***WEREWOLF CLASSIC GAMEPLAY THREAD***

[badgers]

i was not a wolf last game..

the reason I'm trying to get a bandwagon going is because the first day is a total crapshoot and I can't believe it has taken 3 pages to randomly pick a lynch target. just kill someone already!!

[surviva316]

honestly keith, go back and reread my "defense of JKDS" and tell me what was suspicious about it. surely it can't just be suspicious to shoot down someone's argument when someone makes a stupid argument that everyone's bandwagoning.

i wasn't even defending JKDS, i was just saying surely there's something better we can go by then how many capital letters are in someone's name and by the fact that we can guess that at least one of the wolves knows that warpe is a good villager.

if you wanna vote JKDS, go ahead, but i'm gonna use my vote on more useful things like figuring out why the hell stacks is acting so strange (although supposedly it's also suspicious that i suspect him? i don't know i think your argument made more sense in your head than it does in theory)

[surviva316]

so to recap your line of thinking has been:

lynch surviva 'cause he's defending salmon and the non-contributers ---> lynch surviva 'cause he's defending JKDS ----> lynch surviva 'cause he's suspicious of stacks and JKDS and stacks are both wolves

all the while not even addressing anything about any of my posts (and there have been like hundreds to pick at) that is suspicious or pointing out evidence that i'm misleading the village or anything like that.

[huntingsalmon]

A bandwagon was developing for JKDS and surviva starts defending him. why, for what reason , all the villagers know at the moment is that Warpe is dead . Then boog gets thrown up as a candidate by Spenda which derails the JKDS option and surviva jumps on the boog bandwagon.
give it a bit longer and spenda is now changing and saying stacks.He just seems to be disrupting things and could this Stacks nomination now be a classic piece of misdirection cooked up by the wolves discussing strategy. some of the wolves defending each other , while others nominate each other. If the villagers go with Spenda's Stacks nomination and Stacks is revealled as a wolf then Spenda must be innocent .....yeah right leaving him free to continue disrupting the villagers attempts at narrowing down their suspects.
in summary , my suspicion is that stacks spenda JKDS and surviva are the wolves acting in unison.

So how about we lynch stacks and if he turns out to be a villager we lynch Spenda? You ok with that Spenda? How committed are you to the Stacks lych?

i was not a wolf last game..

the reason I'm trying to get a bandwagon going is because the first day is a total crapshoot and I can't believe it has taken 3 pages to randomly pick a lynch target. just kill someone already!!

Not the last game you played mate, the last game you played when you actually were a wolf.

[bigspenda73]

i love ppl that think they already know 2,3, or even all 4 wolves, jesus even I'm not that conceited

[bigspenda73]

lol i love the whole "if he's not a wolf then we have to lynch you"

if people aren't allowed to be wrong then this shit will be over in a hurry

[huntingsalmon]

That's not what I'm saying Spenda, I asked you a question, consider the following.

rescind boog

xxlynchxx xxStacksxx

definitely lynch stacks

damn, I'm becoming predictable, don't worry stacks, you're not the worst villager ever, you're one of the worst wolves ever, big difference

def. lynch stacks

don't need logic when it's this obvious, plus revealing why you're a wolf will help your partners play better, something I'm not interested in talking about til the game is over.

So how about we lynch stacks and if he turns out to be a villager we lynch Spenda? You ok with that Spenda? How committed are you to the Stacks lych?

lol i love the whole "if he's not a wolf then we have to lynch you"

if people aren't allowed to be wrong then this shit will be over in a hurry

You don’t seem so sure anymore Spenda, now you could be wrong? Why do you want to lynch stacks?

[GatorJH]

spenda throws out these lynch nominations to see how certain people respond to them as that will play a pretty good factor in finding other wolves whether that is today or some future day.

Therefore, don't overthink his strategy as it is a good one for a villager, but actually not a very good one for a wolf. I definitely think Spenda is a villager at this point but would also like to know why he moved over to a Stacks lynch. I could jump on either that bandwagon or the JKDS bandwagon.

[bigspenda73]

damn this hunting guy is really good at hitting the quote button, unfortunately that's about where his useful skills end. Hey, if I ever need anyone to copy/paste something for me, you're my guy!

gator don't salute the officers plz

[huntingsalmon]

You would say that, ya know being a wolf and all

[surviva316]

i don't think that's like the most compelling defense for spenda not being a wolf (especially if this is how he always plays). he might just have spurted a name out that no one had mentioned and who had been pretty quiet, and then when they go all wtf? BELIEVE ME on us, say yup he's definitely a wolf.

that being said, stacks has some 'splainin to do for his oober strange reaction to spenda's vote

[surviva316]

oh a few posts went up while i was typing that. the "that's not the most compelling argument" thing was referring to gator's comment

[huntingsalmon]

Sorry, my last post was in response to gator not spenda

damn this hunting guy is really good at hitting the quote button, unfortunately that's about where his useful skills end. Hey, if I ever need anyone to copy/paste something for me, you're my guy!

gator don't salute the officers plz

Right….so you mock people making notes on other players, mock people for quoting relevant posts to the argument/question, and completely avoid answering any questions on your secret reasons for lynching somebody, all the while dropping the occasional light hearted quip.

I should think it obvious why I quoted you so many times Spenda, have you got any intention of answering my questions?

[badgers]

hate to dwell on this when i can't even remember what point you were making

i was not a wolf last game..

the reason I'm trying to get a bandwagon going is because the first day is a total crapshoot and I can't believe it has taken 3 pages to randomly pick a lynch target. just kill someone already!!

Not the last game you played mate, the last game you played when you actually were a wolf.

the last game i was a wolf I was recruited in the last day so whatever point you were trying to make is irrelevant

[surviva316]

.....jfc.......

[bigspenda73]

it's going to be so nice when stacks is a wolf b/c then we get the added benefit of snap-lynching this salmon guy, it'll be like the first two nights of Channukah when your parents gave you like a helmet night one (and you went wtf helmet?) and then a bike on night 2!

[huntingsalmon]

hate to dwell on this when i can't even remember what point you were making

i was not a wolf last game..

the reason I'm trying to get a bandwagon going is because the first day is a total crapshoot and I can't believe it has taken 3 pages to randomly pick a lynch target. just kill someone already!!

Not the last game you played mate, the last game you played when you actually were a wolf.

the last game i was a wolf I was recruited in the last day so whatever point you were trying to make is irrelevant

Sorry, my fault. I'm talking about the last game I READ when you were a wolf, not necessarily the last game when you were a wolf chronologically speaking.

Please note the point I was trying to make may still be irrelevant.

[surviva316]

Please note the point I was trying to make may still be irrelevant.

this should be your signature, imo

[bigspenda73]

I'm the reason god invented condoms and falconpunches

this should be your signature, imo

fyp

[huntingsalmon]

it's going to be so nice when stacks is a wolf b/c then we get the added benefit of snap-lynching this salmon guy.

Why?

You are being stupid and misleading (whether intentionally or not I have no idea) at no point have I said that stacks is, or is not a wolf.

You are also still neatly scuttling sideways, like a wolfish little crab, answer the questions please.

[huntingsalmon]

Please note the point I was trying to make may still be irrelevant.

this should be your signature, imo

Silence please.

[bode]

heres some strategy for you overthinking WW fish. The only person on the list that has not posted yet is TLR (fairly sure atleast). He is as good a lynch as anyone right now.

lynch TLR

[surviva316]

he did post once. it was the one about voting someone who was in the last game. but he is a mod so you would think he would be on enough to contribute more than that. it's as good of a bite as anything else we've had

[huntingsalmon]

He has posted twice

[huntingsalmon]

Well I'm going out to get pissed now anyway, when I come back I expect this thread to be at least 8 pages long and to be dead somehow.

[bode]

He has posted twice

well fuck me then. i didn't check the whole thread, just didn't remember seeing him post. Is there anyone that hasn't posted?

[badgers]

tlr made an excellent post highlighting the correlation between wolves and capital letters in names hence JKDS must die.

[GatorJH]

that being said, stacks has some 'splainin to do for his oober strange reaction to spenda's vote

This and his "looks like I am being lynched so gg everyone" when there were only like 2 votes against him seems pretty wolfy to me.

finally I am still bitter about the Gauntlet suckout so.......

lynch stacks

[BooG690]

Wow. And we STILL haven't got a bandwagon going or anything?

I personally find it crazy that a small bandwagon against Stacks. Spenda holds a lot of weight with his votes...or his random votes may force others to view posts in a more critical lens. His random votes bring about reactions...and Stacks' defense seven hours later (out of nowhere...even with nobody jumping ON the Stacks bandwagon) was quite suspicious. Maybe he got nervous of a bandwagon forming and figured he'd defend himself right then? Maybe he's throwing some kind of level out there...something in the sense of "Stacks would never be THAT obvious. He can't be a wolf."

Who knows? It's only day one (still). According to the 24 hours lolzzz threw out there, we have until about 12:30am EST to make our decision.

Stacks' random defense on Fri, 10 Jul 2009, 1:44am is curious and well worth a look (please notice how out of place it is...Stacks was not under much pressure to have to defend himself). I will not be voting just yet as I am still looking over the wealth of posts (four pages on day one...you can't say we have no information). Good luck all.

[huntingsalmon]

K let's trust in teh spenda and see how it goes



lynch stacks

[Stacks]

You guys are so incredibly far off base. And when it's announced that I'm a villager, please lynch the hell out of Spenda's wolf ass.

I know I'm not the greatest WW player, and I know I wouldn't be the most cunning wolf. However, does anyone here really think if I was a wolf I would have freaked out and attacked Spenda, who everyone knows has like the most control over bandwagons, when he jokingly threw my name out? I even acknowledged that it was a joke because my first response was telling him how much I still love him.

Would I really make a scene, and subsequently call him out even further drawing even more attention to myself, rather than keep a low profile and let BooG, JKDS, or another take at least the Day 1 lynchin?

Like, I'm really not going to fight the lynch, because like I said, Spenda has already put the hounds on me. But in all honesty, when I come back as a villager, please lynch Spenda. He is already dead-set that I am a wolf, and is already saying that as soon as I am a wolf that people like HuntingSalmon will also prove to be a wolf.

So when I am just a villager, it will prove that Spenda is in fact a wolf, so lynch him, and don't let him persuade you otherwise. Especially when he does some shit like "Lynching me is the worst thing the village could do at this time. Yeah I know I was wrong about the Stacks lynch, and he turned out to be a villager, but that's just what happens." When in reality if you come in saying you are this sure, and when you get proven wrong, then you shouldn't get to stay much longer.

Spenda still has yet to give any type of notion as to why I am a wolf. He's attacking me because I guess he thinks I could possibly cause future problems for him and his wolf pact.

If you think I would have played this poorly as a wolf, and that I wouldn't have had enough sense to stay a bit more low-key, and not call out the game's most influential player, then by all means go ahead and lynch me. I mean honestly, you will, or at least should, feel dumb when the results of the lynching comes back as "XxStacksxX, a regular villager, died today".

So as my last proposal.. If you choose to let me live, I can guarantee you my innocence. Whether you believe it or not, time will tell. I am also quite weary of Spenda's identity, and would continue to put pressure on him, and his wolf pact, until they grow tired and eat me (likely Night 2 if I survive the lynch... Hey Angel).

If you choose to kill me, do a dying village brother one last favor... And string Spenda's ass up the next night. Noone can be this sure of something, and be wrong, without facing some sort of consequences. Do it for the number of times he will steer you wrong in the future. Do it for how little thought/logic he put into this lynching. Do it because he's a fucking wolf.

[blackatom]

how in the fuck is this still going on

[Stacks]

Wow. And we STILL haven't got a bandwagon going or anything?

I personally find it crazy that a small bandwagon against Stacks. Spenda holds a lot of weight with his votes...or his random votes may force others to view posts in a more critical lens. His random votes bring about reactions...and Stacks' defense seven hours later (out of nowhere...even with nobody jumping ON the Stacks bandwagon) was quite suspicious. Maybe he got nervous of a bandwagon forming and figured he'd defend himself right then? Maybe he's throwing some kind of level out there...something in the sense of "Stacks would never be THAT obvious. He can't be a wolf."

Who knows? It's only day one (still). According to the 24 hours lolzzz threw out there, we have until about 12:30am EST to make our decision.

Stacks' random defense on Fri, 10 Jul 2009, 1:44am is curious and well worth a look (please notice how out of place it is...Stacks was not under much pressure to have to defend himself). I will not be voting just yet as I am still looking over the wealth of posts (four pages on day one...you can't say we have no information). Good luck all.

Damn lol.. I really should have read this response before posting my last post. BooG, you are already a better WW player than poker player .. You should stop spewing in the ftr irc games.

Anyways, This is how I think things are working in the wolf pact right now. Spenda is a wolf. And as we all know he is running the shit out of them.. He has formulated some master plan and even likely written a guide on how to pwn bitchez in WW. He's good, and I'm not going to doubt that.

However, he carries a shitload of weight when it comes to bandwagons. Maybe more weight than any one person should. If he's a wolf that's great. He can direct his fellow wolfs into other less suspicious directions. He can pinpoint the one player he feels could potentially be a threat later on in the game, and he can get the bandwagoning horde on his side to take out the innocent villager.

I promise you that I have read enough WWs to know that just because you get 1 vote against you, that you should not overreact if you want to keep off radars. I knew wholeheartedly that when I called out Spenda asking for some logic on his vote, even before the bandwagoning were to begin, that I would draw some attention. Would a wolf really do such at thing on Day Fucking 1 of all days? Would a wolf really even do this shit at all? Calling out BigSpenstar, when it's obvious he has at least 7 players at his call ready to string anyone up he deems worthy? Hell fucking no a wolf would not do that.

However, a villager who already felt he has found one of the wolves, and wanted to hear if the wolf could give any reasonable logic as to why he was throwing out innocent people to lynch would very likely call him out. So, I did. And I got the response I expected. That is no reasonable response or any logic at all. It's very clear to me already that Spenda is the Alpha Wolf. I understand everyone' s hesitancy, but if I died maybe it will be clear to you also.

Or you can let me live, and I will clear it up, and reveal Spenda's identity as soon as I can find more compelling evidence that you guys will believe.

If you want to fall into a trap this early in the game, and already have a wolf running shit throughout the village, then like I said by all means, lynching me will achieve just that. If you do not want to go that route, and you want to get rid of a wolf, then let me live.

Cliffnotes: I am a villager. Spenda is the Alpha Wolf. Let me live. If I do die, lynch Spenda's cunning ass.

[Stacks]

it's going to be so nice when stacks is a wolf b/c then we get the added benefit of snap-lynching this salmon guy.

Why?

You are being stupid and misleading (whether intentionally or not I have no idea) at no point have I said that stacks is, or is not a wolf.

You are also still neatly scuttling sideways, like a wolfish little crab, answer the questions please.

Lol... How can you vote to lynch me after Spenda has already put an incorrect, yet still a correlation, between us? Spenda is effectively saying you are also a wolf.

I guess you could be doing it so that when I am a villager, then your name is cleared. Which leads me to think you are indeed wolfish in character. I think I will vote at this time.

I don't think there is any way a Spenda bandwagon is happening at this time, even though it should. I think you guys could have easily mistakenly linked each other already. Plus you already have a bandwagon going, and I would like to see Night 2 (that is when the wolves will eat me for outting them already btw. Which leads back to Lynch Spenda).

Lynch Hunting Salmon

[WillburForce]

the man protests to much.

change vote.

lynch Stacks

[Stacks]

i've never played werewolf with stacks before, so i don't know about "this is different from how he usually plays" but i can certainly say that it's different from the articulate, patient, thorough spoon-feeder that i see in the BC.

My posts only seem out of character because I have a few things I'm trying to clear up already. (1) I obviously don't want to get lynched. So I have to try to clear my name. But also (2) I'm already sure of one of the wolves. And it turns out to be the most influential player in this game. Which means, I have quite the work cut out for me to not only clear my name when Spenda says I'm guilty, while also gathering enough evidence to convince others that this influential person is in fact a wolf himself. So it's quite the daunting task to overturn my votes in favor of the individual whose words carry the most weight in this game.

So yeah, I have been all over the place trying to do this in any way possible. Which is hard obviously. And I'm obviously lost on how to do this.

[Stacks]

Okay.. Yeah go ahead and lynch me.. I'm perfectly fine with this. If everyone is this far off track already, then it isn't going to be all that great of a game anyways. I'd rather go out early, instead of getting deep with things incredibly fucked up anyways. Plus I think my death might be pretty beneficial to the village, if you guys will just follow through on what my death tells you about Spenda and how he is in fact a wolf.

I'm done trying to clear my name. No-one here is wanting to hear it because Day 1 is taking too long. As I said fine. Do the deed.

[surviva316]

i mean i agree with you stacks that if you were a wolf you wouldn't want to be lynched so you wouldn't make it obvious that you were a wolf...but if you were a villager you would also not want to be lynched and not wanna make it seem that you're a wolf. so i think we can kinda disregard that entire part of the post.

*DISCLAIMER** it prolly looks suspicious for me to come down too hard on EITHER side of this discussion, so i'm just gonna go with the most suspicious loooking line.

as for the rest of your post, saying that "it is very clear to you that spenda is the alpha wolf" is once again changing your story. now you've gone from "i have my suspicions" to "i'm not gonna tell 'cause i don't wanna get eaten" to "well all my suspicions have been addressed anyway so i don't need to talk about my suspicions" to "OMG SPENDA'S A WOLF!!!" i'm not like 100% or even 50% sure that you're a wolf or anything, but your story is adding up far less than anybody else has so far.

furthermore, i think your certainty that spenda is a wolf is fake even if not for having to resort to the proof that you've changed your "i have suspicions" line like eight times. i mean i was the one who brought up spenda's name in the first place as a non-contributor but after others said that this is just how he plays, i've had a hard time reading anything into any of his posts other than he's just as much of an ass in WW as he is in BC. the only way you've gained "certainty" over spenda being a wolf is if you're the seer, and if you're the seer and you've already found the alpha wolf, then speak up 'cause it's well worth you getting eaten.

so, barring the possibility that you are certain due to being the seer, either you're just posting a revenge lynch 'cause betting your life on spenda being a wolf is your best hope of getting the heat off of you, or you are in fact a wolf.

[WillburForce]

wow -these long posts and long day....just looks like Stacks is the Alpha.

gg village?

[Stacks]

I assure you I am not posting a revenge lynch. And obviously my certainty of Spenda being a wolf will grow as he continually calls me out without any logic behind it.

I am very certain of Spenda's identity. I can with 100% confidence at this time say that either he is the Alpha wolf, or he is off his game, and a terrible misguided villager. None of which is good for the Village. For even if he isn't a wolf, he carries so much weight in his bandwagons that he will undoubtedly kill numerous other villagers when he guesses wrong next time. As he obviously will if he's a wolf.

All I want is for my death to not be useless to the Village. When I die, lynch Spenda. He has said he is certain I am a wolf, but has not said why. Seriously, how can you guys let that fly? And if I die, when I get revealed as a villager, it should become obvious that Spenda is a wolf. I'm no longer fighting to stay alive. I just want to at least take down one wolf with me. And that wolf is Spenda.

[Stacks]

wow -these long posts and long day....just looks like Stacks is the Alpha.

gg village?

lol.. wow.. Such incompetence. GG Village.. You have succeeded in falling into the likely Alpha's trap. Please feel as stupid as you want when the lynch results come back.

Rescind HuntingSalmon

Lynch XxStacksxX

Just to make it easier. My death is probably the best thing for the village, IF ONLY YOU CAN LYNCH SPENDA AFTER THE FACT.

[surviva316]

you guys are meanies. i don't wanna play anymore

[surviva316]

btw i gotta go to work. don't know if i'll be back in time for the 12:30 deadline so i'm voting lynch stacks. i mean who else has looked more suspicious?

[GatorJH]

the man protests to much.

Exactly why I voted to lynch him. For those of you who think I blindly follow Spenda you are wrong and if you notice it took quite some time before I changed my vote. I do still think Spenda is a villager though even if Stacks turns out to be one as well (which I doubt at this point).

[Stacks]

Bling Blang Bloaw... In come Gator to try to get Spenda off the hook already for when I come back as a villager. Ez game. Have fun village. For you have massively fucked up already.

[Stacks]

Rescind XxStacksxX

LYNCH SPENDA

[GatorJH]

easiest day 1 wolf ever imo

[lolzzz_321]

There is no "Alpha Wolf". Also, please only put your votes in bold

[Stacks]

Yep.

[JKDS]

so i had about 8 votes, made a "fuck you all, you're retarded" post and left for AC sure of my death. WTF, im alive?

ok, so with 5 pages lets figure some shit out. What do wolves do on day 1? NOTHING. Wolves will generally do absolutely nothing. There is no reason to level, to derail, or to make yourself stand wayyyy the fuck out simply because the village will just as easily lynch a random without any interference whatsoever. Like, why do wolves care at all who is lynched today? Unless its a wolf, its just christmas in july for them because they dont have to do anything to succeed in dropping a villager which is the name of the game for them.

Additionally, wolves will generally stay way the fuck back from each other even if a wolf is picked on day 1. If a wolf gets picked , other wolves arent going to jump out and say "hey, dont lynch him!" because when they fail on day one then its all shit-tastic for them because the guy that said dont lynch him is next. Day 1 bandwagons are like, almost always successful because everyone and theyre brother goes "thats not me, so im ok with lynching him, no info etc etc".

Saying this might change the game, but who cares, we have 4 pages with with many derails and many freak outs with lots of big tl:dr posts. If we cant nab wolves here then we fail. BRB with my pick.

unlynch boog

[Galapogos]

Ugh. So many words! What happened to the good 'ol days when werewolf was just one big lynchfest?

[Ragnar4]

Wow I go out and get drunk last night and it appears we've uncovered the alpha wolf, stacks?

this absolutely blows my mind because everyones throwing around accusations and we're still on day one!!! What I do know, is that I honestly think is that you may in fact be a litmus for spendas innocence/guilt, and that hunting salmon loves the act of typing... .same with erpel. This shit tilling contest is ridiculous, but since we either get a wolf on night one, or a wolf on night two, in my opinion....

[b]unlynch salmon and lynch the hell out of XxXstacksxXx

[Ragnar4]

unlynch salmon and lynch the hell out os XxXstacksxXx

[Stacks]

Epic Fail by the village. I'd like to say GG, but the wolves have this in the bag seeing as everyone is incredibly easily manipulated.

Would it make any difference if I said I was the seer. And that I looked up BigSpenda night 1, and found a nice little prize?

[Stacks]

[JKDS]

see, the logical thing to do would be to lynch spenda, if wolf no lynch stax and if villager lynch stax. that way we dont risk losing a seer and a hidden seer wouldnt have to reveal themselves should stax be a wolf.

however...stax...your day 1 posts dont say "spenda is a wolf" till about page 4...there a reason you didnt exactly go after him?

[JKDS]

running vote count
lineaker 1
stax 6
salmon 1
boog 2
jkds 8
black atom 1

[JKDS]

whoops, add
spenda 1

to that vote count

[JKDS]

however...stax...your day 1 posts dont say "spenda is a wolf" till about page 4...there a reason you didnt exactly go after him?

nvm, recalled incorrectly, your posts are fairly consistent with a "im the seer, spenda is suspicious" thing.

lynch spenda

[Stacks]

Lol this whole thing is soooooooooooooo fucked up already. I was jokingly calling seer just to see a reaction, but realized that it is not good to joke about that because it could cause an upheaval. Which ironically should be more of a reasoning for my innocence now that I am recanting my seer claim, even after one individual has proposes that I could play seer, and lynch Spenda to see how things pan out.

So yes, I do recant my Seer Statement. I said it half-jokingly, but then realized that it would be a terrible thing for a few reasons. Obviously the most important is how the village is already so confused. It wouldn't make sense to confuse them anymore. I hope you can see how me recanting this statement, when one person has already fell for the joking ploy should be even more evidence for my innocence.

But I do promise you that Spenda is a wolf. Whether this gets proved by him kicking your ass because you fail to lynch him, or if you do lynch him either before or after my death, you will see he is a wolf.

I hope you can understand this, and rescind your votes on me, and lynch someone else. Whether it be Spenda, HuntingSalmon, or even Gator. I know Spenda is a wolf. And I believe HuntingSalmon and Gator have a greater than average chance of being a wolf. Whether you heed my warning before or after my death, is up to you, but like I said, whatever.

[Stacks]

Which ironically should be more of a reasoning for my innocence now that I am recanting my seer claim, even after one individual has proposes that I could play seer, and lynch Spenda to see how things pan out.

While a wolf would continue this belief.

[Stacks]

Just vote Spenda guys... I promise you I am only leading you to finding a wolf. I know everything I have said is very suspicious and I keep contradicting myself. But it's due to the daunting stress of having a wolf with so many followers already running the village, without any logic behind his lynches. If you lynch Spenda, and he is a wolf, I will obviously help find other wolves. If you lynch me, you might get Spenda out of the deal, but that is all (and you might not get Spenda as I'm sure Gator, Spenda, etc will claim spenda just simply made a mistake instead of being a wolf).

[Erpel]

Epic Fail by the village. I'd like to say GG, but the wolves have this in the bag seeing as everyone is incredibly easily manipulated.

Would it make any difference if I said I was the seer. And that I looked up BigSpenda night 1, and found a nice little prize?

You do protest too much. So your behaviour is consistent with a wolf who got found out and can't figure out how - or a special role villager like a seer.

If you are the seer though - you misplayed the situation badly. That said, the seer is too precious to waste. On the chance you are the seer I'll be happy to rescind and encourage everyone else to do the same. Get another scry in tonight (angel protect him) - report your full knowledge every day and see how long you live. Tomorrow we'll have to lynch Spenda and if he's found to be wolf you get some street cred. Either way, if you're lying about being a seer the right seer can step in when appropriate to reduce the damage you get to do.

Obviously if you die and and are reported as seer we know 100% that Spenda is wolf and he'll need to die immediately.

lynch ChrisBCritter

[Stacks]

Just lynch Spenda.. If I were a wolf, there is no way I would say I am sure of a lynch. Because when that individual comes back as a villager, then I am fucked. Just as Spenda should be screwed with my death.

[JKDS]

wtf at lynch cbc? spenda ldfo.

[Erpel]

Bah, I missed where you admitted to lying about being seer.

Still, the whole "look this action of mine proves I'm not a wolf" line of argument is just stupid. Surely you must know that trying to convince others of your innocence that way is wolfish as all hell. Or you're a wolf and trying to level.

Actually, if you're openly admitting not to be a special villager, I do want to lynch you. Too much of your defensive posting reeked of wolf for me to feel secure in you, and you're already near the top of the list and JKDS is not a big priority for me today. So changing back.

If' you're a regular villager the loss is probably bearable, and you're more likely to be a wolf than just about anyone else we have information on.

lynch XxStackxx

[Stacks]

Damn Erpel.. I'm sorry to say this because I honestly thought you were the most competent individual in the game. But if you can't even see the facts, then I suppose not only do I not have any hope, but neither does the village.

I honestly do not see how you guys can feel at all comfortable lynching me at this time. Especially since the only logic being used can easily be stated as a mere villager trying to protect his innocence while outting the leading Wolf.

I'm absolutely fine with getting lynched.. This is no ploy. I'm okay with going out here, as I should be focusing on plenty of other things than WW game. I just don't want my death to be in vein, and want to take down a wolf with me. And that wolf is Spenda.

Erpel: If I get lynched... Can you take it upon yourself to take Spenda out also? That is once the results come back that I am a villager? And not let the cunning Spenda, and other wolf pact, talk everyone out of it?

[JKDS]

erpel is very competent. i want to lynch you (stax) about just as bad. you say that your a villager protecting your innocence...but your not the type of idiot that would just fuck the game over without thinking and blurt out "hey im the seer, jk im not the seer" if you were a villager. that combined with "hey, this shows im not a wolf dont it? dont it?" just screams wolf.

lynch stax with recanting of seer, i dont see a reason to lynch spenda anymore.

[Stacks]

Okay fine.. You will see how wrong all of you are.. It's fine with me. I won't be back to argue.

[Erpel]

Stacks, I don't strongly feel that you're a wolf. But I'm due in bed and by the time I get up a lynch will have happened. It looks right now as if either you or JKDS will get lynched. JKDS I'm still perfectly neutral on, but you have been overreacting. So I have a choice of rescinding and not voting or voting for either Stacks of JKDS based on if I think any of them have a greater than average chance of being wolf. Hence the vote. Greater than average.

For what it's worth I took note of your voice of reason posts early on as perfectly good things and solid contributions. However, these are also contributions that a wolf can safely make because they aren't targeted at any individuals and makes it seem like they are contributing while actually doing nothing. So I can't really count those in your favour on the wolf/innocent scale.

On the topic of Spenda I just don't agree. If you were to try to sell me the story that he would take the actions he has taken as a wolf I'd buy it. However, if you were to try to sell me the story that he would take the actions he has taken as an innocent I'd buy it also. For what it's worth my read on Spenda at this time is that he's probably not a special role villager but a regular one.

I don't know about competency. You could certainly make the argument that many of the posts I've made should not have been made because the more we tell the wolves about how we think the easier it is for them to play the game. I do try in my posting to limit myself to talk only about the person or topic that I have decided to voice an opinion on.

And if you really are the seer and think that this way your death will make us all kill Spenda - you're misplaying it again. You're worth more to us alive with angel protecting you for a couple of days than dead. Wolves won't be fooled anyway.

Oh, and I hate self-lynches. When you make a self-lynch post regardless what your reasons are for doing it, you lose me 100%.

[Erpel]

Which ironically should be more of a reasoning for my innocence now that I am recanting my seer claim, even after one individual has proposes that I could play seer, and lynch Spenda to see how things pan out.

While a wolf would continue this belief.

Unless the wolf who pretended to be a seer is aware that admitting to lying about being a seer (instead of getting maximum juice of the lie) is likely to get him perceived more as an innocent at a time when he needs to get the hounds off his tail.

The problem is that any argument you can make for any action of yours to be that of an innocent is a chain of thought you could have had as a wolf and thinking your action would be read that way (as innocent) could have been justification for you taking that action as a wolf.

If it's within your capability to explain as an innocent, it's within your capability to use to deceive as a wolf.

[Stacks]

Just to put this out there. My guess for the wolf pact at this time is Spenda, Gator, Bode, and I'm not sold on the other one. Spenda is a LDFO wolf. Gator and Bode have some compelling evidence against them from my perspective. Just keep this in mind when you guys string up a villager (ME LDO).

Also, to give me a chance of staying Recind Spenda....Lynch JKDS

Also, Erpel, I don't follow the not understanding how me dying and being a regular villager doesn't prove Spenda being guilty. If he was merely saying "Stacks is likely a wolf", as you yourself is doing, then yeah I wouldn't buy it either. But he is saying "Def without a doubt Stacks is a wolf". So when I am not a wolf, doesn't that make him very likely to be a wolf? And if not, at least a villager who is going to continually push people in the wrong direction without logic, who has a strong following. Which could be just as detrimental to the Village as a wolf living.

[Stacks]

Which ironically should be more of a reasoning for my innocence now that I am recanting my seer claim, even after one individual has proposes that I could play seer, and lynch Spenda to see how things pan out.

While a wolf would continue this belief.

Unless the wolf who pretended to be a seer is aware that admitting to lying about being a seer (instead of getting maximum juice of the lie) is likely to get him perceived more as an innocent at a time when he needs to get the hounds off his tail.

The problem is that any argument you can make for any action of yours to be that of an innocent is a chain of thought you could have had as a wolf and thinking your action would be read that way (as innocent) could have been justification for you taking that action as a wolf.

If it's within your capability to explain as an innocent, it's within your capability to use to deceive as a wolf.

Of course everything anyone says can be reversed and thought of as a leveling ploy. If it wasn't that way, then the game would be very straight forward and no fun.

I obviously realized that everything I said could be turned around, there is no doubt about that. But when does something start being taken at face value? I'll admit I didn't approach this whole thing the best way possible. But how else am I supposed to try to clear my name and out what is to me an apparent wolf in Spenda, without doing what I have done? Yeah I make long redundant posts but it's because no-one is intelligently understanding my posts. No-one is putting 2 and 2 together, so I'm trying to spell it all out, which takes numerous times apparently.

Just kill me, then kill spenda, then kill gator. Also, Erpel you are very likely to be on the wolves radar for Night 2, so I would hope an intelligent Angel would bless you at Night 2.

[JKDS]

jkds - 9
stax - 8

3 hours till triptanes has promised to kill he with the most votes. im no politiian...but...

reasons to vote for jkds: i haz capital letters and am one of 20 who know warpe is awesome

reasons to vote for stax: wtf hella suspicious posts for the last 2 pages

halp?

[Galapogos]

Yeah sorry Stacks, even when you went beserk I still didn't want to lynch you. But you're throwing out some really bizarre contradictory stuff. Makes you a much more lynch worthy candidate than JKDS now. I still don't really want to lynch you because your spazzing is honestly amusing as hell!

If you turn out to be a villager you made a valiant effort.

rescind JKDS

lynch XxStacksxX