WW 2013 Edition: The Conglomerate

Where did I say you're doing what you did last game?

Also, how exactly would it be wolfy if I'm doing what I did last game? I started out villager.

You're firing blanks boyo.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Where did I say you're doing what you did last game?

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Anyway pascal got wolf again, he's lazily hopping on to other people's reads

I'm referring what to what you did at the end of last game, not the beginning. When we were laughing in chat about how wolfy you looked but no one was lynching you

Sorry, but I did not get the memo about not lynching newbes who bother to post

I understand the logic of recruiting new people into the game as a meta game strategy, but in terms of game play lynching noobs is the sensible thing to do, with no info chances are we will hit a villager, and noobs are the least useful villagers

That being said I think that Pascal is a bit too defensive, so
lynch Pascal

lets string up pascal. hes a semi WW noob that we can all feel good about lynching. his posts have been sloppy and im not sure how he can help the village much.

Originally Posted by Pascal

In, will read your story tomorrow rilla that is long

zzzzz

Originally Posted by Pascal

(1)Agreed daven is looking wolfy. Daven, is this your very first WW game?

(2)Gabe was a strong villager in last game but still managed to draw some suspicion IIRC (although that might have been cos I was directing stuff at him but I remember he aways responded well). Seems worth keeping him around for at least a few days given there will be easier targets and he'll be a strong benefit to the village if he's a villager.

(3)Got a couple of ideas for villagers but so far IMO only strong villager read is wuf even if he does talk some shit

1-daven said this at the very beginning. if pascal overlooks this how can he bring value to village?
2-getting on my good side wont save you.. the village is too smart to let me get that powerful
3-pascal style is him delaying his analysis until the village tosses him a bone. whether hes a wolf or not i think lynching him is +EV

Originally Posted by daven

I'm not sure exactly what nightgizmo means re 'i'd rather lynch an inactive noob than let him be modkilled'. Please explain to this active noob?

In general, I prefer to lynch inactives on day 1, especially if they will be modkilled due to inactivity. Otherwise, more players end up dead by the end of the day, and there is a higher probability that they are villagers than wolves. And if I had to choose between an inactive regular and an inactive new player, I'm going to vote for the inactive new player.

There are only 2 new players, that I know of -- daven and aubrey (although I don't know who Fulsky is, so he might be a third?). Daven has definitely been taking an interest in the game so he's off my day-1 list. Aubrey has posted a few times, although so far nothing of substance -- I'll let her slide for day 1.

Pascal is an interesting bandwagon, but I'm not too worried about him yet. When he was a wolf last game, I felt that I was able to tell pretty easily after he got in a decent amount of posts, so I can wait another day or two for him to prove himself or hang himself. When he was a special 2 games ago, he was pretty solid -- I'm kinda hoping he's a villager so we can see how he plays that role.

So far, there are still 3 inactives: jyms, fulsky, bigred. My preference is for one of those 3, but I'll give them a little more time to chime in -- it hasn't even been a full day yet.

How about leaving pascal for the Vig to finish off. The "is daven a noob?" post shows he will be a terrible villager in the endgame. Its not even as if its missing one post where Daven said that he was a noob, he quite clearly posted that he didn't understand my post where i was talking about daven saying that he was a noob and it was also posted after i clarified what i wrote this morning and once again said that daven was a noob. If he can't spot the blindingly obvious hows he going to spot the links the wolves try and keep hidden.
By letting the Vig take him out , we also avoid a noob vig taking out one of the stronger endgame players.As Gizmo has said ...Wheres Jyms. He said in the signup thread that he was unemployed and just WW and poker so he was going to be active. And now he's gone missing . Is he busy discussing strat with the other wolves and making a noob mistake by forgetting to post in the thread?.

Fulksy has played before and does have a tendency to go missing as well so could welll be another vig target.

Rescind wuf lynch jyms

Sticking with my vote for now, basically for the same reasons gizmo gave few posts above. It´s arbitrary for bigred or fulsky tho.

Quite suspicious of OngBonga, who has been awfully defensive this early in the game. Same goes for Keith, who is also trying ye olde "vig shoot inactive"-trick.

Going for gabe is a dead end. He´ll be a valuable villager but a useless wolf in midgame unless the wolves get lucky one night. Not trying to charm the man, but it´s def +ev to keep him around.

Yeah where the fuck is jyms? Also Xtr seems wolfy to me but I'm pretty sure its because he was a wolf nearly every time I played with him and I have no reason to find him suspicious just yet. Agree with the comments on pascal but I'm not sold on him yet. Don't like the no shows which generates more interest from me than anything else but I guess its still early in the day.

Originally Posted by jackvance

Checking in. There seems to be a lot of analysis for a day 1.

Casual wolf casually checking in.

Originally Posted by TLR

Sorry, but I did not get the memo about not lynching newbes who bother to post

I understand the logic of recruiting new people into the game as a meta game strategy, but in terms of game play lynching noobs is the sensible thing to do, with no info chances are we will hit a villager, and noobs are the least useful villagers

Don't agree with this, inactives must come first early on to prevent them hurting the village later.

Agree with hoopy. We've been fucked by inactives time and time again and every time we day right we won't let this happen next game and then next game we do it again.

Originally Posted by XTR1000

Quite suspicious of OngBonga, who has been awfully defensive this early in the game. Same goes for Keith, who is also trying ye olde "vig shoot inactive"-trick.

Your post is almost as bad as Pascal's post. How do you define someone who has made several posts with glaring errors as being inactive. I'm not pulling the vig shoot inactive trick . I'm saying let the vig shoot someone who is likely to be a liability in the endgame rather than wasting a lynch on him. Either way he will be dead. If he's a villager the wolves aren't going to kill someone who they see as beneficial to their cause, we should be trying to find and kill wolves with the lynchs not taking out the inept and certainly shouldn't risk shooting the seer or angel this early in the game.
The way the vig PM was worded it looks like they can't stock up with bullets for more info later in the game and can only shoot on even nights.(can a mod clarify this)

That was a fun slew of posts. Won't be drinking that much for quite some time. A race between pascal and bigred is probably best today.

lynch bigred

BTW I do think gabe is a wolf and hoopy did us all a favor by catching JV wolfing

Wuf, your ego in WW never ceases to amaze me. The fact that you think you can catch yourself a wolf on day 1 is ridiculous.

Pascal may look wolfy but at least he's posting. As was mentioned before, he'll show his true colors soon enough. There's no need to kill him on day 1.

Let's cut the fat. Jyms and fulksy still inactive. Let's not let ourselves let the wolves go inactive again. It's an easy road to victory that we need to block.

I don't say this often, but I like Boog's thought process here.

rescind pascal, lynch Jyms

boog is doing that thing where he's not paying too close of attention, which means he's a villager. bigred is also inactive and we've let him get to endgame several times by way of nothing. jyms is a good lynch too; it appears he may be awol this game. fulksy is in similar categories, but i think he's less dangerous since he has been very easy to figure out when awol

something to note, however, is that we need to lynch inactives because if we dont, they get modkilled and we lose the lynch. so yeah that means bigred, jyms and fulksy. and aubrey on day two if the current content is the extent of her posts

lynch fulksy
im ok with bigred or jyms too. very suprising we havent seen them

rescind Ong
lynch fulksy

Agree that best to lynch inactives, I've seen jyms play previous games before so at least there's some history there

just for the record i've been lurking like a motherfucker all day while at work (it was a slow-ish day) and have been second guessing myself every time i thought i had something to say.

i cannot get a solid read on anyone except maybe wuf, but he is a tricky bastard so even with him i have no idea.

for now i will say lynch jyms mainly because of boog's reasoning. even if boog is a wolf and trying to lead us astray, inactivity is still a bad thing, whether they are actually a wolf or not. so that seems safe for now, but it seems like i'm allowed to rescind that if i decide to... and it's entirely possible that i will.

will most likely post more later, now that i'm home and have time to analyze stuff uninterrupted by my boss. in the mean time, i will be giving you all the larry david up-and-down. i'd post a gif (or even the link to the gif) but it won't let me. prolly 'cause i'm a girl.

i've read through the posts and understand a lot more of what is going on. Sorry for my spam earlier. I think that what follows makes sense.

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Lynch scenarios best->worst
1 - hit a wolf
2 - hit a liability villager
3 - hit a normal villager
4 - hit a special

and it seems that there are two types of liability villager
1 - someone who is likely to be incompetent. That's noobs (cos inexperience) and people with a history of incompetence or who are displaying incompetence.
2 - inactives. If people never post anything with content then they don't run the risk of making a slipup that exposes them so we can lynch them.

which of these liabilities is worse?
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or which one of those archetypes is likely to be presented by a wolf? wolves dont usually play "dumb" because its too risky to get seen as an expendable incompetent villager.(but maybe an experienced wolf would because they might get a pass for their past achievements)

its alot easier for a wolf to cut back their posts and hope to slip by

who are most likely to be wolves? I guess it's best to start from the an 'innocent until proven guilty' perspective cos probability of randomly chosen player being villager >>> than being wolf.

So far I'm more suspicious than neutral regarding a few people who have posted.
1 - Pascal, for the reason i mentioned in my earlier post. Most likely wolf in my list at the moment, but i'm not yet confident enough to think that bolding him is better than bolding an inactive.
2 - Boog. Suggests targeting inactives. Disappears. Turns up later with another no content post and more support for targeting inactives. Disappears.
3 - Wufwugy - but the more he posts, the less suspicious i get
4 - Bikes. His reasons for not lynching people are interesting. Could there be a possible 'i don't mind too much who we lynch cos i'll lynch them at night instead'. And i don't see any rationale behind his choice of keith as a lynch. Then again, this choice is probably pretty meaningless cos day 1 etc.

Nothing strong enough there to think we're better off going after one of them rather than an inactive. Re inactives, it seems that we end up with similar problems with those who post rarely and without content

@ gator, i don't consider myself confused. I apologise if i am confusing you. As I said above (and to answer pascal's question yet again!) yes, I am new to this, but that doesn't mean i can't read and comprehend posts. Noting that there are two of you (Dropthebanana the other) that think that i'm a worthy day-1 lynch.

It seems that we generate more useful info if we run wagons on an inactive vs an active player rather than on two inactive players. Or is there too much risk of taking out an active villager?

Vote Count 1.03

Pascal (2): Ongbonga, TLR
Daven(1): DroptheBanana
Keith(1): Bikes
Jyms (4): XTR1000, Keith, GatorJH, Aubrey
Fulksey (3): Boog690, Gabe, Pascal
Bigred (1): Wufwugy

Not Voting: Hoopy, Rong, Jyms, Jackvance, Daven, Nightgizmo, Fulsky, and Bigred.

Deadline is in roughly 2 days. 11 votes needed to lynch.

If you PM me and don't have room for replies, I will cut you. With a knife and everything! Also, remember that only I can talk about PMs.

I am now prodding those who haven't posted.

Daven,
This is what bugged me about your first few posts. You start out all "I'm a newbie and have no idea what I am doing.............

Originally Posted by daven

how do we go about this hunting business?

Originally Posted by daven

5 posts now!
does anything suspicious normally happen on day 1?
i'm already coming up with theories on who is what among the above posters. Then i realise that my theories thus far are all pretty lol.
maybe i should post them anyway?

.......yet a few hours later you make this long post acting like you have everything figured out already. At first read it looked suspicious as hell, but on second reading it comes off more as eager beaver villager.

Originally Posted by daven

readthrough on the first 30 posts:

boog - if he suggests lynching low posters and then doesn't post again then i'm confused. Wolfy? I agree with him that we should make life hard for people who don't post much. It's going to be pretty hard to get reads on someone who doesn't ever post.

the boog-wuf interplay at the start got me suspicious but i doubt it means anything at all

pascal not having time to read the story but then popping into the thread to post again a couple of hours again seems like it means something. Wolfy?

i'm not sure what to make of keith's post. I think he's suggesting that i'm stupid villager or stupid wolf? I can't tell which. Seems unlikely he'd write that as a wolf?

Bikes' post didn't really say much. I look forward to reading some content from him. If he makes numerous empty posts then interesting.

Wuf had somehow confirmed a wolf and a villager within the first 20 posts. Optimistic? Unless he knows who everyone is already. I mean, i generated and then dispelled some hunches and suspicions, then generated some more, but definitely nothing even remotely close to solid enough to lynch.

I'm not sure exactly what nightgizmo means re 'i'd rather lynch an inactive noob than let him be modkilled'. Please explain to this active noob?

aubrey. no strangers here, only friends you haven't met. Right? post some accusations imo.

ong. Spray. He basically just chucks random things out there as far as i can tell. Which is probably a good way to generate information as a villager and a good way to generate mis-information as a wolf.

gabe. Against people holding their vote AND against day 1 lynches. I like that his post is about confusing all of us. Nice.

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Originally Posted by JKDS

Not Voting: Hoopy, Rong, Jyms, Jackvance, Daven, Aubrey, Nightgizmo, Fulsky, and Bigred.

lets also be suspicious of the inactive voters.. hoopy/rong/jackvance/gizmo mostly. 1 of them is probably a wolf prudently waiting to pick which bandwagon is least suspicious. a wolf team never rushes out and all votes early. theres always 1 wolf who waits until the end.

also the fact that jyms/bigred are unusually inactive makes me think if they were going to wait to vote, they would have at least posted by now. so i think fulksey first, we hear from bigred/jyms, then maybe aim at 1 of those 4 above

tbh bigred not throwing out his "gator must be a wolf" strategy seems weird.

jkds - i did vote. i voted to lynch jyms.

right now i'm side eyeing anyone with super long posts that try to analyze quite literally everyone who's been active. as wuf said in a past game (yeah i went there): "in my mind the truly best wolf game is when one wolf does everything to help the village except for the final thing, then he wins just because of that one thing. that's how i tried to play wolf last time i.e. be truthful about everything and help the village while leaving a couple small tricks in there"

and since wuf said that, i'm looking at him the hardest. at the same time, wuf is an analyzer either way, so it's too early to tell. (plus, alcohol=volubility)

to gator's point about daven - i'm not suspicious of daven claiming to be confused noob and then saying a bunch of stuff since everyone's made a stink about "incompetent noobs." depending on their personalities, noobs will talk a lot so they don't seem incompetent, or will say little so they don't seem incompetent.

Originally Posted by aubreymcfate

jkds - i did vote. i voted to lynch jyms.

Fixed.

Mod Note: It is easier for me if votes are on separate lines, though this is not required.

I'm here. I'm not disappearing. There is no thing where I'm not paying attention. I just believe day 1 is a bunch of dribble and simply works best in hindsight. To think you have some kind of soulread on someone on day 1 is egotistical in my eyes. The best thing we can do is make a point that this isn't the game to be completely inactive.

Players like Wuf and Ong try to find a wolf on day 1 just so they can feel good about being able to say they found one. They live for the "see? I was right about him being a wolf."

Originally Posted by BooG690

Players like Wuf and Ong try to find a wolf on day 1 just so they can feel good about being able to say they found one. They live for the "see? I was right about him being a wolf."

Partially. I play like that due to excitement and strategy, and I rile shit up because I believe the pieces fall into place better afterwards.

3 total inactives, 8 votes against them, 1 of whom is bigred. Looks to me like he's a wolf and the wolves would rather kill the other two

On that note, I personally don't understand a jyms vote. He's obviously the highest value of the 3. Gator, Keith, and XTR, what are your explanations for a jyms vote. I left Aubrey out because she wouldn't know jyms is higher value.

The only way a jyms vote makes sense is for a wolf who wants to off the highest value inactive.

I'M BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My fucking wi-fi went down. Gimme some time to read, I just scanned to make sure I wasn't mod killed so I can post. I will post thoughts in 10 minutes

His total lack of inactivity is very puzzling and something I could see him doing on purpose on day 1 so he could play the "why would I be inactive on day one and draw attention to myself" strategy later. I distinctly remember Jym's pulling fairly bold moves on day one then using them later in the game to make himself look like a villager. For example his very first post in the werewolves and vampires game was to lynch crazyvette, a fellow vampire).

Originally Posted by jyms

I'M BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My fucking wi-fi went down. Gimme some time to read, I just scanned to make sure I wasn't mod killed so I can post. I will post thoughts in 10 minutes

Like this. Makes a post looking like he couldn't get here and acts like he was concerned about a modkill even though he knows that he wouldn't get modkilled before day 1 even ends.

my guess is that he was going to play this out a little longer but started getting heat and had to abandon the strategy.

Originally Posted by BooG690

Players like Wuf and Ong try to find a wolf on day 1 just so they can feel good about being able to say they found one. They live for the "see? I was right about him being a wolf."

Yeah it's true.

But, I disagree with you boog that d1 is dribble, as much as the term amused me. I mean take my last villager game... I named jyms as wolf on post 54. Sure it's based on sketchy reads. And I've just played a game with JKDS on another site where we basically owned the shit out of the wolves on d1, though the format was different. Point is, wolves make mistakes on d1 and as such it's not always dribble. It's just that on day one, soulreads are way more likely to be flawed.

So far I think pascal and xtra are wolves. Pascal is pointing at daven, saying he's wolfy, but isn't reading his posts. He then responds with "OMG you're a wolf" and spews even worse logic at me than my usual d1 crap. Shortly after, xtra comes in and says I'm suspicious for being defensive. Huh what? Defensive? All of my posts have either been random noise, or offence. Where's the defence? Basically xtra is defending pascal by attacking me... chainsaw defence.

Se yeah, pascal and xtra. That's not random d1 finger pointing, there's reason to suspect them both.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

Like this. Makes a post looking like he couldn't get here and acts like he was concerned about a modkill even though he knows that he wouldn't get modkilled before day 1 even ends.

No seriously I haven't posted since Friday and anyone that has me on FB would know I haven't posted there either, nor been on skype, IRC or Digsby.


That said, I think lynching Wuf is a good idea to get rid of the fucking huge sig every other post. Not to mention I think his last one with the Cat on the beach was fucking up threads I was trying to scroll.

But I will go with everone else for now and say inactives ve to go, we discuss it every game and never do.
Lynch Bigred

Originally Posted by GatorJH

my guess is that he was going to play this out a little longer but started getting heat and had to abandon the strategy.

Also after posting so much the last two games I would never switch that strat as a wolf because it would make people suspicious immediately. I deserved the heat for inactivity, but I'm back and hope to return to old form.

I also think we should spend a little more time focusing on our lynches, there are specials again and they haven't been much of a factor the last two games. The Wolf/vampire game had them lynched early and last game we had none. And no this isn't me trying to give hints, wolves would be far too smart for that.

Awww snap, we started! Did not realize this. Going to read through thread but a big middle finger goes to TJ since I saw he bolded me.

ok, I will give you the benefit of the doubt for now and rescind jyms

I'm gonna suggest an xtr lynch. Pascal is active, bigred and fulsky will probably be active once they realise we've started, xtr is someone who likes to float by and he's given me reason to think he could be a wolf. If he turns out to be, then pascal is probably a wolf too.

Based on activity, pascal is more of a loss to the village than xtr, and I want to actually string someone up who has a decent chance of being wolf. bigred and fulsky have not even posted, so it's unlikely they know the game has started, let alone their roles. So these pair are random chance targets, they're only slightly more likely to be wolf than special.

lynch XTR1000

This lynch makes more sense than someone who hasn't posted, but has shown in the past they play the game.

jyms, the forum resizes the sigs for me so theyre not big anymore. maybe you should look into that

Originally Posted by daven

It seems that we generate more useful info if we run wagons on an inactive vs an active player rather than on two inactive players. Or is there too much risk of taking out an active villager?

^ I've thought about this a bunch and it still feels like a good idea
Fulksey vs Pascal
= an inactive vs the player i'm most suspicious of thus far.
sound good?

Lynch Pascal

Originally Posted by GatorJH

tbh bigred not throwing out his "gator must be a wolf" strategy seems weird.

I'm letting you think we're not on to you so you reveal the rest of the wolves!

Oh, my other middle finger to TJ with a lynch jymz

People, get off fulsky. His lynch serves no purpose. He will be involved when he joins us. It's a readless vote and if we lynch him without him even posting, it gives us nothing, even if he's a wolf is minimum info. Give him a day.

pascal vs xtr1000 imo

After reading posts

@ong, d1 is most def drivel.

What's with the theme? When does Uma Thurman show up and chop our heads off?

BTW, not sure what to think of this D0zer player...sure is posting a lot

bigred, you can think what you like about d1, but my last villager game, I was awesome on d1 then shit afterwards, I sniffed out jyms and stacks. In that game I mention on another site, I sniffed out three mafia before we got a confirmed kill. I have a little more faith in my d1 reads after these games.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

People, get off fulsky. His lynch serves no purpose. He will be involved when he joins us. It's a readless vote and if we lynch him without him even posting, it gives us nothing, even if he's a wolf is minimum info. Give him a day.

pascal vs xtr1000 imo

Lynching an inactive on day 1 doesn't necessarily immediately help us, but the day 1 voting record and discussions definitely come into play later in the game. Killing off an inactive now is better than taking the modkill if fulksy doesn't bother to show up.

I'm still giving fulksy his 36 hours before I cast my vote, and I haven't seen any convincing evidence yet to vote for anyone else today.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

bigred, you can think what you like about d1, but my last villager game, I was awesome on d1 then shit afterwards, I sniffed out jyms and stacks. In that game I mention on another site, I sniffed out three mafia before we got a confirmed kill. I have a little more faith in my d1 reads after these games.

Hardly tough considering there was 8 fucking baddies in that game. You had more than a 50 chance of hitting the broad side of a barn

This is too easy.

pascal xtr1000 and gizmo. Who's the last one?

lol you're right jyms. Still, xtr1000 is a good lynch today.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

...xtr is someone who likes to float by and he's given me reason to think he could be a wolf. If he turns out to be, then pascal is probably a wolf too.

Do you care to share your reasons? We're supposed to change our minds and kill someone blindly on your say-so?

Originally Posted by wufwugy

jyms, the forum resizes the sigs for me so theyre not big anymore. maybe you should look into that

Not on mine, what can I do to stop this

Originally Posted by jyms

Hardly tough considering there was 8 fucking baddies in that game. You had more than a 50 chance of hitting the broad side of a barn

got em


whatever fulksey posts it wont be enough. his name will be coming up for days. lets get rid of him now. day 1 takes too long

i just turn sigs off

Originally Posted by NightGizmo

Do you care to share your reasons? We're supposed to change our minds and kill someone blindly on your say-so?

You seem a little aggressive in your tone, most out of character.

I've explained already. all xtr has done is come in just after me and pascal exchange blows and says I'm suspicious for being defensive, when it is pascal who was defensive, I was on the attack.

What's with you then gizmo? Why so touchy?

jyms, just change resize settings on Edit Options page in profile. I leave my boxes blank and it resizes everything pretty well

honestly i wouldnt use half of the sigs i do if i knew you guys weren't resizing. some of them are pretty big and probably annoying

Originally Posted by OngBonga

You seem a little aggressive in your tone, most out of character.

Hmm... my tone wasn't meant to be aggressive, more flippant. I was actually curious if you had reasons or if you were just throwing out names (common for you on day 1).

I still like fulksy (unless he starts posting, obviously), but I think we need to narrow down our wagons and I was curious if XTR was a legitimate choice or not. If we kill an inactive fulksy and he turns out to be a villager (likely, I'd assume a wolf would show some interest), then it would be nice to have our voting record a little less shotgunned across multiple wagons.

Ok, well sure I have what I consider sound reasons for a d1 lynch, it's not just random. I don't see how lynching fulsky is a good move because we're basically lynching him for not starting fast enough. I think we should judge his activity from the point he joins us, not but how fast it takes him to do so. xtr1000, on the other hand, he's posted twice, so he knows we're go. He's quiet too, but based on previous games, fulsky will be more involved once he joins. Plus there's actually someone claiming to have a wolf read on xtr1000, so we get more info than if we lynch at random, which is basically all a fulsky lynch is while he's not here.

Fulsky is too easy a target. We're on short days here and I'm expecting wolves to push us into a bad pressure vote. That's why I'm questioning your motives here.

Fulksy doesn't have the luxury of joining in whenever he wants and being valuable at that point. If he's been inactive the entire day 1, he will be modkilled. That's the only reason I want to lynch him -- having multiple villagers die on day 1 is not a good way to start the game. I've had this exact same argument pretty much every game. Given that (a) it's day 1 and we have very little information to act on, (b) a player will be modkilled, and (c) a random lynch will likely hit a villager rather than a wolf, it's better for the village to lynch the modkill.

Obviously, strong new information can change that -- it's worth pursuing a lynch if that player is suspicious enough. But I don't see how "if pascal is a wolf, then XTR is protecting him by attacking Ong, therefore XTR is a wolf" is a very good argument.

strong new information like what?? i dont think thats possible at this early. lets just kill fulksey. its weird onbonga is so against it.

after this is over im going to push for rong or jackvance, unless we get a wolf

"if pascal is a wolf, then XTR is protecting him by attacking Ong, therefore XTR is a wolf" is a very good argument.

Well, here is where we disagree. I've started playing games on another site, and when player A attacks player B for attacking player C, this is known as a chainsaw defence, and can be a wolf tell. Even more so when xtr posts false information, that I am defensive, while neglecting to mention pascal, who was defensive. You might not think there's anything in this, but I think this is as good as it gets on d1 without seer intervention. Here I'm suggesting we lynch someone who is both quiet and wolfy, and gives us info, yet there's resistance and people want to kill someone who hasn't started yet.

I missed a bit of your quote there gizmo and it changes the context lol.

But I don't see how "if pascal is a wolf, then XTR is protecting him by attacking Ong, therefore XTR is a wolf" is a very good argument.

Out of the 3 inactives that were mentioned, 2 popped up and started playing
I assume Fulsky will show up, he is usually involved

I am sticking with Pascal vote, he came off a bit too defensively when his name was brought up, and disappeared when other targets emerged, I think he is our best bet for now

Re gabe post 104. Jyms is not usually inactive, quite the opposite in fact.

Hmm, last post is irrelevant.

I'm down with fulksy. Not that long left and he's prob modkilled. I'm not explaining why that's bad again.

lynch fulksy

Originally Posted by gabe

also the fact that jyms/bigred are unusually inactive makes me think if they were going to wait to vote, they would have at least posted by now. so i think fulksey first, we hear from bigred/jyms, then maybe aim at 1 of those 4 above

Originally Posted by rong

Re gabe post 104. Jyms is not usually inactive, quite the opposite in fact.

"jyms is unusually inactive"

"jyms is not usually inactive"


cmon