Could I have gotten away from this?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($54.80)
BB ($50)
UTG ($107.50)
UTG+1 ($29.25)
MP1 ($58.55)
MP2 ($61.55)
CO ($35.80)
Hero (Button) ($90.45)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A
5 folds, Hero raises to $2, SB raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero raises to $16, SB calls $10

Flop: ($32.50) K, 10, 7 (2 players)
SB bets $38.80 (All-In), Hero calls $38.80

Turn: ($110.10) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($110.10) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $110.10 | Rake: $3

id fold

Spoon, Spoon, Spoon. You know better than to post hands without giving us all of the information.

2. Give any stats or reads on the opponents in question. This includes any table image you may have as well. So many decisions in poker come down to our opponents' tendencies and what our opponents think of us at any given time, so if you don't post this information, you will rarely get good replies since it's often too difficult to determine what the best course of action is if you're only given the hand history and nothing else. As a result of posting stats and reads, you will get better replies, which will increase the benefit you receive from posting hands.

3. Don't show the results of the hand. This includes whatever action you took during the decision you're asking about. For example, instead of setting up a question like "Should I have called on the river here?" you should edit out your decision on that street and the result of the hand and ask something like "Is a call +EV here, or should I just fold?" If you post results, you skew the replies you get and the type of advice you can get in the hand, which will severely lower the potential for growth you have in posting any single particular hand.


Seriously though, I can't see a scenario where this is anything but a snap call. You are getting just under 2 to 1 and have 41% equity if his range is as tight at KK,TT,77,AKs,AKo.

The only way this is a fold is if you can take AKo out of the above range as then your equity drops to just under 18%

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

id fold

how? wouldn't KK be all-in preflop? at least some/half the time?

seems to me his range includes enough QQ, AK(s) and draws that Hero's at least break-even EV to call.

but both of y'all are MUCH better at this game than me - so wtf do i know? but i'm never gettin' away from this.

nh spoon (thread)

Fold preflop....

Youll have no idea where your at if the flop contains a K, Q, or a J.

Wait, spoon, is this one of those bass-ackwards posts where the question intentionally misdirects the responders? Just to see if we're awake?

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($54.80)
BB ($50)
UTG ($107.50)
UTG+1 ($29.25)
MP1 ($58.55)
MP2 ($61.55)
CO ($35.80)
Hero (Button) ($90.45)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A
5 folds, Hero raises to $2, SB raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero raises to $16, SB calls $10

Flop: ($32.50) K, 10, 7 (2 players)
SB bets $38.80 (All-In), Hero calls $38.80

Turn: ($110.10) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($110.10) J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $110.10 | Rake: $3

Spoon, you offer a lot of insight on your posts, so I'm going to take this and see what I can do with it..

Pre-flop you are on the button and raise to 4xBB with no limpers ahead, standard raise here, but it looks like a steal if you have been stealing, if table is tight though this is an easy lay down for SB/BB... SB re-raises you, which could be a protecting his blind move or could be a legitimate hand... if you are reading him as tight this could indicate a very strong hand also... if he is standard player, could be a pretty wide range just defending against the steal...

Next you re-raise him... you totally have him covered... yet he flat calls... that re-raise by you has to worry him, IMO if I am SB it indicates to me you aren't screwing around, and I put you on pretty damn good cards, JJ+, AK and such. That is knowing a little about you, if my read on you is you are a loose cannon... that range opens up a bit more...

So he is comfortable playing against your tight range and flats it... but he's in trouble... he doesn't have enough behind to do much other than AI post-flop... he might have been better just getting it in pre-flop. I think if he shoved pre-flop to your re-raise you are looking at him holding KK or AA... thus the flat call leads me to his either slowplaying (maybe 20% of the time) vs his having TT+... so I think you are ahead of him pre-flop... the flop cards could have hit him four ways... or misssed him completely. He is either set up... or he is drawing for the diamond flush (with AdQd IMO) or there is the slim possibility he is sitting with QJ, though I think that is really remote.

He has seen your aggression and knows that you aren't laying down to any 1/2 or 2/3 pot bet... so his only option is fold or shove. He shoves... I think you are ahead here maybe 50% of the time... that isn't scientific, that is just a feeling... again without reads...

I think you have no choice but call... the turn isn't helpful... may have given him the boat, but what can you do?

Am I at least close here spoon or am I not getting any of this stuff down?

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Could I have gotten away from this?

No

How can we even think of laying this down?

it depends

Originally Posted by killerkebab

How can we even think of laying this down?

I don't know if I can actually DO it, but based on my readings, if you have a solid read on the player that he only calls this type of re-raise with AA or KK, the insta shove by him on the flop would almost indicate that he hit the set of kings.

In that case, if you are sure he hit the set, you have to fold. Am I right Spoon?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edaJP3Lp0Gg

Never gonna give you up...
Never gonna lay you down...

Fnord.... Rick rolling the thread with the best response EVER.

Niiiiiice

Originally Posted by Monty3038

but based on my readings, if you have a solid read on the player that he only calls this type of re-raise with AA or KK,

If this was the case then this player would be broke from me 3 betting him into oblivion. If he's only calling 2/221 hands that are 3 bet into him

Originally Posted by GatorJH

Fnord.... Rick rolling the thread with the best response EVER.

Niiiiiice

this^^^

surely a sensible villain should nearly never have AK here?

I always pay em off. its my biggest leak.

Originally Posted by MuddyWicket

its my biggest leak.

If this is your biggest leak, then you must be destroying $5/$10.

your not inducing misclicks this way spoon...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxMuUnAEAdA

hi level

There are a few people who obviously get the point of this post, and then there are a few who don't but I appreciate everyone who took it seriously.

The point is that I'm tired of seeing threads like these where people have a good overpair with a low SPR and somehow have questions about the hand:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...er-t77676.html
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...op-t77538.html
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...fr-t77340.html
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...fr-t77344.html
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...rn-t76732.html

lol. 5/10 cents more like! obviously only to work on my game... btw its a fknhugeleakatm.

how likely would you have AK here preflop? surely you would have shoved it more often than not? (other than against a right tighty) I want to see all the cards, not just three.

QQ is an ijit if hes shoving against spoon 4bets here.

Originally Posted by MuddyWicket

lol. 5/10 cents more like! obviously only to work on my game... btw its a fknhugeleakatm.

how likely would you have AK here preflop? surely you would have shoved it more often than not? (other than against a right tighty) I want to see all the cards, not just three.

QQ is an ijit if hes shoving against spoon 4bets here.

If I recall correctly, my range after I 4-bet preflop here is something like QQ+, AK, AQs-A2s against this particular Villain.

Originally Posted by Robb

Wait, spoon, is this one of those bass-ackwards posts where the question intentionally misdirects the responders? Just to see if we're awake?

^^^this

BTW, you linked a thread of mine: we're #1!!, we're #1!!

No one really answered/discussed the main question I asked - which wasn't about that specific hand.

leave preflop ! you almoust have 200bbs at the table

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

The point is that I'm tired of seeing threads like these where people have a good overpair with a low SPR and somehow have questions about the hand:

Yeah it's so irritating when n00bs aren't as confident in their game as someone who's played for 4 years and have to ask questions when their aces get cracked. Gawd!

god do you really 4x it otb?

so gross

Originally Posted by fat-b

leave preflop ! you almoust have 200bbs at the table

Bwahahaha. Moar monies to lose faster amirite?

Obv its a never fold but youve said it already but Baaards post was too good to pass.

Originally Posted by d0zer

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Yeah it's so irritating when n00bs aren't as confident in their game as someone who's played for 4 years and have to ask questions when their aces get cracked. Gawd!

Oh no you di-int.

this is why you'll never be mod of the BC, even Courtiee knows you cannot fold here!

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

this is why you'll never be mod of the BC, even Courtiee knows you cannot fold here!

Are you sure?

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...highlight=fold

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

god do you really 4x it otb?

so gross

This is mostly a matter of fashion.

yea, gross fashion

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

god do you really 4x it otb?

so gross

Why is it gross?

cuz it like immediately brings down an ev of a steal by a decent %

Originally Posted by GatorJH

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

this is why you'll never be mod of the BC, even Courtiee knows you cannot fold here!

Are you sure?

http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...highlight=fold

man, this thread will never die!

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

cuz it like immediately brings down an ev of a steal by a decent %

Is 3.5x a good number to steal with?

if it's two nits in the blinds I go like 2.5-3

I played like 200 hands of 50nl FR today and just opened 3x everywhere but SB and UTG-UTG+2

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

if it's two nits in the blinds I go like 2.5-3

I played like 200 hands of 50nl FR today and just opened 3x everywhere but SB and UTG-UTG+2

3bet for me just don't work cats call with ease but to answer the real question is I snap call with pocket rockets here only thing u had to worry about is the flush draw or pocket kings but if he had kings he would have shoved pre flop

3bet means re-raise FYI
like you raise and I 3bet

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

if it's two nits in the blinds I go like 2.5-3

I played like 200 hands of 50nl FR today and just opened 3x everywhere but SB and UTG-UTG+2

Seems like a style thing. From what I've noticed, most people do 4x everywhere. Fwiw, I used to do 3, but then I tried 4 & realized how much better I liked that.

I vary my bet sizing depending on the blinds
some blinds I can take down with a minraise, some I have to bet 3.5x

especially if the blinds are shortstacks that either 3bshove or fold
also, I haven't seen this, but if someone 3bets me light I guess I'd raise slightly less to offset the fact that I'm not even seeing flops against that villain

I think his range is a lot of AdQd here. You need to get a feel for the cards that will come and adjust your game accordingly.
You should brush up on ESP and numerology.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

cuz it like immediately brings down an ev of a steal by a decent %

Can you elaborate? Because from my experience players almost never 3-bet light at 50NL, call way too much OOP, and play really bad post-flop. With all that in mind, I'd think your better off raising even more rather than less preflop. Or are you speaking about FR specifically?

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

cuz it like immediately brings down an ev of a steal by a decent %

Can you elaborate? Because from my experience players almost never 3-bet light at 50NL, call way too much OOP, and play really bad post-flop. With all that in mind, I'd think your better off raising even more rather than less preflop. Or are you speaking about FR specifically?

Well this was a FullRing spot, however, I open like 3x OTB at FR and 6max and sometimes minraise or 2.5x it.

There's nothing wrong with forcing nits to play more pots OOP either.

"Fold preflop....

Youll have no idea where your at if the flop contains a K, Q, or a J."


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