Werewolf - Collapse of Civilization

Originally Posted by DanAronG

You'r staement and your vote are not congruent, surely you should be voting for Bigred.

Bigred is hit or miss and a coin only has two sides so I could only choose two. I can't think of a game that either of the two I named made it a few (game) days in and didn't have a "Sorry for not posting I was yadda yadda yadda'ing"

Since roles like the turncoat and medium are going to play a huge factor (if and) in the late game, weeding out lower volume players seems like a solid strategy to play those scenarios better when the time comes.

"Weeding out KNOWN lower volume players" makes that post read more like I intended it to

Originally Posted by DropTheBanana

What am I missing here? We don't have a seer, right?

Read about the Dead role.

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Read about the Dead role.

Well I'll be...

Now the medium role makes a lot more sense.

boog cuz he doesn't even come to vote

although, it might be a cultural thing

Originally Posted by wufwugy

bong and tlr are both wolves

Can't really defend against a random accusation apart from saying... no I'm not!

I'm curious why boog has six votes for being absent, while warpe has just one. Let's not go lynching people before they post please, we don't want a dead angel on day one.

Originally Posted by gabe

if boog was a role he would have been here by now ? im not gonna try to lynch him but maybe he is a wolf

o rly

Originally Posted by gabe

it makes people spite vote u but also gets people talking / gets the info leakin. its day 1 geez

boog's life has been on the fritz according to fb since the hurricane and the loss of power and the internet

didnt know that. cant lynch boog now

rescind boog

lynch dtb because he made a good case for jumping on the boog wagon but instead chose hoopy so that means both dtb and boog are wolves and dtb is protecting the afk boog

Give me some credit for not being that fucking stupid please.

YOU GET NO CREDIT

hey rilla are you sure there's only three wolves because ive already clearly confirmed bong boog bikes dtb and tlr as wolves

bikes wuf and boog. Game over.

Seriously, if we've got absent players due to hurricanes and whatnot, shouldn't we be extending the deadline?

Originally Posted by wufwugy

hey rilla are you sure there's only three wolves because ive already clearly confirmed bong boog bikes dtb and tlr as wolves

We might be onto something with our stupid day one soulreads, we at least agree on two!

Well, yeah, geez, now I feel bad about BooG.

Wondering if the hurricane affected Winterpeg.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

I'm curious why boog has six votes for being absent, while warpe has just one.

Given both were absent, it was an easy choice. Warpe is really, really good and useful to the village. But now new shit has come to light, man.

I'd be willing to take DTB's line instead and get rid of a known floater.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Seriously, if we've got absent players due to hurricanes and whatnot, shouldn't we be extending the deadline?

How many are on the east coast besides Boog?

Lynch BigRed mostly 'cause of the drop in, spit out random crap and disappear act that he likes soooooooo much.

Originally Posted by Shotglass

How many are on the east coast besides Boog?

Lynch BigRed mostly 'cause of the drop in, spit out random crap and disappear act that he likes soooooooo much.

Disappear act?

I can't and won't refute the rest.

Originally Posted by bigred

Disappear act?

I can't and won't refute the rest.

I goota admit, though. Some of your random crap is pretty funny at times.

rilla,
I voted for bigred but am not on your list above.

I find it interesting that Boog, Warpe and ragnar are all absent even though everyone got a pm with their role AND the game was scheduled to start on a specific day.

I certainly don't think all three of them are wolves though but it would buthurt the village quite a bit if we lynch a villager AND all three of them get modkilled.

Of the three I would prefer to keep Warpe alive cuz if he posts he could be valuable to the village, but I could definitely go with either Ragnar or Boog if they don't show up.

for now though rescind bigred because he is, at least, participating

Originally Posted by Shotglass

I goota admit, though. Some of your random crap is pretty funny at times.

You can also admit I'm awesome. It feels good to be honest.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

for now though rescind bigred because he is, at least, participating

define participating. i'm just really, really bored

Originally Posted by bigred

You can also admit I'm awesome. It feels good to be honest.

Jack Daniels is awesome, but you're running a close second.

Originally Posted by Shotglass

Jack Daniels is awesome, but you're running a close second.

Yes it is and no he's not.

Wuf making jokes rather than long accusations makes me suspicious.

lynch Wuf

Originally Posted by supa

Yes it is and no he's not.

I was trying to be nice.

LOL

Bigredaments

i am also bored =(

Wuf IS being funny. It's refreshing. (C wut I did?)

I just see it as a meta move...a continuation of him trying to mix up his game. I don't see anything there...yet.

I hate this thread and most everyone in it!

NOW THAT'S AWESOME,

Originally Posted by WillburForce

Wuf making jokes rather than long accusations makes me suspicious.

lynch Wuf

ya is he already going for the erratic villager role? i think ive only played once with him so others might confirm the disparity

lynch wufwugy

Hey guys, what's going on in this thread!

Oh lawd!

Nice to see that TLR leads with "Hay guize, since this is more complicated than normal, lets lynch Ragnar" Not like I haven't actually helped the village late game in a lot of cases.

As for who is a wolf? Day one crap shoot. Boog can't contribute, I feel bad for him not being able to participate due to the tropical storm, but hey, there will always be one more werewolf.

Lynch Boog

Originally Posted by WillburForce

Wuf making jokes rather than long accusations makes me suspicious.

lynch Wuf

this is the first thing he has to be suspicious of... 6 page post incoming

rescing boog because he is a victim.

DTB makes a point with the afk thingy, so I'm down with lynching a rehular "sorry, I can't poist due to yadda yadda yadda" -er.

I can't remember who these are, but if banana man says hoopyu is one of them, I'm willing to take his word for it. I'm not going back and researching previous games on day 1. Lynch Hoopy

Lynch Bigred.
i don't think I've ever seen BR actually get lynched.

rescind wuf,
lynch hoopy

i think we can all agree on this one

I'm here guys. Yes, I lost internet but I have it now so that logic for lynching me goes out the window.

Lynch Ragnar for hopping on my bandwagon. It's barely been 24 hours. Why is everyone going for a quick day and an easy lynch?

I'm sticking with my Wuf lynch. From memory (incoming 6 page with links defence from the wufmeister) he is playing completely diff than usual.
This usually spells wolf.

(Plus Wuf sounds like wolf after a few beers)

rescind warpe lynch wuf

I wanna see the universe implode.

Originally Posted by DropTheBanana

There are a few names that more times than not end up making it to Day 4 or 5 and rarely post. I would rather take one of them out early and leave players who drop a lot of info in the game since this game's lineup is pretty stout.

A coin flip between Hoopy and Fulksy says I should say:

Well the past couple of times I've been eaten or shot by a deranged vig early on, and yeah I don't post as much as someone like wuf or soulread like rilla/Gator/Warpe but I usually try to come up with a few lists/ideas to help out.

Nobody has mentioned anything about lynching shotglass yet, pretty weird if you ask me?

I wasn't deranged when I shot you, I was drunk, there's a difference I'll have you know.

Originally Posted by Hoopy

Nobody has mentioned anything about lynching shotglass yet, pretty weird if you ask me?

Uh, you didn't either so it is really that weird?

rescind BooG

lynch Hoopy

Originally Posted by BooG690

I'm here guys. Yes, I lost internet but I have it now so that logic for lynching me goes out the window.

Lynch Ragnar for hopping on my bandwagon. It's barely been 24 hours. Why is everyone going for a quick day and an easy lynch?

This makes me suspicious for two reason's. Boog's train had slowed to a crawl so if ragnar was going for a "quick day" he could have thrown his vote elsewhere. Secondly we only have 24 hours from now so attempting to slow down the day could work in Boog's favor if the wuf votes keep piling up.

I am not convinced that wuf is a wuf (See what I did there? hehe), because I doubt he would change his game up THAT dramatically if he were a wolf. The last time everyone jumped on the "wuf is playing different" strategy he turned out to be a regular villager so I too think this could just be wuf getting better at balancing his game.

As for who to lynch today bikes and shotglass top my list because both of them are playing the flippant type of game where they make a lot of posts so they look active, but neither of them are providing much input.

For today I think our best option is to lynch bikes

I don't see anything suspect in shotglass' posts, but bikes on the other hand... I already think bikes and wuf are on the same team. Probably just day one crapshooting, but it's all I have right now. I'm happy to see wuf or bikes hang.

Two people have defended Wuf now, without him defending himself. Very strange.

Agree with the Bikes thing from Gator. Lots of posts with no content and ones liners is bad wolf play (I know I patented it).

Originally Posted by WillburForce

Two people have defended Wuf now, without him defending himself. Very strange.

Not at all. Simply because he made SUCH a big deal about it after DOJ, I'm pointing it out as a red herring and, by itself, a waste of time.

Put together with other evidence, you may have something.

"It" being his thinking changing up his gameplay style was a viable strategy.

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Uh, you didn't either so it is really that weird?

Looking back at old games it's always mentioned in the first few pages, either a wagon on the new guys or someone saying we should keep them alive because they make bad wolves.

bikes has been mentioned a couple of times but nothing about shotglass (who I thought would be snap lynched today), maybe I'm totally wrong but it seems odd.

Originally Posted by WillburForce

Two people have defended Wuf now, without him defending himself. Very strange.

Agree with the Bikes thing from Gator. Lots of posts with no content and ones liners is bad wolf play (I know I patented it).

Incase you haven't noticed it's day 1 :eyeroll:

Originally Posted by bikes

Incase you haven't noticed it's day 1 :eyeroll:

I agree, day one theres not alot to go on. So we go on what we have, which is previous games and experience.

In my experience wolves pop up on day, posting one liners and generally getting posts up without any "content" whatsoevas. You fit that bill.

recind Wuf lynch Bikes

Originally Posted by Hoopy

Looking back at old games it's always mentioned in the first few pages, either a wagon on the new guys or someone saying we should keep them alive because they make bad wolves.

bikes has been mentioned a couple of times but nothing about shotglass (who I thought would be snap lynched today), maybe I'm totally wrong but it seems odd.

Oh, are you thinking these guys are new? Bikes has played a bunch in the past. Shotglass, just once, in the last game, and it seems he wasn't horrible. So, he's the newest in a game of veterans but not an obvious disservice to the village and besides, I prefer lynching quiet guys and coasters to new guys at the moment - you get tons of information from new guys.

Originally Posted by WillburForce

Two people have defended Wuf now, without him defending himself. Very strange.

we're lynching wuf because he's playing differently? That logic hurts my brain.

Originally Posted by BooG690

we're lynching wuf because he's playing differently? That logic hurts my brain.

It's as good a reason as "hopping on my bandwagon" imo. There's not a lot to go on on day one, what's your motivation for attempting to derail this wagon?

Originally Posted by DropTheBanana

There are a few names that more times than not end up making it to Day 4 or 5 and rarely post. I would rather take one of them out early and leave players who drop a lot of info in the game since this game's lineup is pretty stout.

A coin flip between Hoopy and Fulksy says I should say:

Lynch Hoopy

Originally Posted by wufwugy

lynch dtb because he made a good case for jumping on the boog wagon but instead chose hoopy so that means both dtb and boog are wolves and dtb is protecting the afk boog

DTB did not make a case against boog, he made a case against fulksy and hoopy. Wuf took it as a case against boog, and bolds DTB as a result. Suspect, if you ask me.

Benny defends wuf and then bolds hoopy.

Gabe unbolds wuf and bolds hoopy when the heat was piling on wuf.

Gator defends wuf then goes for bikes.

Wilbur unbolds wuf and goes for bikes.

Boog doesn't like a wuf lynch.

Overall, I think lynching either bikes or wuf gives us by far the most information, certainly more than what we'd normally expect to get from a day one lynch. I'm sticking with wuf, and if he's a wolf, we should string up bikes very quickly and look at the info we have from that.

I personally enjoy playing with Wuf. I probably shouldn't bring that into my decision~making but it's Day 1 so meh.

Yes, my logic last night was horrible. It was 3 in the morning and I kinda threw together a quick post. I guess I was a bit annoyed at seeing a day 1 bandwagon happening w/o me posting after we all should remember what happened with redzill4.

lol @ making it about wufanugy

THIS IS WHAT HE WANTS!

I enjoy playing with wuf, but that should not make him unlynchable on day one.

Originally Posted by BooG690

...we all should remember what happened with redzill4.

What happened with redzill4? Before my time I think.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

What happened with redzill4? Before my time I think.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post1923827

Zilla was being aloof and not participating, didn't defend himself, got lynched Day 1, was the seer, I'll add the village won anyway.

But that was more about Zilla's poor performance than bad village strategy, BooG.

Yeah I figured it would be a special lynched before he could out himself. I'm all for putting heat on absent players to force them to post, but I would not like to see someone nailed up before they have chance to out themselves in the event they are important.

What are we going to do about warpe if he hasn't turned up by the end of the day? How long before he's modkilled?

Originally Posted by TLR

It is pretty clear that the village needs to come up with some sort of algorhitm for lookups by the dead to minimze the cases when multiple deads look up the same person, this algorhitm is dependant on the unknown value of % of success of lookups

This seemed to go unanswered. Should villagers who are about to die announce who they intend to scan to avoid double look-ups? Or should we keep quiet and wait for the medium to out himself and declare the info he has gathered? We should probably come to a consensus before the day is over.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

This seemed to go unanswered. Should villagers who are about to die announce who they intend to scan to avoid double look-ups? Or should we keep quiet and wait for the medium to out himself and declare the info he has gathered? We should probably come to a consensus before the day is over.

Without knowing the chance of success it is hard to come up with a mechnism that will provide good results, but for lack of better reason lets assume a 50/50 chance.
To have someone post it before they die is not a great solution for two reasons - one is that those that die at night cannot post it, and once you know someone is dead the day can end without them posting.
We also cannot define an algorhitm that will be exploitable by the wolves to avoid lookups or to know who was definitly looked up and thus is a probable confirmed villager

Given all this I am not sure I have any good suggestion. The only sensible thing I came up with is to divide the village into subgroups - 3 or 4 players to a group, and define the order of lookups between groups, so that whenever soneone dies they pick someone from the next group and look them up

Originally Posted by OngBonga

This seemed to go unanswered. Should villagers who are about to die announce who they intend to scan to avoid double look-ups? Or should we keep quiet and wait for the medium to out himself and declare the info he has gathered? We should probably come to a consensus before the day is over.

It'll be difficult to keep track once the wolves start eating villagers and the vig starts dropping people.

With an even number of players it would be easier. Then we could work on a "buddy system" and no matter the circumstance, that player looks his partner up.

If we are going to do something like this and pre-determine dead lookups, I say we assign partners after we decide who gets lynched today but before the final vote(s) go in since we'll technically be at 20 players.

Then the medium has a choice as to who he wants to look up once we start losing 2-3 people a day and make his part of the look-ups slightly less random.

Originally Posted by DropTheBanana

It'll be difficult to keep track once the wolves start eating villagers and the vig starts dropping people.

With an even number of players it would be easier. Then we could work on a "buddy system" and no matter the circumstance, that player looks his partner up.

If we are going to do something like this and pre-determine dead lookups, I say we assign partners after we decide who gets lynched today but before the final vote(s) go in since we'll technically be at 20 players.

Then the medium has a choice as to who he wants to look up once we start losing 2-3 people a day and make his part of the look-ups slightly less random.

As I said in my post above the buddy system is bad, since it tips the wolves on who are the verified (and thus tastier) villagers

Originally Posted by TLR

As I said in my post above the buddy system is bad, since it tips the wolves on who are the verified (and thus tastier) villagers

They just know who the dead people have looked up, not who the medium chose to verify.

Playing against the "partner list" would be counter productive for the wolves. It would be impossible for them to keep up since (more than likely) we will be down 5 villagers by Day 3.
Plus, they still have to play the guessing game with which dead person the medium contacted. All the while ignoring in-game aspects to target "possibly verified" players.

It might not be a genius idea, but it seems solid in my mind.

Hold on. I might want to take that idea back, knowing the wolves could keep their "partner" alive and thus adding a sick game aspect. lkhsddfukhasdifqewqweuriquhadsfh


Ignore my last few posts.

It's an interesting angle that rilla has thrown in here. It's hard to find the optimal play for the village. If we start announcing who we intend to scan, it is likely to influence the wolves' nom choice. For example, if I were to say that wuf is my scan choice if I die tonight, a non-wuf wolf team might decide I'm a good target for nomming, since they know I won't scan a wolf.

I think when I die, I'm just going to pick someone at random. The problem of double-scanning isn't that much of an issue, it just increases the chance of a successful scan. If scan success is 50%, someone scanned twice is 75% likely to be exposed.

I guess it's better to keep as much info from the wolves as we can.

The discussion about us keeping lookup info close to the chest is bang on...it was key to the DOJ victory.

We've got 6 hours to go and we have no momentum.

I maintain that in late game, it's really difficult to tell the Omega personalities (who merely drift and follow) from wolves appearing villagery. We've got no real evidence yet on Day 1 so would be best to weed out those who aren't assets to the village in late game...we've got a 20% chance to hit a wolf/turncoat and failing that, a 100% chance of keeping our best villagers.

Hoopy, lolzzz and fulksy are these kind of guys to me. And to those 3, if you disagree with me, you can change how much you participate and offer.

DTB and TLR:
Forgive me for being stoopid, but I really believe that both of your points are ignoring the fact that even though each dead villager gets to do an instantaneous seer power by a lookup, it still does not allow either he village OR the wolves that knowledge unless:
1. the dead lookup actually works (noone knows the % chance) and
2. the medium actually makes contact with a dead who was able to succesfully perform a look up.

Seems like a push to me.

@ Gator - my flippant style last night was due to some Jack and just wanting to have some fun.

I almost switched my vote to wuf because I was waiting to see a long winded defensive post from wuf when Benny and Gator came to his defense. The combination of his change in game play and their defense has me suspicious.

I'm still sticking with a vote for Red because of what previously wrote, unless I see some good evidence to change my mind.

This is why women shouldnt be allowed to vote!

I wasn't deranged when I shot you, I was drunk, there's a difference I'll have you know.

rescind BooG

lynch bikes

Maybe the best way to deal with the dead looking people up is to just let it play out and see what happens because we don't know the success percentage? The chances of someone being looked up twice are small and any system will be exploited by the wolves to some degree. Like Benny said keeping lookup info secret is important.

Thoughts about the medium outing early on? Since the angel can't protect themselves it might be better to protect the medium early so we can get a steady stream of info and don't risk them being randomly nommed.

Originally Posted by bigred

This is why women shouldnt be allowed to vote!

How did my mom tell me to say that....

Oh yeah...

Men are like a tile floor. If you lay it right the first time then you can walk all over it.