Quote Originally Posted by Ripptyde
Quote Originally Posted by dsaxton
It's pretty simple-minded to think you can just "take it down" whenever you flop anything.
simple minded ?????

please explain to me how it is 'simple minded' to bet the low end of the flop. He is betting high....you are betting low...I call raises with suited low cards on occasion with precisely that expectation...that the raiser is on high unpaired cards such as K/10, K/J, A/J, Q/J, Q/10, A/K etc

please explain to me how it is 'simple minded' to take it down when I am holding 4/5s and the flop is 4/9/6.....I am betting my opponent missed the flop entirely and will fold his cards rather than chase his overcards. Firing out a pot sized bet on a flop like this is successful 80% of the time when my opponent missed.

before you make insulting comments like this...I suggest you open your own eyes to the concept here and realize that not all players just camp out on premium hands.

Then again I had that mindset when I was a noob too....so I can understand where you are coming from
Um, I never said it is simple-minded to bet a small pair on the flop. I said it is simple-minded to think that just because you flopped something that you can just will to pot into your stack. That is what is simple-minded. Please read and understand the actual post before responding to it. If he bets, how do you just "take it down?" If he calls your bet, how are you just "taking it down?"

Many players will bet the pot no matter what flops with overcards, and now suddenly you're faced with a situation where you have to decide whether or not your monster pair of 4's is actually good. Why even put yourself in this situation?

Besides, you will miss the flop just as frequently as your opponent, and even in the circumstance where the flop does help you, your opponent will still have you crushed a percentage of the time (and even if he doesn't, he can fake it pretty easily). So, how is it profitable to play these junk hands for value?

I realize that this is part of the whole "super aggressive" style that you pride yourself in, but that doesn't mean it makes much sense.

Maybe if you weren't so full of yourself you wouldn't be insulted by a harmless observation about something you said.