Werewolf - Ship at Sea

Personally I think there is more of a chance that Willbur and carrot are wolves than carrot and keith and I would much prefer a willbur lynch than a keith lynch however since he is participating much more than last game I will hold off on that for now.

Another option is to lynch bigred. If his entire contribution to the game is going to be not-so-psychic cat then we may as well get rid of him now as this is a balanced strategy that helps him as a wolf or makes him useless as a villager.

So I say we lynch bigred

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

Rilla,don't we get to find out who the wolves attempted to attack i.e it gives the village info,if its wuf its logical , if it was me it gives me a defence from the attacks on me.

I must admit though that the above comment is pretty suspicious coming from an experienced player like Keith. He should know that the villagers never get to know who the wolves targeted.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

I must admit though that the above comment is pretty suspicious coming from an experienced player like Keith. He should know that the villagers never get to know who the wolves targeted.

This, and why would the wolves ever target keith when villagers have stated he's a target?

Also the comments about the vig shooting carrotz instead of lynching him were retarded.

I'm sure I'v eplayed in games where it said who the wolves have targeted.

I could get on a BRed lynch.

But for now I'm gonna say lynch XTR100

I Highhhhhhhhly doubt Keith is ever a wolf in this spot. For everyone coming up with lots of conspiracy theories about carrots and whoever look at the facts. This was carrots' first game as a wolf (I am pretty sure). He was just a bad wolf.

Sadly he was so engrossed on staying alive that he didn't really mention any other players in his posts except SDM so it's hard to get info from them. However, philly did agree wholeheartedly with carrots and asked the vig not to shoot on night 1. With a lack of better options for now I'll

lynch philly

though I can also get behind a BR lynch for the reasons gator mentioned and also because psychic cat or not he tried to lynch keith on day 1

Originally Posted by Roid_Rage

I'm probably more experienced than Stacks is fwiw. You obviously don't know this because you haven't been around long, but I used to post under another name and played multiple games under that one.

Just thought I'd level the playing field for you. Old name was dranger7070 if you want to go back and look at my old games or w/e.

I'm aware you are dranger, but I don't know how many games you've played in that name. Someone said somewhere that dranger has around 12 months behind him, I just looked at stacks' post count to reach the conclusion he was the more experienced. Obviously I could be wrong.

I'm not gonna go bolding based on this though, I recall fulsky getting himself lynched last game because he made a fuck up through inexperience, making suggestions that benefit the wolves, and fulsky turned out to be a villager. I just thought it warranted a mention to see how you guys respond. You're both suspect, but then everyone but wuf is.

Liking a BR wagon. He's a liability, and he clearly can't be bothered to contribute properly, so let's fuck him off. I just hope he isn't the angel.

Keith is a bad lynch, he's probably already been looked up, and the wolves know this, so either wuf will expose him soon or the wolves will nom him.

Also, what's with SDM's post? Is he the vig? Seems really fucking stupid to make that suggestion, whether he's the vig or not. If he is the vig, then we've lost him to the wolves. If he's not the vig, he's either getting shot or nommed very soon.

Oh yeah, lynch BR

Originally Posted by GatorJH

I must admit though that the above comment is pretty suspicious coming from an experienced player like Keith. He should know that the villagers never get to know who the wolves targeted.

I was thinking the same thing. As someone who enjoys lecturing me on the rules, this seems to be a pretty big oversight.

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

what ???everyone is saying....why not lynch SDM ..... I would rather have him shot by the vigilante tonight so that he can claim to be the seer today, protect himself if he's the angel , die if hes an ordinary villager or wolf . it just seems right somehow that he who kills villagers with the arrow shalt die by the arrow. But you might be thinking ......if hes the seer or the angel he'll be revealed to the wolves. Chances are that the wagon on him would roll anyway and he'd have to out himself anyway so we don't lose anything this way.
seems a win:win solution as we would preserve our seer from the vig.

This is one of Keith's early posts that makes me suspicious. Why the emphasis on me? If I'm such a "bad player", couldn't I just be ignored? This post looks wolfy to me because it looks like the wolves are looking for information to go on.

In the postgame discussion last game, he criticizes my shots for saying we have no info to go on. Now he is asking the vig to shoot with no info to go on. This is more than "loldiekeith" if you look at it objectively - he's made two plays (this post, and the one where he didn't know the rules) that are inconsistent with his play as a villager.

More an Keith. Assuming he was looked up, he's someone the seer has info on. Lynching him without a nod from wuf would waste his look-up.

I like a wilbur lynch more than anyone right now.

Lynch Wilbur

Haters gonna hate.

I think a Keith lynch is still valid.

Also, awful lotta players lying low this day with the usual suspects trying to hang each other

Originally Posted by Donachello

I Highhhhhhhhly doubt Keith is ever a wolf in this spot. For everyone coming up with lots of conspiracy theories about carrots and whoever look at the facts. This was carrots' first game as a wolf (I am pretty sure). He was just a bad wolf.

Sadly he was so engrossed on staying alive that he didn't really mention any other players in his posts except SDM so it's hard to get info from them. However, philly did agree wholeheartedly with carrots and asked the vig not to shoot on night 1. With a lack of better options for now I'll

lynch philly

though I can also get behind a BR lynch for the reasons gator mentioned and also because psychic cat or not he tried to lynch keith on day 1

hahah you are a moron...both wuf and jv said not to shoot....lets lynch the seer too!.....

DC is playing a similar game to last game....and hasnt said shit....wilbur is acting way different from last game and i could be on board with lynching him....also could be game with killing SDM because he pwns the village hard. Also JV is acting the way he did when he was a wolf/special....last game was the first time as a villager for him in a minute and he was a lot more talkative and a lot more active stirring the shit. How do people feel about JV? I am not saying lets lynch our best player on day 2 but i think he at least needs to be put on the sketchy list.

yea i hate to say it but i agree with (gulp) keith and stax.... lynch wilbur

Originally Posted by bigred

Also, awful lotta players lying low this day with the usual suspects trying to hang each other

The day is young, some people are still at work. Seems like you're trying to deflect attention, you just reinforced my bold.

i don't think Keith is a wolf, no one else overly stands out. so Lynch BR He gives us no useful insight.

Rescind BR

I'll bold him again later probably, just not keen on how fast his wagon is building. There's a few people yet to pitch in today.

i stated before the game I was gonna partipate. I couldn't be bothered last game as villager which is a really shit way to play for everyone.

I'm just a villager again. but wanna help with the win.

I stated that I thought Keith and Carrot where wolfs and one of them was. I'm still pretty sure Keith is but meh, I digress.

Rather than bolding participants like myself, maybe we could bold some of those lying low and get them to at least post?

Lynch Donachello

Heres why:

1. Carroters: "Also down for a keith lynch, since it's only a matter of time before he starts tilting the shit out of me." -post 37
Donachello: "because every one of your almost 500 posts on this forum has tilted the shit out of me" - post 54
2. Two posts defending keith, I think a villager be keeping a healthy skepticism and would hedge more. This seems like setting up for a 'i defended villager x and it turned out he was a villager' wolf post.
3. His reasoning for a philly lynch seems pretty flaky and bad.
4. Pretty low profile so far, kinda sneaky under the radar wolfish postcount.
5. Donatello is my least favourite TMNT.

Although I still kinda like a Keith lynch atm.

Originally Posted by Viscaro

2. Two posts defending keith, I think a villager SHOULD be keeping a healthy skepticism and would hedge more. This seems like setting up for a 'i defended villager x and it turned out he was a villager' wolf post.

FMP

Also, how do you wizards multiquote? Button does nothing for me.

Originally Posted by Viscaro

Lynch Donachello


5. Donatello is my least favourite TMNT.

Luls, his staff was mighty useful in the video games if some dick already took Leonardo.

Just got home and got to go and do 3 hours work but skimmed through and will read through later tonight and try and post more detailed responses .

With regards to the finding out who was attacked Like wilbur i could swear that in some WW in the past it was stated that a glow appeared around a named person when they were protected.It doesn't happen always but it only needs to have happened once for it to set a precedent.I do have a history of trying to push the limits of the rules with my suggestions.

For those people doubting me, and wilbur especially, i would like him to explain the following. When me and wilbur did it it wasn't just a case of going at each other , we had it set up so that JKDS would have to die . It was the beauty of the plan, wilbur was going to be unable to participate much because of work ( there thats new info for a lot that played the game) so I came up with the plan and wilbur was to call JKDS a looked up wolf after fake outing himself as the seer after me pressing for a wilbur lynch. JKDS dying would then show wilbur to be a wolf and give me cover. I n the process we would lose a wolf , give me good cover and get rid of a dangerous soul reading villager. The plan went a bit tits up when JKDS turned out to be a recruitable villain giving wilburs fake outing some credibility and putting heat on me. TLR (the seer ) backed me up saying that i was useful to the village etc and eventally the plan went through.
TLR defended me twice and i used that throughthe game to say that i had been looked up by the seer.
(wilbur and bigred both received the emails discussions that took place .Will be interested in whether they can confirm that this is how it occured)
Now having explained all that to the people who didn't play the game and are suspicious of me , having come up with an elegant plan originally ,

1. wheres the extra benefits this time around in getting rid of an extra dangerous opponent ( who else is being taken down like we did with JKDS)

2. Having done that , how is the survivor of me and carrots supposed to get away without being looked up by the seer? that lookup then would mean 2 dead wolves ,if me and carrots were both wolves. So if we both die where is the sense in doing it?.

3. People are asking why i would have been a target last night. Precisely because I am now liable to be looked up .The angel is likely to protect Wuf so the wolves could gamble that wuf looked me up last night and try and eat me to spoil a lookup. This is why i said way back that as a villager i am happy to be looked up but wuf should make the wolves guess when he did it.

i also found this curious comment for someone to make

i stated before the game I was gonna partipate. I couldn't be bothered last game as villager which is a really shit way to play for everyone.

your contributions this game amount to continual attacks on me and nothing else. Since me being likely to be looked up means that it would be stupid to attempt the line you are accusing me of. You say you were going to participate but if you were a villager it would be easy for you to just slip back and not take part. The fact that you are continually pointing at me me really makes me wonder whether you are actually participating because you got a role as a wolf and something to keep you interested.


back to work now ....but be back on later tonight

oh and viscaro .....you have shown yourself to not be very bright and a level 0 thinker so far this game (so your answers to my questions will be interesting as well) so i'll give you a hint ....creative use of copy and paste.

@viscaro

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

2. Having done that , how is the survivor of me and carrots supposed to get away without being looked up by the seer? that lookup then would mean 2 dead wolves ,if me and carrots were both wolves. So if we both die where is the sense in doing it?.

^^this is why I defended Keith. Also, because though his posts are FFFF long he usually is intelligent in these games.

Anyway, sticking with the philly lynch for now. However, if today ends up being a throwaway random lynch I'll happily lynch viscaro because of his atrocious reasoning thus far.

i actually like viscaro's line of thought regarding DC and not just because DC bolded me (although his dumbass reasoning behind it is pretty suspicious.)...obviously i think the part about both players using "tilt the shit out of me" is extremely weak and negligible the rest of his argument has some merit.

Also i think that if DC is a wolf Keith is like always a villager for reasons viscaro highlighted in "pt 2"

rescind wilbur lynch DC

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

2. Having done that , how is the survivor of me and carrots supposed to get away without being looked up by the seer?

This was why I finally concluded that both of you were likely villagers, because the seer was likely to look one of you up after your antics. I already stated that. However obviously Carroters was a wolf, so I have to rethink this. Explain why Carroters would do this as a wolf, when lynching you is a hard sell and he can just eat you if he thinks you are the uber dangerous super WWer you think you are?

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

3. People are asking why i would have been a target last night. Precisely because I am now liable to be looked up .

Ok so first its 'i'm never taking this line as a wolf ldo' then its 'seer is likely to look me up'? Why would he look you up if its so obvious your a villager? More importantly, WHY WOULD ANGEL EVER PROTECT YOU OVER HIMSELF/SEER?

Actually, I'm beggining to see the genius behind Keiths posts. Carroters likely had no plan to do this to argue with him, Keith just 'tilted the shit out of him' to fuck and induced his spew.
@philly I agree that DC as a wolf 99% clears Keith

Originally Posted by Viscaro

Lynch Donachello
5. Donatello is my least favourite TMNT.

I'm convinced

lynch Donachello


p.s. that can easily be replaced with Wilbur atm

Well seeing as I have picked up some more votes since I went to class I suppose I should respond a bit more clearly so the village avoids a mistake.

Originally Posted by Viscaro

Lynch Donachello

Heres why:

1. Carroters: "Also down for a keith lynch, since it's only a matter of time before he starts tilting the shit out of me." -post 37
Donachello: "because every one of your almost 500 posts on this forum has tilted the shit out of me" - post 54
2. Two posts defending keith, I think a villager be keeping a healthy skepticism and would hedge more. This seems like setting up for a 'i defended villager x and it turned out he was a villager' wolf post.
3. His reasoning for a philly lynch seems pretty flaky and bad.
4. Pretty low profile so far, kinda sneaky under the radar wolfish postcount.
5. Donatello is my least favourite TMNT.

Although I still kinda like a Keith lynch atm.

@1-2) Carroters referred to Keith while I referred to OngBonga. Unless you're trying to dig up some Freud shit there's no connection there.
3) my reasoning for philly is as solid as can be made on day 2 and certainly not any flimsier than yours it for me.
4) Granted I have kept a "low profile" whatever that means after 1 day. I find the first few days pretty trivial and tend to not really pay attention to them until later on in the game when it's easier to look back at day 1-3 and find connections. Feel free to look back at my previous games as both wolf and villager and find that I pretty much keep a "low profile" on these days regardless of my roll.
5) Donatello does machines dude so fuck you

Actually to elaborate on point 4. If we look back at last game for an example. The first few days were a TOTALY clusterfuck of villagers arguing amongst each other. When that's going on wolves don't even need to bother posting and often don't at all or if they do it's generally to nudge on an existing bandwagon, make a witty remark, or post some totally airy BS about how "no one stands out and they will thus wait for more substantial evidence."

Why would I be stirring up a new lynch candidate as a wolf?

Oh and while this post is already longish why not make it longer. Is it possible to read into last nights kill-fail that some of the wolves are newer or first timers? Maybe.

Are there a lot of newer/first timers who are being really quiet or that have bandwagoned me? Sure

Shrug, maybe there's no connection. I'd actually like to see XTR contribute for once so.

lynch XTR1000

rescind philly obv

lynch XTR1000

Originally Posted by fulksy

i don't think Keith is a wolf, no one else overly stands out. so Lynch BR He gives us no useful insight.

This is suspicious imo, it's why I rescinded. I wanted the time to read through the thread again, and now I've done that. Wilbur stands out for me, stacks too, but this post from fulsky just seemed to be an attempt to get the BR wagon rolling. The "no one else overly stands out" comment just seems like someone trying to stay neutral whilst not being too quiet. I'm pretty new to this, any regs think this is wolfy?

I could get back on the BR wagon pretty quickly myself, but I'd like to see more from fulsky, stacks and definitely wilbur before I bold BR again.

Nothing useful to say really (guess that makes me a useless asshole) other than I think WF is playing like he said he would so prolly isn't the best choice for a lynch right now.

Just had a look at the Warped Werewolf game, stacks was a villager and was way more active than he is now, despite having swine flu. This game he only seems to be piping up when his name is mentioned or to make a brief infoless comment. He's my #1 wolf suspect at the moment, so lynch stacks.

Originally Posted by Viscaro

This was why I finally concluded that both of you were likely villagers, because the seer was likely to look one of you up after your antics. I already stated that. However obviously Carroters was a wolf, so I have to rethink this.

perfect xample of you thinking on the most basic level out there. This is a game of deception and some of us thinking deeper .

Explain why Carroters would do this as a wolf, when lynching you is a hard sell and he can just eat you if he thinks you are the uber dangerous super WWer you think you are?

Just look at the start of last game , me and dan were both villagers and wagons rolled on me and when i pointed back at dan a wagon rolled on him in no time .People are always suspicious of me .To conclude as you did that carroters had no intention of pointing at me is soooo wrong.

He knew full well what he was doing. He was hoping that a wagon would start on me.He wanted to join a wagon on me , despite me pointing at supa last game.h wanted megone so i didn't tilt h . Loook at the reasoning by my first comment ,it was to tilt him and he made mistakes which i pointed out. We know that carrot was a wolf and his first comments are to talk about wanting to lynch me so its reasonable to assume that it could be a wolf plan to target me.

then look at who else was pointing at me and not doing much else, bigred and wilbur. Wilbur bringing up the argument that me arguing and he thinks both are wolves.They are aiming to get me lynched first.comments are being made that we are either both wolves or both villagers .So if I live and carrot dies, the implication is that we are both wolves and therefore I'm more likely to get lynched. If i was the one lynched though , and carrot lives the flipside then comes in and everyone assumes that we are both villagers arguing and carroters gains some excellent cover as a wolf.

This then starts to have the advantages of a plan i.e excellent cover for a wolf with an added benefit of getting rid of me.Unfortunately for the wolves carrot wasn't good enough to push through the lynch on me with this arguments because he was using terrible logic and making mistakes which i was pointing out meaning that the wagon on me never took off.

coming back to wilbur and bigred , they both knew about the plan when i won as a wolf and using a strategy to make added benefits. They were the ones this game pointing at me and trying to get me lynched. This is why they are my prime suspects. They were pushing the plan which would get me lynched , carrots cover when i'm shown to be a villager .


My next suspect is Dan for a couple of reasons. Normally he default attacks me on day1 usually as a joke lately but last game he could have been lynched by it. sovillager or wolf that would explain that. The interesting post came in post 63

Originally Posted by DanAronG

Jesus Fucking Christ you pair of fucking girls please just shut the fuck up. I say lynch one of them two closet cases just to stop the continuous pointless drivel that pours from their fucking fingers!

this reinforces the wolf plan to lynch either of us.The fact that carrot has been shown to be a wolf proves that my attacks on carrot were not poinmtless drivel as i was pointing out the faults in his logic .2 minutes later Bigred shows up with 2 postsand 15 minutes later carrot shows up trying to laugh it off and eing ashamed to have taken part in it. He knows hes doing badly, he hasn't got the wagon on me rolling like they planned and then he tried to retreat from the argument and claim that we were obviously both villagers.

bigred then lynches me

post 116 dan comes out with his attack on me aboiut wolves using the word nomming and attacking my suggestion to shoot the wolf so that we can try and get more info by lynching someone else.

first post of today wilbur tres to get me lynched again.Then SDM tries to get me lynched.post 141 dan keeps the suspicion pointed at me and says wilbur now looks dodgy after my post about him .....gaining cover dan?

#147 wilbur thinks hes losing the argument against him and tries to deflect nto the quiet ones

my other suspect is philly. He appeared in carrots first post where he wanted to lynch me and said to beware philly and lynched SDM.He's leading the attacks on Donachello who is supporting me and reluctantly lynches wilbur. phillys first post #59 was

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

yea i agree, every day 1 we have played is a crapshoot....and ragnar who said n00b wolves suck, if you read last game you would know that a team composed ENTIRELY of n00bs PWNED and only lost 1 wolf the whole game.

Based on last game where we all just relentlessly attacked eachother, i am not letting anyone use the "but i wanted this guy and that guy gone and they turned out to be wolves" or "i didnt want to lynch him and he turned out to be a villager" manuevers, its stupid to give people a pass for things like that.

that being said i am going to be true to my word and lynch SDM ....also please Vig heed carrots warning and do not shoot tonight, we have had 0 luck with 2 vig's who just popped caps in the villages ass the whole game, please wait until you have more information.

so he lied in the 1st paragraph as drange and TLR and philly were all repeat wolvesand most weren't first time players.He sticks to the wolf line of lynching SDM and reinforces carrots plea for the vig not to shoot.




I can't make my mind up about SDM , he could be a wolf being sacrificed to give cover as a highly likely target for most villagers after last game. Alternatively it could just be that it was a wolf ploy to get the day over quickly and the village gaining no info

my prime suspects are wilbur and bigred.

second tier are philly sdm and dan

outliers could be Donachello (trying to gain cover supporting me),viscaro and superhaole.

reasons for super is why does he need to know wufs reasons for choosing his lookups as that only benefitsthe wolves and villagers don't need to know it and backing up WF just.

I'm a little confused Keith, you say the wolves want you lynched first, yet the wolf line is the safe SDM route? If they wanted you gone that badly, they would just nom you on night 1, no? Ok, while the village are close to lynching you they will maybe hold back, but it doesn't make sense for the wolves to target one player so blatantly, it seems a terrible day 1 strategy.

I suspect the wolves would vote for myself or SDM, since we were the natural day 1 wagons. SDM didn't bold me, so I don't actually think he's a wolf or special, otherwise he would have felt a greater sense of urgency to level the votes.

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

reasons for super is why does he need to know wufs reasons for choosing his lookups as that only benefitsthe wolves and villagers don't need to know it and backing up WF just.

I knew my questioning wufs reasoning would put some heat on me but I guess I'm one of those mentally challenged you spoke of earlier (retraded asshole, now that's got a nice ring to it). Honestly I have issue with his decision to come out and am keeping my thoughts to myself for reasons that need not be mentioned.

As for WF, not so much defending just telling it like I see it. I mean, who's gonna listen to a retarded asshole anyway?

god keith would it kill you to summarize your thoughts in a few easy to read bullet points.

Sticking with my bigred lynch for now simply because we know he is going to be useless the entire game, but could definitely switch if people like XTR, JV and mbiz don't start posting soon.

Originally Posted by HoopyDude

Village is running good.

Regarding keith I'd be surprised if he and carrotz tried a big level so early on, seems to draw too much attention.

I'll vote later on in the day.

I just don't know what I think about you saying this.

The only thing that I can think of is that Wuf just got super lucky on night one. I don't know if you've ever been a wolf before, but I've been a wolf in a few games before, and Wolves don't start off on day one accusing each other. it's retarded

Logically the only way your statement would be warranted is if you're a wolf IMO. Also: If we lynch Keith and he's a villager, it doesn't relieve you, as a wolf would make your argument from vantage point.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

Sticking with my bigred lynch for now simply because we know he is going to be useless the entire game, but could definitely switch if people like XTR, JV and mbiz don't start posting soon.

I'm beyond useful and you know it!

If wuf has not done so already, Keith needs to be looked up. Unless wuf says so, I'm going to assume that he did and will not target him for the rest of the game. For now, I'm going to hitch my wagon to him. There is no bullshit late recruiting/invisible wolves/cheating with PMs in this game so I'm confident that a strategy of shooting at suspicious players and looking up the vets will serve the village well.

lynch wilbur

Will the wolves please eat SDM?

Originally Posted by fulksy

god keith would it kill you to summarize your thoughts in a few easy to read bullet points.

+ fucking 1

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

I just don't know what I think about you saying this.

The only thing that I can think of is that Wuf just got super lucky on night one. I don't know if you've ever been a wolf before, but I've been a wolf in a few games before, and Wolves don't start off on day one accusing each other. it's retarded

Logically the only way your statement would be warranted is if you're a wolf IMO. Also: If we lynch Keith and he's a villager, it doesn't relieve you, as a wolf would make your argument from vantage point.

wat

I don't think keith is a wolf and people were/are suggesting him as a lynch. Since he puts effort into this game lynching him this early is bad.

lynch XTR

ok - I can confirm for Keith that the game we played went down as stated. But I don't get your argument about not doing it again. Double, triple merge bluff etc...

I haven't actually bolded you Keith. Just stated that I think it likely you are wolf from the slanging match with Carrot.

I'm confident you'll be looked up at some point anyway, so lynching you isn't that important. You could defo be a help if you are a villager.

Where is XTR1000?

Originally Posted by WillburForce

ok - I can confirm for Keith that the game we played went down as stated. But I don't get your argument about not doing it again. Double, triple merge bluff etc...

I haven't actually bolded you Keith. Just stated that I think it likely you are wolf from the slanging match with Carrot.

I'm confident you'll be looked up at some point anyway, so lynching you isn't that important. You could defo be a help if you are a villager.

Where is XTR1000?

isnt the bolded points exactly why double triple bluffs are a complete waste of time because if i get looked up having tried it as a wolf the wolf team are two down and zero gain. And therefore why you continuing to point out that i could be a wolf makes you really suspicious or just really bad at thinking through the logic.
.

having read what i just wrote again , maybe i can make it clearer.

Wilbur has trouble understanding my argument that doing the attack on carrot as two wolves doesnt make sense because with my history i would bound to be looked up if he is shown to be a wolf . And then confirms my argument and contradicts his own by saying that he's confident that i'll be looked up at some point

Can you make your mind up Wilbur ?.

Originally Posted by fulksy

god keith would it kill you to summarize your thoughts in a few easy to read bullet points.

So a noob with no experience and nothing to contribute wants me to change my style which I find effective.

go on then bullet point #183 as you'd like to see it .

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Just had a look at the Warped Werewolf game, stacks was a villager and was way more active than he is now, despite having swine flu. This game he only seems to be piping up when his name is mentioned or to make a brief infoless comment. He's my #1 wolf suspect at the moment, so lynch stacks.

ok as a result of this comment I went and looked at this game as well and i think it was one of stacks early games and he was probably involved to take part......came up with this classic comment there though...some things never change.Can a MOD force it into his signature?the direct link is
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...eply&p=1884122

Originally Posted by StillDeadMoney

Well, I did kind of tell everybody who the wolves were.

I said "I never pick the right wolves", and that is exactly what happened.

But you're forgetting the spanner in the works - Carrot got boom head shotted.

You will only get looked up now after the arguement with Carrot and him being a wolf. But if he hadn't got found out so early...see my point?

Either way, I don't think we should lynch you. You're either a wolf on borrowed time or will be a helpful villager (though chill out with essays )

So I make an accusation at fulsky, and he completely ignores it, instead asking our essay writer to give the village less info. Last game he was pretty quick to defend himself against accusations (as a villager), this game he ignores it. This after he jumped onto a wagon that had a good chance of rolling quickly. During the Warped Werewolf game, there was a day in which a wagon went through so fast (2 hours) that the victim didn't even have time to defend himself... and the angel was lynched. While I'm happy to lynch BR, I don't want it to be rushed through.

Rescind stacks

lynch fulsky

I'm still not happy with stacks' contribution, but right now he's not nearly as suspicious as fulsky.

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

ok as a result of this comment I went and looked at this game as well and i think it was one of stacks early games and he was probably involved to take part......came up with this classic comment there though...some things never change.Can a MOD force it into his signature?the direct link is
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...eply&p=1884122

YouTube - George Costanza Does The Opposite

Why do we allow XTR to constantly sign up? He never posts...ever

lynch XTR

He has to be a wolf again this game..

I totally forgot about the Warped WW game. Was fun reading back through it.

@OngBonga - I just really have nothing solid to contribute at this time. I don't feel like writing out an essay based on very lame reads and suspicions, and would rather try to piece things together before I being pointing the finger. It might be a little different than how I acted as a villager in the Warped WW game, but that was nearly 2 years ago. Trust me, I'll contribute whenever I have something meaningful to say, and it will most likely come in the form of a Keith style rant.

At this time, I still like a Wilbur lynch for some reason, although I admit it's likely just mere suspicion. I'm also okay with lynching non-contributing members, such as XTR and BR, but is it really a viable option for wolves to lay that low still?

yea wolves def get away with it...

OK so i know this is going to draw a ton of heat on me but here is my plan for the VIG (why draw all this attention to myself as a wolf ? also if i was a wolf then why would i keep talking about specials when the seer has said not to hella times ).

I say we shoot BR/SDM so we still take advantage of the shots and do not risk the vig getting eaten without using them, while also limiting the chance of hitting the angel. This way if one of them are the angel they know they are going to get shot and they can come forward (I am not trying to "out" the angel...i am pretty sure neither of them are the angel based on their posting).

Obv they (BR+ SDM) do not help the village thats why people want to waste a lynch on them so this way we take advantage of shots, do not have the vig shooting a random person where the angel would not have a way to know if he was going to get shot, and we can take advantage of a low risk/ high reward play because nobody is going to mind if we lose SDM or BR yet if either is a wolf it would be huge.

Also a reason that we did not want to come to a consensus on the Vig's shots last game is because it let the wolves know who not to eat because that person was going down anyway, well in this case the wolves are never going to eat BR or SDM if they are villagers and with it still being early in the game the chances of wolves/vig going for the same person are far less.


Also @rilla i couldnt help but notice XTR hasnt even posted 1ce this game, yet Bode already got modkilled, is there a reason behind this? Oversight? Bode asked to be modkilled? XTR is a wolf and you didnt want to modkill a wolf?

as for who to lynch, DC's defense was whack as hell and im suprised nobody wants him strung up. I am game with a Wilbur lynch like i said earlier.

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

Also @rilla i couldnt help but notice XTR hasnt even posted 1ce this game, yet Bode already got modkilled, is there a reason behind this?

Bode never wanted to play, in the sign up thread he says 'out'. I'm also curious about modkills though.

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

Also @rilla i couldnt help but notice XTR hasnt even posted 1ce this game, yet Bode already got modkilled, is there a reason behind this? Oversight? Bode asked to be modkilled? XTR is a wolf and you didnt want to modkill a wolf?

Probably the best reason for lynching anyone we have so far imo. If we are lynching an inactive, then XTR deserves it moreso than BR. And likewise, it doesn't make sense that Bode was modkilled, while XTR wasn't. Rilla did make a post in the signup thread he would be modding it loose and fast, and there was concern about people not participating. It's absolutely plausible that he simply modkilled Bode due to inactivity, and that he isn't modkilling XTR due to him being a wolf.

I'm down for an XTR lynch over BR.

Originally Posted by Viscaro

Bode never wanted to play, in the sign up thread he says 'out'. I'm also curious about modkills though.

Oh I didn't see this in the sign up thread. Maybe Rilla isn't modkilling due to inactivity that quickly. Meh. If we are lynching due to inactivity XTR is still more deserving than BR.

Save the bullets. The vig killing randoms is more of a waste than lynching them. At least lynching them gives us list of people who either did or didn't vote for them. The vig killing them gives us nothing unless they are wolves and we can't have more than suspicions about anybody at this point.The vig dying tomorrow having not shot anyone is not much more of a loss than the vig dying tomorrow having shot someone, unless that shot hits a wolf or gives us info. The vig becomes useful later in the game once we have info.

Vig, don't shoot anybody just yet please.

That said, if I was the vig I'd be killing smoeone every chance I got, just for kicks, but I'm stupid.

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

as for who to lynch, DC's defense was whack as hell and im suprised nobody wants him strung up. I am game with a Wilbur lynch like i said earlier.

I still think DC is the best target. I don't know why everyone wants xtr100 killed so bad, lynching him gains us zero info even if he is a wolf.

Originally Posted by XxStacksxX

Originally Posted by Viscaro

Bode never wanted to play, in the sign up thread he says 'out'. I'm also curious about modkills though.

Oh I didn't see this in the sign up thread. Maybe Rilla isn't modkilling due to inactivity that quickly.

How dare you presume to know the mind of your God!?

Originally Posted by Viscaro

Bode never wanted to play, in the sign up thread he says 'out'. I'm also curious about modkills though.

This is correct. I haven't hammer-slammed XTR1k because, well, I hadn't noticed he hadn't participated. I'll contact him privately and see what's up.

Checking the scoreboard:

4 votes for XTR1000 (WillburForce, Donachello, HoopyDude, jackvance)
3 votes for WillburForce (Keith_MM, XxStacksXx, SDM)
3 votes for Donachello (philly, Viscaro, DropTheBanana)
1 votes for StillDeadMoney (Roid_Rage)
1 votes for Roid_Rage (mbiz)
1 votes for bigred (GatorJH)
1 votes for fulsky (OngBona)

Votes outstanding:

wufwugy
DanAronG
fulksy
kfaess
supahaole
bigred
Ragnar4
XTR1000

To xtr or not to xtr, that is the question!

Are we still doing the no vote in 2 days = mod kill?

If so, Wuf, vote someone with no chance of being strung up, and say what you are doing to avoid the above.

Or vote who you think of course.

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

yea wolves def get away with it...

OK so i know this is going to draw a ton of heat on me but here is my plan for the VIG (why draw all this attention to myself as a wolf ? also if i was a wolf then why would i keep talking about specials when the seer has said not to hella times ).

I say we shoot BR/SDM so we still take advantage of the shots and do not risk the vig getting eaten without using them, while also limiting the chance of hitting the angel. This way if one of them are the angel they know they are going to get shot and they can come forward (I am not trying to "out" the angel...i am pretty sure neither of them are the angel based on their posting).

Obv they (BR+ SDM) do not help the village thats why people want to waste a lynch on them so this way we take advantage of shots, do not have the vig shooting a random person where the angel would not have a way to know if he was going to get shot, and we can take advantage of a low risk/ high reward play because nobody is going to mind if we lose SDM or BR yet if either is a wolf it would be huge.

Also a reason that we did not want to come to a consensus on the Vig's shots last game is because it let the wolves know who not to eat because that person was going down anyway, well in this case the wolves are never going to eat BR or SDM if they are villagers and with it still being early in the game the chances of wolves/vig going for the same person are far less.


Also @rilla i couldnt help but notice XTR hasnt even posted 1ce this game, yet Bode already got modkilled, is there a reason behind this? Oversight? Bode asked to be modkilled? XTR is a wolf and you didnt want to modkill a wolf?

You have absolutely no idea how to play with an outed seer. I'm seriously starting to get mad

Do NOT talk about the vig, do NOT talk about the angel, do NOT speculate on who you think they are or are not.

I am NOT going to explain why because it will give the wolves valuable information. I could write a dissertation on why I am saying nothing about anything. The fact that I am even responding to this post will give a smart wolf information that I do NOT want him to have

Stop talking about the specials. We're doing our jobs perfectly so far

Actually, you can talk about me all you want. I am and will continue to play this game flawlessly. I will correctly use whatever is said about me against the wolves. But this is likely different for the angel and vig for reasons I won't mention. Do NOT try to alter the pool in which they're hidden, do NOT say things that will give the wolves any idea who you think they are, and do NOT attempt to convince them to do something other than what they're already doing

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

I say we shoot BR/SDM so we still take advantage of the shots and do not risk the vig getting eaten without using them, while also limiting the chance of hitting the angel. This way if one of them are the angel they know they are going to get shot and they can come forward (I am not trying to "out" the angel...i am pretty sure neither of them are the angel based on their posting).

This makes no sense.

The probability of me being any role conditional on my previous performance is the same as the unconditional probability of me being any role given that I've joined this game: i.e. I have the same chance of being the angel as anyone else.

do not have the vig shooting a random person where the angel would not have a way to know if he was going to get shot,

If I'm the angel I'm forced to protect myself, then the wolves would see the "well the vig shot and the angel blocked" message that night, sealing my fate the next day because my identity would be all but revealed unless the wolves can convince themselves the vig said he was going to shoot person A when in fact he targetted person B. If I'm the vig, I can't shoot myself. In any other case, it's a numbers game: we have a huge villager to wolf ratio, making a (for all intents and purposes) "random" shot at the chance I'm a wolf is a huge -EV move.

I'm going out of my way to not bold anybody or lend my hand in any way. I'm much more valuable to the village if I keep my mouth shut and observe than if I try to direct the traffic

Originally Posted by wufwugy

I'm going out of my way to not bold anybody or lend my hand in any way. I'm much more valuable to the village if I keep my mouth shut and observe than if I try to direct the traffic

I get that, but the wolves would be laughing if you got modkilled for not bolding, unless rilla isn't using that rule.

Rilla's a cool dude, he would let it be known that was his plan if he was gonna do it

Wuf, you have an enormous fucking ego.

I wanna hear from xtr.

Actually, fuck! I haven't bolded.

I'm prefering an XTR lynch at the moment for non-participation as that really annoys me. And he may well be getting modkilled soon which doesn't do us any favours.

lynch xtr

Originally Posted by supahaole

Wuf, you have an enormous fucking ego.

You don't come in the commune much, do you?