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acgibson
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05-12-2009, 05:01 PM
Post subject: I lost my whole bankroll!!
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ive been playing for a few years..mostly live until recently i started playing online.The reason i started playing online is because playing live i was a losing player. But the good thing i can say is i would go to the dog track and sit at a table and i would make it 8,9 10 sometimes even 12 hours and be up 2-3 times my buyin. but then i would get sucked out on by the "new player" to the table and lose it all.. so i decided to start playing online and focus on building my skills and experience. so anyway to make a long story short..i started a month ago playing on pokerstars with $50. I lost my 50 about 2 days ago but i dont see any flaws in my game. Im sure nobody can be sucked out on that many times so i know i need lots of work. but my question to you guys is how do i post my hand history from pokertracker? as well as my graph? or what do i need to post for you guys to maybe throw me some pointers? Thanks in advance!!
oh also.. my stats from the "general" tab...
Hands=5,672
Hands Won=996(17.5%)
Sessions=200
SessionsWon=85(42.5%)
Hours=56.57
AmountWon=-$32.48
and the other $17 and change i spent on tournaments..either $1 SNG or $1 MTT..
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oskar
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05-12-2009, 05:36 PM
Post subject: Re: I lost my whole bankroll!!
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4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Apr 2008
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Originally Posted by acgibson
but i dont see any flaws in my game.
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Well there's your problem.
Start analyzing your game, post some hands etc.
Also: there is no way you could loose your whole BR in 5k hands using proper BR management, unless you just shove every hand or something like that.
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AFchung
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Full House
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Location: UCLA
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what stakes were you playing at?
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dragntail
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05-12-2009, 07:26 PM
Post subject: Re: I lost my whole bankroll!!
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Join Date: May 2009
Location: UK
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Originally Posted by acgibson
. but my question to you guys is how do i post my hand history from pokertracker? as well as my graph? or what do i need to post for you guys to maybe throw me some pointers? Thanks in advance!!
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Can you take a screenshot of your current player stats from the general tab in PT? Things like VPIP, PFR, AFq, WTSD, W$SD would be useful.
Also, if you would like to post a graph, printscreen + paint should do the trick.
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lNormajean
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operation 2k ftw
also playin 8,9, 12 hours is kinda insane
fatigue will make u play bad... i try to limit myself to 3 hour sessions at the most playin cash games, its a little different in huge mtts but i guess every1 has there own way of coping with those.
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acgibson
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Originally Posted by AFchung
what stakes were you playing at?
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mostly 2nl but i tilted with my last 10 dollars and played 10nl.which was probably stupid.OBviously right? .. 
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Originally Posted by lNormajean
also playin 8,9, 12 hours is kinda insane
fatigue will make u play bad... i try to limit myself to 3 hour sessions at the most playin cash games, its a little different in huge mtts but i guess every1 has there own way of coping with those.
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thats only when i play live at the dog track.which i played last night and i flop top two pair. from Midddle Position so i raise and end up shoving the turn to try and push out any flushes and got called down and taken out..now that i think about it i should of slow played being i was short stack i guess..or maybe just wasnt my night..the guy that called me down had no straight draw just a flush and there was only one of his cards on flop and he gets runner runner..ahhh!!! lol thats the way the cookie crumbles sometimes..
ok heres my general tab...
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acgibson
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oh..and heres my horrible graph...ehhhh....
and why cant i get the images to come up??
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I think you need a minimum of x posts to post images
I forgot what x was
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Lucothefish
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Full House
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Because you aren't using the right link:
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3554/88848032.jpg =
It's 10 posts for links, hooray I get to correct iopq!
Any jpg link with a ? character in it will not work.
Edit: added the image.
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<@d0zer> how will you learn if I don't berate you harshly?
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Keith
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Full House
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you need to use the url tab for links , heres the general one
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9973/96063135.jpg
FIXED
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dragntail
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Join Date: May 2009
Location: UK
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Your general tab image is too small, I can't see any of the numbers. Make sure you not allowing imageshack to resize it when you're uploading it.
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kfaess
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Flush
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why is poker profitable?
because of people like the op.
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van.dog
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Join Date: May 2009
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I'm not a seasoned veteran, but I think you probably just need to keep at it and keep playing.....
Make another deposit and try to win it all back!
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acgibson
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Originally Posted by van.dog
I'm not a seasoned veteran, but I think you probably just need to keep at it and keep playing.....
Make another deposit and try to win it all back!
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most definetly..im just trying to figure out why i lost it all to begin with..
ok and heres my general tab..sorry it did resize it before i didnt notice the box was checked..
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Stacks
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Comments on your stats likely won't mean much as the sample size is really small and doesn't show the whole picture. However, with a quick glance you have some glaring weaknesses in your game.
I'm not sure if the majority of these hands came from 6m or FR, but either way you are still playing too many hands, and not raising enough of those hands, which means you are either limping too often or calling too often.
Your attempt to steal is on the low side over this sample. Should be closer to 30-40%.
You are likely not folding to 3bets often enough, and you might be 3betting too much.
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AdamThePirate
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Straight
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scrubbing out your name is all well and good, but it is still highlighted on the left of your screenshot...
Also, your VPIP is too high, your PFR isn't too bad though if it's 6max, maybe a little too loose if FR.
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Originally Posted by Carroters
Take it Doyle, take it!
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Keith
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Full House
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wot stacks said + you played 10NL whilst tited . How do you explain 3 sessions at 25 NL when there was no way you were rolled for it. Check the starting hand charts so that you can tighten up .
Can you post the positions tab stats as well. Are you playing in or out of position etc?
From the stats you originally posted you seem to be concentrating on the wrong stats.You seem to be more interested in how many hands you've won , rather than whether you are playing the right hands in the right positions in the right way.
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AFchung
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: UCLA
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read the stickies in the beginner's circle. 2NL is very low variance because everyone plays so bad yet your graph is swingy indicating you have a bunch of leaks in your game
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Kijjo
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Dude you came to right place. Folks will tell you flat out what's wrong with your game. Don't get pissed, they're telling you like it is. If you want to become a profitable player, it's going to take some serious study - spend some time reading.
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acgibson
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im not pissed at all,I appreciate the adivce very much. after looking at the data myself im starting to notice ALOT of flaws, most are small mistakes but they add up to a lost bankroll. thanks alot ill post what i see in the data and you guys can critique what i say but heres my position chart...
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AFchung
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Full House
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: UCLA
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looks like you're limping a lot. vpip in the 30s for a full ring game is playing waaaaay too many hands
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1. you're calling too much preflop, raising not enough
a. you're cold calling too many raises remember that you have to have a stronger hand to call a raise than to raise yourself
b. you're open limping too much, it's not a good idea
2. you're playing as many hands on the button as you do under the gun
you're basically not positionally aware
when do you have the best chance to win the pot, when you raise first in on the button and there's 2 people left to act, or when you raise first in under the gun and there's 8 other people left to act?
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gn2056
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Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Long Beach, California
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it happens all the time, honestly fifty bux aint really a bankroll its a deposit.
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I would rather have a bottle in front of me then a frontal labotomy
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Ragnar4
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Full House
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Location: Billings, Montana
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Originally Posted by gn2056
it happens all the time, honestly fifty bux aint really a bankroll its a deposit.
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$40 is a sufficient BR for 2nl.
So why isn't 50 a bankroll? Because it's not 40?
Quit Trolling pls.
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The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here? 
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daveo123
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Join Date: May 2009
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First off 50$ is plenty of cash to start out with. Thats why PS has the "MICRO" tab. IF you sit down at a .01/.02 NL hold em with 5$, by playing only premium hands you should be able to double it in 3 hrs or so. and think about it if u make only 3 dollers thats still 16% boost in your stack. Play within your means. There is no reason to play anything over .25/50 with a 50 bank roll. Also the micro .10 cent SNGs are great. You can spend alot of time only winning .20 cents but if you play well you can cash in those games 80% of the time. 1st is 8 bucks. Dont worrie about how often you are limping raising ect... just play your cards.
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Keith
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Full House
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Originally Posted by daveo123
Play within your means. There is no reason to play anything over .25/50 with a 50 bank roll.
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WHAT ???? Theres NO reason to be playing over 10NL with that bankroll
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acgibson
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Originally Posted by iopq
1. you're calling too much preflop, raising not enough
a. you're cold calling too many raises remember that you have to have a stronger hand to call a raise than to raise yourself
b. you're open limping too much, it's not a good idea
2. you're playing as many hands on the button as you do under the gun
you're basically not positionally aware
when do you have the best chance to win the pot, when you raise first in on the button and there's 2 people left to act, or when you raise first in under the gun and there's 8 other people left to act?
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first on the button, and i think my problem is when I win and then i fall apart and throw everything out the window that ive learned and play by "gut" which is how i lost my bankroll. $50 is a bankroll to me because i dont have alot of money to spend but enough that i can deposit again of course or i wouldnt go through the trouble of doing all this. i got up to $75 as you can see on the graph then it was straight downhill from there. i reviewed my biggest losers and replayed the hands and got to watch my actions. I almost shit myself when i saw how stupid i was playing! Ridiculous calls and raises in pots i shouldnt even be in. but im glad i posted this up because it made me realize what i did wrong. read my first post then read this one and youll see..lol i started taking notes as i play with good plays as well as bad and things i need to work on.. like not marrying pocket pairs or calling big raises with them because of the chance of flopping a monster..or a trap! someone makes a straight or flush and i have a set..there were numerous hands that i called down when i should of folded just called or raised to give him improper odds to call.. just horrible..lol thanks for all the help guys seriously..and iim going to post my hands played for some critique as well..i know im gonna get ripped on those some of those hands i played are just garbage...
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acgibson
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my hands........
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Dash
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Two Pair
Join Date: Mar 2009
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In addition to what's been said about less limping/more raising, look at your VPIP from the SB. Now look at your Amount Won. You're hemorrhaging from the SB. Completing with a crappola hand is a great way to get involved in a pot you can't win. Let it go.
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linaker
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Originally Posted by acgibson
first on the button, and i think my problem is when I win and then i fall apart and throw everything out the window that ive learned and play by "gut" which is how i lost my bankroll. $50 is a bankroll to me because i dont have alot of money to spend but enough that i can deposit again of course or i wouldnt go through the trouble of doing all this. i got up to $75 as you can see on the graph then it was straight downhill from there. i reviewed my biggest losers and replayed the hands and got to watch my actions. I almost shit myself when i saw how stupid i was playing! Ridiculous calls and raises in pots i shouldnt even be in. but im glad i posted this up because it made me realize what i did wrong. read my first post then read this one and youll see..lol i started taking notes as i play with good plays as well as bad and things i need to work on.. like not marrying pocket pairs or calling big raises with them because of the chance of flopping a monster..or a trap! someone makes a straight or flush and i have a set..there were numerous hands that i called down when i should of folded just called or raised to give him improper odds to call.. just horrible..lol thanks for all the help guys seriously..and iim going to post my hands played for some critique as well..i know im gonna get ripped on those some of those hands i played are just garbage...
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For 2NL full ring games, you are winning 17.66% of pots. Its a small sample, but if there are 8 or 9 players, you should be winning around 12.5% of pots on average. If you are winning nearly a fifth of the pots, but are losing money overall, then it does look like you are winning small pots and losing big ones, so I think you have identified one problem with your game yourself.
You are overvaluing Arag suited. (A5s VPIP 83.33, A5o VPIP 36.73 A3s VPIP 93.75, A3o VPIP 17.54 etc). Two suited cards only gives you an extra 2% equity in the hand. Playing A rag, suited or not, from early or middle position and overplaying it, is a sure way to win small pots and lose big ones.
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Ash256
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4-of-a-Kind
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post a few hands using the converter at www.weaktight.com
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