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Originally Posted by jackvance
Haha it's Gator and Dan. I was waiting to see if Gator might contest the big red wolf claim but he didn't.
Keith, if you bold me we are insta-GG'd because I am seriously a villager!
Originally Posted by GatorJH
What? Why would Bigred all of a sudden come out and say he was the angel if he wasn't? It's not like he was about to be lynched. It's quite apparent now that you have been using vague logic and a ton of posting all along to get us to go with your thoughts, and it almost worked. Unfortunately it isn't working any more.
Originally Posted by jackvance
Because the only one that was a confirmed villager at this point for me, was in fact Keith. Warpe being a villager shows my whole case against them was bogus and he was simply being genuine. So with noone contesting the big red angel claim, there's only 2 people left, you Gator, and Dan.
so at this stage jack is saying that he accepts that Bigred is the angel.
Originally Posted by DanAronG
Well if he is a wolf then the way this thread is panning out shows exactly why he would do it.
Gator & Keith - DO NOT LYNCH ME! I'm a villager goddamit!
In fact it makese more sense if JV & Bigred are the wolves, if one of you lynches me this is all over.
In fact, if Bigred & JV are wolves, then one of you two must be the angel, cos I'm not. So if one of you is the angel, you know I'm not lying, cos if I'm a wolf, then Bigred is the angel, so if one of you is the angel, I must be telling the truth!
Seriously, do not lynch me! I'm a villager!
Question - why does Dan need me and gator not to lynch him when we now know he is the wolf, from the way i crucified dan yesterday his logic was crap and he wasn't planning forward. If Jack is the villager he also needs him not to vote for him , but he knows jack isn't going to vote for him if jack is the wolf .
Originally Posted by jackvance
To gator:
Wrong. The fact that you bolded me and the game isn't over yet, proves one of us two is the last wolf. Keith is hereby officially confirmed as a villager. { using this logic it also means bigred is angel as Jack was saying Dan was a wolf}
It's trivially obvious. The wolves need *one* villager to vote wrong and band to win. A confirmed villager voted for Dan. Game is not over although everyone who can still be a wolf is on, and would have banded on the villager already, so Dan has to be a wolf now.
Originally Posted by Keith_MM
Dan arguing that bigred is a wolf in the absence of any other angel candidates combined with sealing the warpe lynch I can only think you are the wolf.
the second wolf is whats bugging me. Alll game Gator has been making subtle wolf allegations against me whereas jack has been making more overt wolf allegations against me.
now i start to post some suspicion of Gator and no posts for a couple of hours and then Dan makes his angel claim
Originally Posted by jackvance
Ok Dan I actually believe you but ffs why didn't you rag on Big Red IMMEDIATELY, I mean I was suspicious on his haste and insta-bold and waiting for someone to counter-claim, my god why didn't you do that, it is SERIOUS fail, I see you were giving subtle hints now but that is not enough. Well atleast you didn't play me like a fiddle then . I always figured you were a villager because you pretty much started with the same opening statement as me, and we both took heat for it. But seriously if you had counter-claimed IMMEDIATELY we might have actually still won now I really doubt that Keith is gonna be able to figure everything out in this mess. Keith is still the confirmed villager because there has to be one wolf and one villager in each pair of (big red, Dan), (JackVance, Gator).
So the two wolves insta-bolded to try and entice a villager into bolding on a villager and still win after their embarassing 33% hit. That is why Big Red was displaying the same haste as Gator with his bolding and "village why isn't Dan dead yet" comment I was thinking that was weird I mean why is he in such a hurry, just like Gator?
Jack was SO sure that dan was a wolf and a angel claim later and i post suspicion about gator and he accepts every word and starts heaping suspicion on bigred and gator. Now the wolves had obviously been in discussion and i was swinging to suspect gator as the second wolf....did this prompt the plan to out dan as the angel and claim big red and gator were the wolves and instant win?.
Originally Posted by jackvance
This is where I am at Big Red:
- Dan has looked more like a villager than you all game
- I know Gator has to be a wolf because I know I am a villager
- Gator firmly vouched for your angel claim in a similar bullying sense as you are doing
- You seemed pretty eager to get people to bold Dan, similar to Gator who tried to get Keith to snap-bold me
- you and Gator have cast supicion on each-other in the game, which is standard wolf MO in case one of them gets caught, while I believe Gator never went for Dan
- the way you came out "I am the angel" was pretty convincing in the sense that you acted the way I expected you to act if you were the angel, but at the same time it was suspicious you insta-bolded and pushed so hard on getting others to bold alongside you
- I was ready to bold Dan, but your last post about coaching made alarm bells go off so thx for that one, whichever way this turns out
- Dan looks a bit like Willbur last game, in the sense that his posts were weird, but if you read them knowing his (possible) role, then they are suddenly consistent
- you're a lot more vague and not picking sides than I would expect you to act if you were reasoning from a villager point-of-view and not as a wolf level.. in fact this is pretty much how you'd be running a straight-forward wolf level, while Dan would have to be running a more elaborate one, going back to the start of the game where he dropped an angel hint, and even now he seemed to be doing an awkward attempt at a plan which is something I have not seen wolves do, even if his reasoning is kinda bleh, it's still a villagery thing to do
jacks actions through all of this are suspect especially the way they both sway towards bigred and gator being the wolves when i post some suspicion of gator.
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