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    Default All in EV ?

    i've been studying my game a lot in HEM and i've stumbled on something i'm not sure i understand. at the Graph section in HEM, therés an option showing All in EV and there's a green line (winnings) and a red line (EV). how should i interpret this graph, the lines and the distances between them? are they of some importance or resemblence?

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    dont pay a whole host of attention to that. You can get a rough gauge of how well your running, but it only deals with situations that go to showdown..

    ie.. you bet trips on the flop and turn only to lay down to a flush on the river. Thats very plus +ev, but there's no effect to the red line.

    You can analyse why your running + or - for all in ev, and it might lead you to find some mistakes, but you probably know about them already. Really its just telling you if your getting lucky of unlucky whenever your all in.
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    search the forums and you'll find a lot on this, here's a short thread from a week or two ago:

    http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...on-187284.html

    in a nutshell, for pots that you are all in before the river, the all in line shows you how much you would have won if you had of won how much you are expected to win on average if you play that same hand in that same way many thousands of times.

    If the red line is below you're green line, you're 'running well' which means you're winning more than you should expect to win if you play the exact same way in those hands that you're all in before the river. If your red line is above the green line, you're 'running bad' and if you continue to play the same way you have been playing with you're all in pots, then you should expect to start winnning more.

    If the lines converge (meet) then at that point in your graph you had won the amount you would expect to win when all the hands you have played are weighed against each other up until that point in your graph.
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    i get tired of saying this.

    pay less attention to your winnings and pay even less attention to your AIEV.

    ?wut
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikes View Post
    i get tired of saying this.

    pay less attention to your winnings and pay even less attention to your AIEV.
    QFT

    all-in EV lines should only be brought up in conversation or discussion when you mean to show off the fact that you are winning despite "running horribly"

    also you may justify postflop all-ins by saying 'well even if I lose, it'll make my all-in ev line look sexy'
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    I hate this graph with passion. Ignore it, it is a graph capable of tilting you. I had a shot at 25nl, which was short lived as I was running very bad. I had a look at my AIEV graph to discover I was down around $400 on what I should've expected. Needless to say, I stopped running bad, I started playing badly instead, which is much worse. If I hadn't looked at that graph, I might still be playing 25nl.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong
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    no, i don't really pay attention to graphs and the way i win, although i'd like to win more and go up in stakes - but nevertheless, i'm studying all the elements of poker that are around me including HEM and it's options so I know what/when/why should i use. thank you for your responses.

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