Quote Originally Posted by iopq
oh god you're 24/11 over 16K hands
I know people talk crap about starting hand charts, but using one for you is more EV+ than doing what you do now
Easy now, mind your I's and O's and P's and Q's here.

I watched him play last night and we talked about opening ranges a good bit. And at least 4-5% of that 24 comes from all the limping EVERYONE ELSE does in his games. Jeez, I haven't ever seen so many 5-way limped pots in FR, much less 6m. You're sitting in the BB ready to fold total crap, but no one will raise you off it. The flop gives you a nice combo hand. Of course you're gonna bet it.

We also knocked another 4-5% off the limping and flatting ranges, discussing where to raise and where to fold. He's getting it, and he started fixing it before I watched him. Most of the passive preflop stuff is from the first 12k hands, imo. I would think more recent search parameters would look different.

I will also point that before the cheating scandals and merge, I played on UB and Absolute which, though owned by the same company, hadn't merged their player bases, yet. UB was agro, Absolute was passive. That was just the "group think" the two different herds of donkeys shared amongst themselves and passed on to newly birthed donkeys who joined up. I was playing the same way preflop on both sites (I didn't know any other way, and couldn't even spell the word adjustment), and my stats were strikingly different. I ran like 16/13 on UB and 20/12 on Absolute over 25k hands on both sites.