help with QQ overpair

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed)

BB ($3.40)
UTG ($5.87)
MP ($5.52)
Hero ($7.40)
Button ($2.43)
SB ($2.62)

Preflop: Hero is CO with
1 fold, MP raises to $0.1, Hero calls $0.10, 1 fold, SB calls $0.08, 1 fold.


Flop: ($0.35) (3 players)
SB bets $0.25, MP calls $0.25, Hero raises to $0.75, SB calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50.

Turn: ($2.60) (3 players)
SB bets $1.77 (All-In), MP calls $1.77, Hero calls $1.77.

River: ($7.91) (3 players, 1 all-in)
MP bets $2.9 (All-In), Hero calls $2.90.

Final Pot: $13.71

I'm not sure about this hand. Looking back, I guess I should have re-raised the min-raise pre-flop. On the flop, I was pretty sure SB was on the jack, but I didn't have a real read on MP. I didn't think either of them flopped the straight though, and didn't think of the implications of the Queen on the river.

After the flop, should I have been more aggressive (with the scary straight?) or considered folding?

Originally Posted by bobdor

Looking back, I guess I should have re-raised the min-raise pre-flop.

3bet PF as you mentioned, is definitely a good idea. I might be wrong in my thinking, and if I am somebody correct me, but with that flop and the number of draws that it presents, I think I just call behind and hope for a cheap showdown. I've found that at the micros a push usually means they either have something or absolute air. So with the SB push on the turn I think I give it up here. As played, on the river I would tell myself to give it up but unfortunately I would probably call.

I've been playing for about three months, keep that in mind when you read this, heh.

I probably would have reraised the minraise to about 6xBB. After you reraised post-flop and got two callers, I'd watch out. It's fair to assume that one of them has an open-ender. The SB may have even flopped a straight, and went all in when he saw the turn didn't complete a flush. When your Queen came on the river, that's not a good thing -- it gives you trips, but any Ten beats you. You're getting 3:1 to call, but you know you're almost certainly beaten.

I guess you've just got to go off of you past hands with this player. All you're holding is a bluff-catcher. Given what you know of these players, would they both go all in with something that doesn't beat trips? When there is a clear straight on the board? I would tend to think that one of them has got it, and I would begrudgingly toss my trips and cut my losses. No sense throwing good money after bad. It sucks, but you've gotta do it sometimes.

shove the turn. mp most likely doesn't have a made hand yet, but looks like he's ready to pay a lot to get there.

yeah i like shoving the turn and making drawing hands pay as much as possible which they love to do.

Yeah, I think shoving the turn would have been the best, and I should have folded on the river as played. Three-way pots are tricky I guess I just need to remember not to try to get fancy and stay aggressive, since I probably could have won/been+ev 3betting PF or shoving on the turn. I think the table had me frustrated because they weren't calling ANYTHING from me. I'll have to watch for that happening in the future also.

Well, betting the river might depend on the actual river card, can't it? If it is scary, check. If blank, bet.

By the way, SB had AJ and MP had 8To.

I can't believe MP called SB's all-in with an open ender.

I would've raised to 20 or 24 preflop, a minbet from MP hardly let's us know what kind of card range he could be in

on the turn you should've shoved or folded depending on whether you think SB is weak or strong, on the river I would've guessed someone had a straight and since two players went all-in on a straight board I'd assume one of them had a straight

and we're playing at micro stakes right now, there are a lot of players who don't know the value of hands, odds on draws and do some stuff compleely out of this world and we should look to exploit these easy fish

Originally Posted by xptboy

on the turn you should've shoved or folded depending on whether you think SB is weak or strong, on the river I would've guessed someone had a straight and since two players went all-in on a straight board I'd assume one of them had a straight

folding isn't an option on the turn really. sb is a 1/2 stack and you usually can't fold strong overpairs to 1/2 stacks. i think shoving is like the only thing you can do here really.

3bet preflop
cant let those speculative hands in cheap, or low aces/kings.
Your QQ is a good hand, but if a K or A comes on the flop, ur bad, so u cant let ppl in to see the flop cheap, especially multiway

As played, shove turn

Originally Posted by martindcx1e

Originally Posted by xptboy

on the turn you should've shoved or folded depending on whether you think SB is weak or strong, on the river I would've guessed someone had a straight and since two players went all-in on a straight board I'd assume one of them had a straight

folding isn't an option on the turn really. sb is a 1/2 stack and you usually can't fold strong overpairs to 1/2 stacks. i think shoving is like the only thing you can do here really.

ur right, I forgot what the stack sizes were
EDIT: well obviously there's exceptions to every situation but this isn't one of them

Originally Posted by DocRazor

Originally Posted by bobdor

Looking back, I guess I should have re-raised the min-raise pre-flop.

3bet PF as you mentioned, is definitely a good idea. I might be wrong in my thinking, and if I am somebody correct me, but with that flop and the number of draws that it presents, I think I just call behind and hope for a cheap showdown. I've found that at the micros a push usually means they either have something or absolute air. So with the SB push on the turn I think I give it up here. As played, on the river I would tell myself to give it up but unfortunately I would probably call.

This is wrong thinking. Hero has a 3 outs to the 2nd nut straight, and 2 outs for the set, both of which almost surely win at showdown. Hero has a combo hand that is very likely to be ahead right now and pretty likely to improve before the hand is over. We've gotta bet the flop, and follow up with another bet on the turn, maybe fade the river if we haven't improved and think the draws came in.