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05-01-2009, 02:36 PM
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, terrorising the micros
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today i became a pro poker player.
I abandoned a super-secure role in a career that i am good at but am uncertain about dedicating myself to. Twelve months ago I started working part-time. In part, this was to allow time to improve at poker and prove that i could earn some $$ playing this crazy game of cards.
If you care about how that twelve months went then click here .
One week from now I head to europe, escaping a southern autumn for a northern spring and summer. I will climb, juggle, and occasionally play poker. Late '09 i will head back to New Zealand and take poker a little more seriously.
I know i can grind 0.5-1.5ptBB/100 playing a lot of tables up to 200nl. This plus rakeback/bonuses is an easy $3-$5k per month.
But...
I don't want to be a long-term small stakes grinder. What's the point in being only a journeyman? I want to try for more.
I need some goals.
I have some.
I want to be proficient in full ring, short handed, and SnG/MTT unlimited holdem play.
I will work on this.
I will play full tilt FR with a starting roll of $2k, probably kicking off at 100nl for a while longer.
I will play party short-handed with a starting roll of $1.2k, initially 25nl, but moving up aggressively.
I will play stars SnGs and MTTs when i feel like it (need to open a stars account first tho!)
goals:
An understanding of poker - i guess $ are the best measure of this, so....
100k in poker earnings by May 1st 2010 - wonder if the party WSOP promo will help here 
cool. Tomorrow i play my first hands as a pro...
watch this space.
if you're interested in how I turned $200 into $1000
here, or $1000 into $4000 here
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Pig_Vomit
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Straight
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gl sir
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Lucothefish
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Full House
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seconded
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<@d0zer> how will you learn if I don't berate you harshly?
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HarleyGuy13
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Full House
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The best of luck to you Sir! Will be stopping in to check up on you.
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"You start the game with a full pot o luck and an empty pot o experience...
The object is to fill the pot of experience before you empty the pot of luck."
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Originally Posted by XxStacksxX
Do you have testicles? If so, learn to bet like it 
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bikes
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a hot damn mess
Administrator
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HELLS F YEAH. Good luck dude!
Never be satisfied.
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Parkour to you!
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scotladd
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Join Date: Apr 2009
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Good luck man, one day I hope to join you /watching this thread
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Outlaw
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Full House
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GL man, remember its not a job.. its an adventure.
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Robb
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4-of-a-Kind
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Enjoy the ride
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Deanglow
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Moderator
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tldr
just kidding. Good luck and work hard imo
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d0zer
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You can dooo eeeet man! I may have barely beat you to 5k, but it appears you beat me at escaping dayjobs... well done sir, I'm kinda jealous 
Good luck at keeping the discipline up, and then of course
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holy shit
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Parasurama
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Full House
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Awesome daven do it!!
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Jack Sawyer
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4-of-a-Kind
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gogogogogogogogo
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My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

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dranger7070
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by Jack Sawyer
gogogogogogogogo
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HOLY TITS
and also, good luck daven! Stick it to the man, and all that
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daven
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
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turns out i quite enjoy 6-max. Only playing 8-tables too, so relaxing times.
How it started - I opened up my party account and there was a $22 token thing available, plus about $15. I played a $22 tourney and cashed for $60. There is also a $150 no deposit bonus that I'm grinding through. Moved another $490 over there and started to learn short-handed poker. I've decided to move quickly until $50nl, but grind a little rather than simply start with the $1.2k deposit. This seems worthwhile, cos my short-handed game is far from watertight, so why not learn for cheap?
5nl - tick after one session
10nl - tick after one session
25nl - I had to play a little better. Running fine now after 2k hands (was spew <> thin value, down $100 after 1k!). Will move up at party roll $900 - i expect i'll grind out 6 more buyins around as fast as the $150 clears, so hopefully i'll be there early next week.
I'll probably post some 25nl hands in the beginners circle - they may prove a little controversial?
Will have a Full Ring session this evening, and look into the various easy-rake-race free money opportunities floating around this month (things like rake $5 to win $100 seem to exist).
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courtiebee
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WELP
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good luck daven, it will be interesting to follow this thread over the next year.
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http://donkeybrains.wordpress.com/
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Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.
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kmind
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Not Giving In
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Good luck dude!
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Robb
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2007
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Originally Posted by daven
I'll probably post some 25nl hands in the beginners circle - they may prove a little controversial?
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Even I never stack off in the BC
I get a bit tired with people making up ranges in the BC that are likely wrong. It seems like some folks have a line they want to defend, so they make up a range that would make their preferred line correct, rather than taking reads, estimating ranges, guessing at the reasonable actions for the various portions of the range, and then taking appropriate action.
I think some controversial hands in the BC would be good.
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daven
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, terrorising the micros
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enjoying the no-work-bum-lifestyle again!
poker is fine and fun. I haven't played much, <15k hands so far but that's cool. Playing the occasional 6-max session seems to do great things for my full ring game, i'm not sure i can define exactly what it is that I am learning, but I like it.
Something about picking spots, some realisations about aggression, range by position, dunno.
Up just under $1k for the week including rakeback. Got enough ironman medals to buy a $600 bonus then a $100 bonus, but I think I'll wait until I'm hungry before I dip into that.
a couple of fun hands.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($153.80)
Hero (Button) ($100)
SB ($15.65)
BB ($101.10)
UTG ($375.55)
UTG+1 ($138.85)
MP1 ($254.95)
MP2 ($94)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 6 , A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, 3 folds, Hero calls $1, SB calls $0.50, BB checks
Flop: ($4) 8 , 3 , J (4 players)
SB bets $2, 1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $8, Hero calls $8, SB calls $6
Turn: ($28) Q (3 players)
SB bets $6.65 (All-In), UTG+1 raises to $31, Hero raises to $91 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $60
River: ($216.65) 7 (3 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $216.65 | Rake: $3
Results:
Hero had 6 , A (flush, Ace high).
SB had 9 , 10 (straight, Queen high).
UTG+1 had Q , 9 (flush, Queen high).
Outcome: Hero won $213.65
and 6-max, where i play my 66 badly and villain plays AA even worse 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($29.33)
SB ($14.35)
MP ($26.19)
BB ($25)
Hero (UTG) ($48.98)
Button ($29.59)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6 , 6
Hero calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, 2 folds, SB calls $0.15, BB checks
Flop: ($1) 6 , 10 , 6 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP raises to $25.94 (All-In), 2 folds, Hero calls $25.94
Turn: ($52.88) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($52.88) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $52.88
Results:
Hero had 6 , 6 (four of a kind, sixes).
MP didn't show
Outcome: Hero won $50.24
there is something to be said for quality, not quantity...
1 week and low volume with decent winrate >>> breakeven high volume
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daven
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, terrorising the micros
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1 - 19-16 is too lag for me playing full ring
2 - don't call when i'm obviously beat
3 - if i decide to bet-fold, then fold to the raise!
4 - concentrate
5 - ???????/
6 - profit
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Lucothefish
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Full House
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I need to work on point #5 myself. GL Daven
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<@d0zer> how will you learn if I don't berate you harshly?
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XTR1000
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2006
Location: surfing in a room
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Yay yay yo!
Good luck man, hope everything goes well. Whats your first destination in europe and for how long will you be traveling around the old world?
Im leaving Germany on June 5th and come back around August 1st, be 3 weeks in the hills in the north and then leave again for two or three weeks in Portes Du Soleil in France. Would be awesome to have a beer together, if not enjoy your time over here.
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Originally Posted by bigred
xtr stand for exotic tranny retards
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daven
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, terrorising the micros
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weeeeeeee reg-wars
vs tule git
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($77.05)
Button ($110.15)
SB ($124.80)
BB ($100)
UTG ($17.50)
UTG+1 ($103.55)
Hero (MP1) ($108.60)
MP2 ($97.50)
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 10 , 10
2 folds, Hero bets $3.50, MP2 calls $3.50, 2 folds, SB raises to $15, 1 fold, Hero raises to $33, 1 fold, SB calls $18
Flop: ($70.50) Q , J , 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $36,
vs a weak type
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (7 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($106.40)
UTG ($66)
MP1 ($110.35)
Hero (MP2) ($109.10)
CO ($106.50)
Button ($86.50)
SB ($100)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 6 , 6
1 fold, MP1 bets $3, Hero calls $3, 4 folds
Flop: ($7.50) 9 , 2 , 4 (2 players)
MP1 bets $6.50, Hero calls $6.50
Turn: ($20.50) Q (2 players)
MP1 bets $15.50, Hero raises to $31, MP1 calls $15.50
River: ($82.50) A (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $68.60 (All-In),
vs a laggy spewy reg
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP1 ($130.95)
MP2 ($50.85)
CO ($115.10)
Hero (Button) ($100)
SB ($99)
BB ($195.50)
UTG ($102.20)
UTG+1 ($101.50)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 3 , 3
2 folds, MP1 bets $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $3, 2 folds
Flop: ($7.50) 8 , 2 , 3 (2 players)
MP1 bets $5, Hero calls $5
Turn: ($17.50) 6 (2 players)
MP1 bets $11, Hero raises to $28, MP1 raises to $122.95 (All-In), Hero calls $64 (All-In)
vs a fish i have huge equity vs range ?
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (3 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (SB) ($140.65)
BB ($157.40)
Button ($158.90)
Preflop: Hero is SB with K , K
Button bets $3, Hero raises to $10, 1 fold, Button calls $7
Flop: ($21) 7 , 8 , 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $21, Button calls $21
Turn: ($63) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $109.65 (All-In), Button calls $109.65
vs one of the 3 best regs. We have huge history - i saw him sitting alone with a big stack and couldn't resist loading up the table 
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (2 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (SB) ($100)
Button ($344.50)
Preflop: Hero is SB with 8 , 9
Button calls $0.50, Hero bets $4, Button calls $3
Flop: ($8) 4 , 2 , J (2 players)
Hero bets $5, Button raises to $12, Hero raises to $26, Button calls $14
Turn: ($60) A (2 players)
Hero bets $70 (All-In),
yeah, yeah. vs a reg-fish with a win-rate like mine
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($104.40)
MP ($100)
CO ($73.75)
Button ($47.95)
SB ($106.30)
Hero (BB) ($172.95)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K , A
UTG bets $3, 1 fold, CO calls $3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $12.50, UTG calls $9.50, CO calls $9.50
Flop: ($38) 7 , 2 , 9 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $26, 1 fold, Hero raises to $52, UTG raises to $91.90 (All-In), Hero calls $39.90
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after someone squeezes the pot is too big to 4b a normal amount I just shove and take my chances
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Da GOAT
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Feb 2006
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dang I gotta say pretty much every hand is so so badly played by hero. I'm on my ipod now but will comment later when I'm home if u want.
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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XTR1000
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2006
Location: surfing in a room
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TT - Fold or call imo, depending on MP2´s likelihood to overcall. C/f flop and most turns.
66 - I do this sometimes and usually get berated for it, just c/f turn. Sizing on turn sucks and I dont think he folds a lot of rivers.
33- See why minraising the 66 wasn´t awesome? Otherwise it looks standard, I wonder if hero can flat the turn on such a dry board vs a perceived wide/weak range.
KK - Whatever type of fish he is, I think you dont do very well vs a range that calls off a massive overshove on a this board. A mirrion of decent draws/pr+draw/2pr/sets. B/f turn 38ish
89 - Pure spew. Idk how someone limping the btn hu can be considered "good" only a few hands into the match. Your hand does prob well if u check pre. Your hand does well enough to take a cheap flop, raising just puts u in awkward spots like this. Fwiw Im raising button-limpers extremely polarized, save ur zero equity hands to steal his limp, dont waste decent middling hands on a preflop raise. You have to fold the flop to his raise and by shoveling turn u rep very few hands and a lot of bs that gets snapped off light.
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Originally Posted by bigred
xtr stand for exotic tranny retards
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oskar
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2008
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I don't really get any of those. Your bluffs represent bluffs basically.
The TT hand I would just fold... I don't really expect a squeeze from the SB unless proven otherwise.
The flop bet makes head esplode... no idea what you're trying to do.
Did you just turn KK into a bluff?
89
If they're VERY weak then you could raise, but I still think you're better off not putting too much money in, HU oop.
Flop play makes head esplode.
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bjsaust
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Straight Flush
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Ballarat, Australia
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There seems to be a lot of bluffing with no equity going on there.
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Just playing to improve.
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daven
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, terrorising the micros
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Thanks to everyone for the hands comments!
you're all right, i posted the hands to remind myself that I sometimes deserve to lose $$....
my brief analysis.
hand 1 - i don't hate the 4-bet because of history. But calling or folding pre is probably better. The flop was a standard c-bet but after his call pre-flop = spew
hand 2 - i call for set reasons pre. So i can fold the turn. Awful.
hand 3 - standard. Calling the set on this flop is fine, but raising is probably better. Happy to get it in on the turn.
hand 4 - ugly, bet-fold turn way better. I had some sort of idea that he had a flush draw or overpair as most of his range. Shame he hit his happy card on the river...
hand 5 - i should have said 'one of the best FR regs', i don't rate him heads up. Check pre. Fold to the flop raise. etc.
hand 6 - i'm doing my best to rep the ace of clubs drawing to the flush. Oh well, i got it in on the flop with the nut flush vs a set = pretty standard. Leading flop is obviously better here though.
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kmind
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Not Giving In
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Basically what XTR said:
1. Call or fold pre, 4betting isn't too bad I guess but once he calls wtf. I'd check back the flop and try to get to showdown.
2. C/f flop. What you're doing is raising with 100% of your range and that is usually bad. Pick better spots/hands.
3. Interested in hearing about a c/c c/c c/r line. Your line just screams set.
4. Blah sucky spot. I guess c/f turn. EDIT. Yeah b/f small like XTR said.
5. Weird. Hard for either to rep. much. Tbh I'd probably spew and play like this but I think we should fold to the flop c/r but I'd definitely call light in that spot or 3bet with some sort of equity a lot.
6. Gross notes on villain in hand 6. You're better than him. His play is gross. Yours isn't the best , but blah to him. Definitely lead the flop.
Gl.
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daven
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, terrorising the micros
Posts: 5,502
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6-max is helping me open up my FR game.
A while ago i posted about the importance of fish to my bankroll, but until this month I didn't think much more about how to adjust my game to maximise $$. I've thought about that a lot recently. I'm getting somewhere.
Incidentally, I've often tried to become more of a FR LAG - without really understanding what that meant. It usually resulted in me widening all sorts of pre-flop ranges inappropriately and then getting lost with weak holdings post-flop.
So, some work i've been doing recently that seems to be resulting in changes to my game:
Isolating the right players.
Identifying strong lines from fish and folding.
Maximising value lines
Stealing at the right time, pre- and post-flop.
Playing in position more and more.
Understanding what is possible out-of-position, and what isn't.
Recognising the conditions that allow my unimproved low pocket pair to take down a pot without hitting a set = opponent dependent solid (especially 1k+ hands) reads, position, board texture and what line(s) will credibly rep a set, etc.
I've been a 100nl FR reg for ages. I have a lot of hands logged. I have received many $$$ from rakeback and promotions - another $500-ish coming in july as some iron-man mid-year bonus. I have >20k hands of history against several of the regs. That means that any big changes i make to my game will not be apparent in their HUD for about forever. I am not being dominated by any reg. There are one or two regs that i don't like having to my left, and will leave a table unless table conditions are otherwise great
I'm posting 5 hands here, with results. The last two are just fun bad-beats, the first are successful value hands - any comments on lines welcome!
hand 1 - villain is mostly straight-forward, except has a very low fold to c-bet . He is raising sets or flushes on the flop. His range is overpairs and flush draws. My image at this table is kinda manic - 10% 3-bet and 21-18 over 200 hands. I've been showing down strong, but mostly winning pots without showdown.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (7 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB ($105.80)
UTG ($59.85)
MP1 ($100)
MP2 ($56)
Hero (CO) ($172.25)
Button ($98)
SB ($184.40)
Preflop: Hero is CO with A , A
3 folds, Hero bets $3.50, Button calls $3.50, 2 folds
Flop: ($8.50) 4 , 6 , 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, Button calls $8
Turn: ($24.50) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $23, Button calls $23
River: ($70.50) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $70.50, Button calls $63.50 (All-In)
Total pot: $197.50 | Rake: $3
Results in white below:
Button had 7 , 7 (two pair, sevens and sixes).
Hero had A , A (two pair, Aces and sixes).
Outcome: Hero won $194.50
hand 2 - villain is 68-5 over 55 hands. Very low fold to c-bet suggests calling any piece. If he has a 7 then i'm pretty sure he's betting the turn, so i bet hard for value cos I'm not convinced he's calling 3 streets. River standard value, but maybe check behind. I'm interested in thoughts on turn and river particularly.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($145.50)
SB ($100)
BB ($102.10)
UTG ($108.10)
UTG+1 ($50.15)
MP1 ($101.35)
MP2 ($44.15)
Hero (MP3) ($127.40)
CO ($17)
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 10 , 10
4 folds, Hero bets $3.50, 3 folds, BB calls $2.50
Flop: ($7.50) 7 , 5 , 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB calls $6
Turn: ($19.50) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $17, BB calls $17
River: ($53.50) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $27, BB calls $27
Total pot: $107.50 | Rake: $3
Results in white below:
BB had K , 5 (two pair, sevens and fives).
Hero had 10 , 10 (two pair, tens and sevens).
Outcome: Hero won $104.50
hand 3 villain is 42-11 over 50 hands. He folds to c-bets enough to make it worthwhile. My c-bet sizing is awful. Turn is bingo and i'm happy to try to get it in over two more streets. Note his chat!
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP2 ($51.45)
CO ($20)
Button ($106.65)
SB ($19)
BB ($35.55)
UTG ($112.65)
Hero (UTG+1) ($100)
MP1 ($17)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q , A
1 fold, Hero bets $3.50, 1 fold, MP2 calls $3.50, 4 folds
Flop: ($8.50) 3 , 7 , 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $4, MP2 calls $4
Turn: ($16.50) A (2 players)
Hero bets $12, MP2 calls $12
River: ($40.50) 10 (2 players)
Hero bets $40.50,
D4L3G3ND has 15 seconds left to act
D4L3G3ND: u hit the ace noob?
D4L3G3nD calls $31.95 (All-In)
Total pot: $104.40 | Rake: $3
Results in white below:
Hero had Q , A (one pair, Aces).
MP2 had 9 , 10 (one pair, tens).
Outcome: Hero won $101.40
and now for the slansky bucks:
I should get the Ad more often
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
MP3 ($20.20)
CO ($100)
Button ($17)
SB ($20)
Hero (BB) ($124.25)
UTG ($97)
UTG+1 ($100)
MP1 ($100)
MP2 ($100)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A , A
2 folds, MP1 bets $3, 5 folds, Hero raises to $9.50, MP1 calls $6.50
Flop: ($19.50) 5 , 8 , 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $11, MP1 raises to $29, Hero raises to $114.75 (All-In), MP1 calls $61.50 (All-In)
Turn: ($200.50) 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($200.50) 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $200.50 | Rake: $3
Results:
Hero had A , A (one pair, Aces).
MP1 had 7 , 8 (straight, nine high).
Outcome: MP1 won $197.50
Then again, Ad doesn't always seem to help that much
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($49)
Button ($43)
SB ($23.15)
BB ($22.20)
Hero (UTG) ($133.50)
UTG+1 ($17.60)
MP1 ($80.05)
MP2 ($20.60)
MP3 ($19)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with A , A
Hero bets $3.50, 1 fold, MP1 raises to $12, 6 folds, Hero raises to $29, MP1 raises to $80.05 (All-In), Hero calls $51.05
Flop: ($161.60) Q , 3 , K (2 players, 1 all-in)
Turn: ($161.60) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)
River: ($161.60) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $161.60 | Rake: $3
Results:
Hero had A , A (one pair, Aces).
MP1 had A , A (flush, Ace high).
Outcome: MP1 won $158.60
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Straight Flush
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Ballarat, Australia
Posts: 5,842
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Hand 1: I'd probably c/c river but I think its pretty close either way. Range of missed draws is probably similar to range of overpairs.
Hand 2: I like everything about this hand, well played.
Hand 3: My first reaction was to bet smaller on river, but with his stack this seems good. If you read his hand from his range then extra bonus points!
Hand 4: I'm kinda close on just calling flop and getting in on blank turns instead.
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Just playing to improve.
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XTR1000
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: May 2006
Location: surfing in a room
Posts: 2,188
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I c/f flop #3 vs almost everyone, moreso vs the high-vpip crowd
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xtr stand for exotic tranny retards
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daven
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, terrorising the micros
Posts: 5,502
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5 more buy-ins behind ev the last 24hrs and somehow the month isn't looking so hot after all. I've made enough in May to cover the next three months rent and living for the month - so it's not all bad. But it's a far cry from balla
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Keith
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Full House
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 1,277
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Where abouts are you in Europe. Based in one place or touring round in a clapped out VW camper van.
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daven
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, terrorising the micros
Posts: 5,502
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Where abouts are you in Europe. Based in one place or touring round in a clapped out VW camper van.
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i'm based in bonn, germany.
No plans for a van tour this time around, other fish to fry 
I will see some of europe though, plans so far include taking a complete break from poker during August and most likely:
- * European Juggling Convention in Vittoria-Gastez, Basque Country, Spain for a week in early July
* Climbing in Fontainbleau and going running with some friends in Paris - ? not sure when exactly?
* Climbing trip to Czech republic for a week with a friend (czech) from back home
* Ten days in early August heading from Copenhagen-Gothenburg-Oslo-Bergen and then back to germany
* maybe some time in late August surfing in south-west france where i know someone who is running a surf-camp
* maybe heading up to the Harz for some bouldering and a beer with XTR then across to berlin for a few days
* whatever else turns up 
* I spent four days cruising around Aachen already = nice to re-visit some people and places
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daven
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, terrorising the micros
Posts: 5,502
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so, my first month as a pro
too many adjustments in too short a time.
Some worked, some obviously didn't.
it's lucky I don't need to save any money while I'm in Europe...

lucky I made about $900 in rakeback, a little bit of money playing micro-6-max on another site, and some bonus on that site too.
Net about +$1350 yuck 
I'm working on too theory posts at the moment, ones that I think will allow for big improvements in my game.
I'll probably post them here first, and then chuck them into the beginner circle for dissection.
1) Small blind play (full ring focus, but...)
2) Fish, isolation, and maximising EV vs dead money
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bjsaust
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Straight Flush
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Ballarat, Australia
Posts: 5,842
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Thats something I think I see a fair bit. People decide they need to rework their game, and they overhaul everything at once. It rarely seems to work well. I think a much better approach is to work changes into your game one at a time, so you still have a degree of comfort.
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Just playing to improve.
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Jack Sawyer
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Old School
Posts: 2,535
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Sooo, how about those german beers? Found any keepers?
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My dream... is to fly... over the rainbow... so high...

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VHS is like a book and a book is like a stack of kindles.
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oskar
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: in ur accounts... confiscating ur funz
Posts: 2,452
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So you're playing on the road? What do you use for mobile internet?
I'll be driving around europe this summer... I'm most likely just going to take a break from poker, but I might consider if I decide to travel some more.
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The strengh of a hero is defined by the weakness of his villains.
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daven
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, terrorising the micros
Posts: 5,502
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Poker the end of last month went badly, and this month is starting out even worse...
Yet again, it is time to put the FR LAG experiment to bed. I.m 18-15 over 10k hands in June and down about $500...
micro-6-max is going well though
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Originally Posted by daven sometime in may
5nl - tick after one session
10nl - tick after one session
25nl - I had to play a little better. Running fine now after 2k hands (was spew <> thin value, down $100 after 1k!). Will move up at party roll $900 - i expect i'll grind out 6 more buyins around as fast as the $150 clears, so hopefully i'll be there early next week.
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well, I will be sampling 50nl in that game sometime this afternoon. Reads are more interesting, and come into play so much more often. Aggression becomes a different game. More hands = more hands against the table fish (plural), etc...
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Sooo, how about those german beers? Found any keepers?
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beer is tasting good - i have found a few that i am already going back to rather than trying something new every time
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So you're playing on the road? What do you use for mobile internet?
I'll be driving around europe this summer... I'm most likely just going to take a break from poker, but I might consider if I decide to travel some more.
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not playing on the road. I.m living in a share-house in bonn and i guess i.ll simply be taking breaks while i-m on the road!
edit June 6:
I'm finally in the black for june! now to make some profits
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daven
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, terrorising the micros
Posts: 5,502
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weeeeeeee
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
UTG ($100)
Hero (UTG+1) ($144.80)
MP1 ($98.50)
MP2 ($57.20)
MP3 ($107.20)
CO ($127.50)
Button ($100)
SB ($111.95)
BB ($100)
Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 7 , 7
UTG bets $3, Hero calls $3, 1 fold, MP2 calls $3, MP3 calls $3, 2 folds, SB calls $2.50, 1 fold
Flop: ($16) 7 , 6 , 4 (5 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $10, Hero raises to $32, MP2 raises to $54.20 (All-In), 1 fold, SB raises to $108.95 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero calls $76.95
Turn: ($298.10) 8 (3 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($298.10) 10 (3 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $298.10 | Rake: $3
Results:
SB had A , 5 (straight, eight high).
Hero had 7 , 7 (three of a kind, sevens).
MP2 had 8 , 9 (straight, ten high).
Outcome: SB won $109.50, MP2 won $185.60
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (SB) ($102.65)
BB ($103.40)
UTG ($63.85)
MP ($52.50)
CO ($81.15)
Button ($117.60)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q , Q
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Button calls $1, Hero bets $5, 1 fold, UTG calls $4, 1 fold
Flop: ($12) 10 , Q , 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks
Turn: ($12) K (2 players)
Hero bets $8, UTG raises to $16, Hero calls $8
River: ($44) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $21, UTG raises to $42.85 (All-In), Hero calls $21.85
Total pot: $129.70 | Rake: $3
Results:
Hero had Q , Q (full house, Queens over sevens).
UTG had K , K (full house, Kings over sevens).
Outcome: UTG won $126.70
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
CO ($129.55)
Button ($42.50)
SB ($226.90)
BB ($162.80)
Hero (UTG) ($209.80)
UTG+1 ($207.55)
MP1 ($50)
MP2 ($132.45)
MP3 ($100)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6 , 6
Hero bets $3.50, 3 folds, MP3 calls $3.50, CO calls $3.50, Button calls $3.50, 2 folds
Flop: ($15.50) A , A , 8 (4 players)
Hero bets $8, 2 folds, Button calls $8
Turn: ($31.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $7, Hero calls $7
River: ($45.50) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $15, Button raises to $24 (All-In), Hero calls $9
Total pot: $93.50 | Rake: $3
Results:
Button had 6 , A (full house, Aces over sixes).
Hero had 6 , 6 (full house, sixes over Aces).
Outcome: Button won $90.50
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daven
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, terrorising the micros
Posts: 5,502
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I've played 13k hands of party 6-max this month, 25nl and 50nl. I've posted stats in the SH forum and welcome any comment or review.
http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/...me-t86117.html
Up just over $600 for the month SH. At the same time I've cleared closing in on $300 in bonus, and accrued enough points to buy another $100 in bonus - so I'm running at about 90% RB equivalent on that site!
6-max is fun. And watching a tiny bankroll grow on a new site is fun too. I was going to move to 100nl 6-max on party once I hit $1500 there. Right now I'm just under $1500 on party and the move seems premature. I'll re-assess at $1800. It's simply that I know my 6-max game is still leak-ridden.
I've played about 20k hands of FR this month. A combination of wanting to run a LAG experiment plus the carry-over of habits that were working in 6-max micros plus calling too much have made it pretty savage. Down $900 for the month at Full Ring running 19-15. Although rakeback makes that a lot less bad than it sounds, and i feel as though i've learnt a lot out of it.
The rest of the month will be about:
1) making some cash playing Full Ring, at least to be breakeven at the tables
2) playing a bunch more 6-max and end up feeling comfortable at 100nl in that game. Will move to 200nl 6-max when my party roll hits 4k, so will likely be a while away
3) grinding smarter...
also, I've scoped out the local casinos. The smallest games going are 5/10 euro, and that's out of my comfort zone. I've told myself that if I make 15k between now and end August then I'll go and take a stab...
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daven
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, terrorising the micros
Posts: 5,502
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The big difference between the average 1-2 grinder and the average 3/6 or 5/10 grinder is definitiely not raw talent or godgiven natural abilities. It is risk tolerance, bankroll management, game selection, tilt control. All very simple things to reign in with a little emotional control. Once in a great while, just due to the large volume of players, you will get some kind of prodigy that will go from the micros to the nosebleeds very quickly, and not by virtue of luck or "positive variance" but a natural understanding of the game. These people are definitely the minority.
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thanks iopq
the month of june. Was down almost $1500 during the first week. Up over $1k now. Hope the home stretch goes well...
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for live you can use 20 BIs because variance is lower
when I played NL300 at a casino I was really nervous at first because I only played as high as NL100 online, but when I started playing it was like wow this is 10NL online
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dev
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: swonging and swonging
Posts: 1,550
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It's not even 10nl online... I'm 20 minutes from a cardroom but I'm just so fucking lazy that I still bother to play online.
tbh tilt factor is bigger in a casino as well. When you take a beat while 6 or 8 tabling you don't care quite as much as you do when you're sitting at a single table in the casino with the college jock doubling through you when he felted AJ pre to beat your kk and said you were coin-flipping.
That said, still ++++EV to play fishier games, and they're at the casino.
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daven
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, terrorising the micros
Posts: 5,502
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about the time of my last post I read something about non-showdown winnings being important at 6-max. Almost 5 sunk buy-ins later i decided that i no longer care about non-showdown winnings. Since then I have value-bet those lost buy-ins back.
So, this means that I'm about to sample 100nl 6-max. It's been a quick climb. Month is going ok too. Rakeback > the table losses for FR, and 6-max plus party promos is another 1k-ish...
edit Thursday - spoke too soon, just ran a shitty session for -$500 at Full Ring. 3 buyins behind ev, and another where the board paired on the river with the pot already $250 and $30 behind... Yuck
It's funny how my game has changed. I tend to play around 18-15 at FR now, and 22-19 short-handed. I like it. Loads of action too, sometimes too much..
One of the goals of this op was to start learning 6-max. I will consider that well underway once I have made my second 6-max thousand.
Another of the goals was to learn some SnG + MTT play. I'll have a day or two of that sometime soon.
100k is still a while away.
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daven
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Straight Flush
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: soaking up ethanol, terrorising the micros
Posts: 5,502
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running
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($157.35)
SB ($19)
BB ($58.95)
UTG ($20)
UTG+1 ($25)
MP1 ($52.50)
MP2 ($21.50)
MP3 ($20)
Hero (CO) ($140.80)
Preflop: Hero is CO with J , K
5 folds, Hero bets $3.50, Button raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.50
Flop: ($13.50) A , 9 , 10 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $7, Hero calls $7
Turn: ($27.50) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $13, Hero raises to $127.80 (All-In), Button calls $114.80
River: ($283.10) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)
Total pot: $283.10 | Rake: $3
Results:
Button had 10 , 10 (full house, tens over nines).
Hero had J , K (straight, Ace high).
Outcome: Button won $280.10
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (4 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Button ($38)
SB ($21.80)
BB ($100)
Hero (UTG) ($101)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q , Q
Hero bets $3.50, 1 fold, SB calls $3, BB raises to $14, Hero raises to $32, SB calls $18.30 (All-In), BB calls $18
Flop: ($85.80) 10 , 9 , 2 (3 players, 1 all-in)
BB checks, Hero bets $69 (All-In), BB calls $68 (All-In)
Turn: ($221.80) 6 (3 players, 3 all-in)
River: ($221.80) K (3 players, 3 all-in)
Total pot: $221.80 | Rake: $2
Results:
SB had Q , A (high card, Ace).
BB had K , 10 (two pair, Kings and tens).
Hero had Q , Q (one pair, Queens).
Outcome: BB won $219.80
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (BB) ($130.60)
UTG ($17.20)
UTG+1 ($49.50)
MP1 ($19.90)
MP2 ($60.25)
MP3 ($20)
CO ($55)
Button ($43)
SB ($26)
Preflop: Hero is BB with A , A
UTG bets $5, 4 folds, CO calls $5, 2 folds, Hero raises to $14, UTG calls $9, CO calls $9
Flop: ($42.50) 5 , 5 , K (3 players)
Hero bets $15, UTG calls $3.20 (All-In), CO raises to $30, Hero raises to $45, CO calls $11 (All-In)
Turn: ($127.70) 6 (3 players, 2 all-in)
River: ($127.70) 6 (3 players, 2 all-in)
Total pot: $127.70 | Rake: $3
Results:
Hero had A , A (two pair, Aces and sixes).
UTG had 8 , J (two pair, sixes and fives).
CO had K , K (full house, Kings over sixes).
Outcome: CO won $124.70
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speedcake
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Flush
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Tampa
Posts: 434
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Seems oddly familiar
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your banner burned here
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dev
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: swonging and swonging
Posts: 1,550
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hand 1, floating flop OOP is pretty questionable.
other hands: my god, is it normal to get that much action on party poker? I really hope they come back to the US.
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