Quote Originally Posted by Pascal View Post
Think you can apply this to the

You can apply this to raising the flop, villains aren't going to fold high diamonds often, especially not with overcards. Once you raise flop gutshots are going to be a very small part of villains range, I'd only be scared of diamonds.

I like leading against aggressive villains who are more likely to raise than peel draws but the reads given don't suggest any villains like this
yes except there isn't a price you can raise to with these stack sizes that effective as you would put it 'charge them to draw' without shoving. to borrow your sizing again 50 into 35 gives them odds to call with a solid diamond in their hand. 60c is better but still is only a very small mistake for them to call and then they have a +EV call on the turn when you jam even if they don't spike. so is it clear why raising is f horrible yet?

also to your point of maximizing every street. this is horribly wrong the goal is to maximize for the overall hand and you will make horrible choices if you go for street by street maximization.

if you aren't leading here on the flop then you have massive massive fundamental leaks. and thought process leaks.