Varchertine's Werewolf Game Thread

[JKDS]

Mod Corner

Story Loose End: Barry and the KGB put all the bombs in everyone's head. They paid Kreiger to do it, but he rejected the money then did it anyway.

Thanks for all the compliments guys. This is a take on one of my favorite formats from mafiascum. There are other variations where every wolf is daisy-chained to every other wolf (kill 1 to kill them all), and most variations have the villagers knowingly paired with other villagers. In light of the previous partner chat threads in our recent games, I thought this particular format would be a ton of fun. I'm glad everyone had a good time with it.

As far as balance, I didnt run the equity, but I would be surprised if a random lynch order didnt average out to near 50% ev.

Biggest lesson from this game? The nail that sticks out gets hammered down.

MVP? I think Monstr? My only reservation is that he didnt chat in the den very much. That deprived me of entertainment! He played really well though, and was great at keeping hidden.

[baudib]

This was easily Monstr's best wolf game, of those I've seen. He managed to replicate his villageryness and make very smart pro-village comments. The only thing lacking was his usual volume, so that's definitely a wolf sign for Monstr.

[baudib]

I mean, from my POV Monstr just had to go because nothing was ever more important than getting Boog lynched, but that doesn't detract from how well he played. If he hadn't convinced me he was mostly a villager I would have pushed for him to get lynched D2 instead of Wuf -- Hoopy seemed more likely to be a wolf than Monstr.

[baudib]

Baud, you're being a little results-oriented here. I'm a mislynch 25% of the time and you aren't posting about the parts of the game you got incorrect.

the parts of the game I got incorrect are immaterial because the part I got right would have won us the game like 98%

I had 100% of the wolves in my lynch order well within mislynches to spare, and it still would have won the game after I got mislynched. I voted for a wolf on 3 of 4 days, and lynching Ong or anyone ahead of you was clearly insanity.

I mean I emphasized the precise order for a reason.

[BankItDrew]

.

don't learn this lesson, I don't care.

Ehhhhhh I'm pretty sure you care

[baudib]

I'm really certain I won't.

[gabe]

Ehhhhhh I'm pretty sure you care

hehe got em!

baudib it did seem like you had a different attitude this game

[Luco]

Oh!

Thanks keybored for the crazy ride.

[baudib]

A different attitude from being a wolf every game? yes.

[Luco]

As far as balance, I didnt run the equity, but I would be surprised if a random lynch order didnt average out to near 50% ev.

From very early on I thought this setup was very imbalanced against the wolves. I still think it favours the village over a large sample, I mean it took some very smart wolfin plus several awful village plays to make this happen.

[Luco]

Biggest lesson from this game? The nail that sticks out gets hammered down.

Keybored was saying this sort of thing in our QT and it's why he told mojo and drew to hang back.

Post 5 of the wolf den:

players tend to not like lynching people who are doing a lot, are making good points, or have conviction in their tone.

Bzzzt nope

[Luco]

Some really, really good teamwork in the den. Lots of checking big posts with each other, some good strategies thrown out too. Well done guys

Daven nice to see you consistently worried about me

[BankItDrew]

I'm gonna mod the next game. Same format except 5 IRL days per game day. Starts in 12 hours. Who's IN?

[Hoopy]

Damnit boog, how did we not lynch you?

And wow monstr was also a wolf, nicely played I had you as a lock villager when I asploded.

[BankItDrew]

No bigred's allowed.

[Luco]

Oh man, the ong/rascal chat where ong and rascal thought they had caught each other is epic

http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/G9R3PLvmPXV

[Hoopy]

In hindsight lynching gabe/rong on day 1 instead of boog/monstr was huge, village wins easily after that imo.

Big thanks to JKDS for modding and getting me into Archer, it's so good!

I'll probably take a break from WW for a while, need to recharge in order to appreciate the game again.

[Hoopy]

Mine & wuf's chat.

http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/2rpYvmVheFtm

Rather a desert compared to some of the chats other people had. But it did play a factor in my vote for wuf.

[Luco]

That's cool with me. I imagine most people will want a bit of a break after that monster, so let's leave it a couple of weeks and see how people are feeling then imo.

Cool. We wil have our own QT so you have somewhere to spew and keep the dead thread spoiler free!

[Keybored]

Yah, Luco....awesome ride. Believe it or not, I learned a ton from you. Sooooo glad we didn't devolve into the Ong-Rascal chat from hell.

[Keybored]

No bigred's allowed.

Yup...that torqued me. Gave unfair advantage to Wolf Daven, imo.

[Keybored]

Some really, really good teamwork in the den. Lots of checking big posts with each other, some good strategies thrown out too. Well done guys
guys

Plus 1. Wolves were amazing in their teamwork. That den should be a "How To Wolf" sticky on the forum. Well done, lads. Tip o' the hat.

[Keybored]

Holy hell...That Ong-Rascal chat is righteous! Poor Rascal. FWIW, Rascal deserves a medal for his handling of the situation. Ong, kid, this just weren't your game. Lots of lessons.

[Luco]

Yah, Luco....awesome ride. Believe it or not, I learned a ton from you. Sooooo glad we didn't devolve into the Ong-Rascal chat from hell.

I'm glad I sheeped you D1 for sure. Reading back we were both all over getting dav-red lynched pretty much all game long, but just couldn't rally the troops lol

[Luco]

One last pic!

baudib's play D3

[BooG690]

Ong, Rascal chat: "You're a wolf!" "No, you!"

Also, Ong: "If I'm wrong about baudib, then lol at me, I'm probably wrong about boog too and the wolves have owned me to shit. But I'm not wrong about baudib. I know his wolf game."

[MadMojoMonkey]

the parts of the game I got incorrect are immaterial because the part I got right would have won us the game like 98%

I disagree.
One part of the game you got incorrect was failing to make allies with villagers. Your reads were excellent; you had no team to help you enact them.

One part of the game you got incorrect was that you spent an entire day talking to/about Ong, when your real target was Boog.
You allowed that conversation to dominate the day when you claim to have felt it was a distraction from lynching Boog.

[OngBonga]

Oh yeah... maybe baud didn't see my thought process at the end... 'cause it's in QT.



I just realized that my D1 vote was worse than I thought thus far.

Village would have bagged 2 W's on D1 if not for me.

I wasn't going to say this, but your late vote gave me a MASSIVE bout of paranoia, and I seriously considered snap voting boog, thinking you were a wolf... but in the 30-odd seconds I had to act, I figured you were being too blatant for a wolf, and stuck with gabe, knowing that if I made a really late switch to boog, and he flipped villager, I would be utterly fucked.

But I'm glad you can take the blame for this actually. It's not my fault, nor is it baudib. YOU had the power to stop that all from happening in the first place! Thanks for taking the blame off me.

[BooG690]

Quick note: Daven did a better job in 15 minutes selling a Keybored vote (which was obv a lie) than baudib did all ?four IRL days? selling my lynch (where I was actually a wolf).

[MadMojoMonkey]

Yup...that torqued me. Gave unfair advantage to Wolf Daven, imo.

THIS.

I didn't want to say anything during the game, but why on earth was bigred not modkilled for inactivity?

[OngBonga]

Ong, kid, this just weren't your game.

Sums it up perfectly.

[BooG690]

I'm gonna mod the next game. Same format except 5 IRL days per game day. Starts in 12 hours. Who's IN?

LOL this game was oddly the most emotionally investing game I've personally played. I don't want to speak for the village but you guys came close to blows a couple of times there. The no-night thing means no break means no breather. It wasn't until the final day where I thought, "Alright, my posts won't get me killed. I can do this." Anyway, yeah.

[OngBonga]

THIS.

I didn't want to say anything during the game, but why on earth was bigred not modkilled for inactivity?

Because it modkills daven (a wolf) unfairly? A bigred modkill would've ruined the game.

[BooG690]

Any (dis)advantage gained from Bigred being inactive was so minimal.

[Luco]

For some reason ong I can sympathise with your hard defending a wolf. Even though I've never ever hard defended a wolf

Laugh it off and move on matey

[MadMojoMonkey]

I wasn't going to say this, but your late vote gave me a MASSIVE bout of paranoia, and I seriously considered snap voting boog, thinking you were a wolf... but in the 30-odd seconds I had to act, I figured you were being too blatant for a wolf, and stuck with gabe, knowing that if I made a really late switch to boog, and he flipped villager, I would be utterly fucked.

But I'm glad you can take the blame for this actually. It's not my fault, nor is it baudib. YOU had the power to stop that all from happening in the first place! Thanks for taking the blame off me.

My problem was that I dropped 2 hard reads on gabe and then even stuck my neck out and said I would protect him...
Then he's tied for vote leader at EOD and no one thinks I know what I'm talking about, so I start to WIFOM hard.

Enter daven telling me what I already said and I had a quick decision. If daven says anything else there, I don't switch. Daven held up a mirror to me in just the right way to get me to vote gabe.

It took me days to realize how sly he was and how targeted it was. I did see it, but too late - and by that time I was distracted by a lot of other things.

***
I take responsibility for a bad vote - the first of many this game - but not for the entire mis-lynch. Other villagers made the same mistake, it was not a boldly 'tarded move.

[BooG690]

It seems that the QT chats were just a means of reinforcing that the other was a villager. If anything, Daven's partner would probably have argued points to keep daven alive.

[BooG690]

For some reason ong I can sympathise with your hard defending a wolf. Even though I've never ever hard defended a wolf

Laugh it off and move on matey

We're still gonna bust his balls (take the piss, for you English folk) constantly about it, right?

[MadMojoMonkey]

Because it modkills daven (a wolf) unfairly? A bigred modkill would've ruined the game.

So wolves are allowed to just slank to victory?

FTR sentiments have changed in the last year.

[OngBonga]

I'll say this now I have perfect information... wolves left it remarkably late to try and save the w/w pair on d1... 9/10 I'm right that boog/monst are v/v or at worst w/v when gabe/rong v/v pair lead the votes like that. But to leave a w/w pair hanging until an hour left is risky.

[BooG690]

Enter daven telling me what I already said and I had a quick decision. If daven says anything else there, I don't switch. Daven held up a mirror to me in just the right way to get me to vote gabe.

Heh, wow. I forgot he did this. I nominate Daven for MVP for his real-time play that 1) saved me and 2) lynched Keybored. Two of the most important events this game for the wolves.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Any (dis)advantage gained from Bigred being inactive was so minimal.

ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT.

This game would have had 5x as many lols if bigred had posted.

[BooG690]

I'll say this now I have perfect information... wolves left it remarkably late to try and save the w/w pair on d1... 9/10 I'm right that boog/monst are v/v or at worst w/v when gabe/rong v/v pair lead the votes like that. But to leave a w/w pair hanging until an hour left is risky.

You can see the reasons why in the den.

[OngBonga]

So wolves are allowed to just slank to victory?

FTR sentiments have changed in the last year.

It's not daven's fault that he's allowed to coast in the QT, and it's not his fault it's summer in NZ. I'm happy with daven's contribution, and as for bigred, well anyone can get stuck with him in a QT. It's hardly unfair when it's random. daven got lucky to avoid a long thread, and he took advantage. Well done to him. Modkilling bigred would have been extremely unfair to the wolves, because daven did not warrant modkill.

[OngBonga]

You can see the reasons why in the den.

Well I'm not fucking reading it! Fuck you boog!

[Luco]

We're still gonna bust his balls (take the piss, for you English folk) constantly about it, right?

This probably means you'll be the next one to hard defend a wolf

[BooG690]

It's not daven's fault that he's allowed to coast in the QT

Yeah, guys. We all see how valuable the QT chat would be from the Hoopy/Wuf QT.

[MadMojoMonkey]

It's not daven's fault it's summer in NZ.

I'm calling more ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT right there.

daven's beard capable of anything!

[Luco]

So wolves are allowed to just slank to victory?

FTR sentiments have changed in the last year.

Maybe next time you should lynch the lurkers then!

[BooG690]

Well I'm not fucking reading it! Fuck you boog!

Screenshot 2015-02-13 11.26.40.jpg

Ong mentioned 169 times! You know you wanna!

I'm just kidding, cut those in half. Ong and wrong were in the same sentence a bunch in the chat.

Edit: Upload fail. Meh, whatever.

Edit edit: Enjoy my bookmarks

[MadMojoMonkey]

Maybe next time you should lynch the lurkers then!

Yeah... when?
On D2 when hoopy nailed wuf?
On D3 when Ong howled in thread?
On D4 when baud had me feeling like the Ong/baud thing had to fucking resolve a wolf, right?
(probably yeah, here.)

[BooG690]

Yeah... when?
On D2 when hoopy nailed wuf?
On D3 when Ong howled in thread?
On D4 when baud had me feeling like the Ong/baud thing had to fucking resolve a wolf, right?
(probably yeah, here.)

Or on D5 when Daven completely Judo'd Keybored to the ground using Keybored's momentum.

[Luco]

Or on D5 when Daven completely Judo'd Keybored to the ground using Keybored's momentum.

I bloody told them all not to listen to you guys!

[BooG690]

I bloody told them all not to listen to you guys!

There's a struggle there. On one hand, the more information, the better. But, like you said, why the sudden interest by every lurker? Also, with "the more information, the better," that's based on an assumption that the wolves are dumb enough to make mistakes in their posts (we're all pretty smart on this forum, imo). That happens quite rarely. Daven said it best imo:

i also think that relying on real-time interaction rather than thread re-reads and history to find wolves is reliant on an assumption that the wolves are bad enough to make a huge mistake in real-time interaction, it also hugely increases the likelihood of a villager becoming a lock wolf in the village's eyes.

I learnt a lot this game. It also tired me. I won't be playing any game that starts before March 1st.

Wolves are a careful bunch when it comes to posting. Just check how many times daven and I asked each other to proofread posts for wolfiness. Just one example of how careful we are before posting. There's definitely a tell in there somewhere. I thought the time I took between rilla's "What are your thoughts on anything, boog?" and my "thoughts on anything" post was a huge tell. But, then again, only I know of the tells I'm giving off so, yeah...

[Luco]

It seems that the QT chats were just a means of reinforcing that the other was a villager. If anything, Daven's partner would probably have argued points to keep daven alive.

With bigred MIA and wuf not getting stuck in, there's no way of knowing if a wolf would have been caught by the QT.

[BooG690]

With bigred MIA and wuf not getting stuck in, there's no way of knowing if a wolf would have been caught by the QT.

I think they caught a wolf in the Ong/Rascal chat, actually. One even howled.

:belly laugh:

[MadMojoMonkey]

This game was exhausting.

The sheer amount of thread to read was daunting. If wolves had done that as part of their plan, then it would have been brilliant. Wanna know how you stop good villagers from re-reading the game thread? Make it 3,000 posts long in a game with no breaks or days off.

I was expecting a nice day hike in the mountains... I ended up running a marathon.
I studied for the wrong test.

[BooG690]

Also, one thing that villagers must do (I don't remember how much hard defending actually goes on around these parts), we must let villagers defend themselves. I'm 100% sure I would've made a mistake if I needed to defend myself (though I would've played the naive villager who saw it happen all around him). I had a buffer in Ong and used him as my voice without taking any responsibility for my defense.

[BooG690]

This game was exhausting.

Twas. I really hope everyone had fun this game though. JKDS set up the best/most investing WW game I've ever played. Thanks JKDS. Truly awesome.

Edit: This is why playing on FTR, where I know the players, is so great. I NEED to play well here. I WANT to play well here. I'll play with everyone here in the future and meta-game plays a big part in these games. I was afraid to let my team down this game. Really, really afraid because we had gone so far. I probably wouldn't have given a shit or two on a random mafia website.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I really hope everyone had fun this game though. JKDS set up the best/most investing WW game I've ever played. Thanks JKDS. Truly awesome.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Retrospective props for rilla's "how quickly they get to the bottom of things" post.

I barked out a funny noise that developed into a laugh when I read that.

[baudib]

You can argue presentation and surliness all you like but the fact of the matter is the village core of Rilla-BID-MMM-Ong-Keybored didn't listen to any logic from anyone.

It took all of 10 mins in real time for me to make the irrefutable case that Boog was a wolf to Rascal, and Rascal explained it himself very clearly multiple times. Luco and even Monstr made the case for why my interactions with Wuf make me a villager. Nobody listened to this and these are the most level-headed and reasonable players in the game.

At f8, Luco made the case for why lynching Boog-Monstr and Daven-BigRed was the absolute correct village play and he got ignored.

It is also contradictory to say that "Baud, you were right but no one listened to you because you're a dick" and say, "You were wrong about Ong and it got him killed."

All of my reads on Ong were based on his stubbornness re: the Boog situation; all of the reasons cited by the villagers who lynched him had to do with him saying "Aroooooo" and claiming wolf. I never even mentioned these things and they aren't valid reasons to vote for someone, especially Ong, who has done this as a villager in the past, and I didn't even vote for him and argued strenuously that we should lynch someone else.

If anyone was listening to me about Ong, they should have lynched Boog first.

[BooG690]

You can argue presentation and surliness all you like but the fact of the matter is the village core of Rilla-BID-MMM-Ong-Keybored didn't listen to any logic from anyone.

So it was the village's fault? How much of it do you attribute to delivering the message incorrectly? 2%? 3%?

[MadMojoMonkey]

It is also contradictory to say that "Baud, you were right but no one listened to you because you're a dick" and say, "You were wrong about Ong and it got him killed."

Maybe a little... but not nearly as much as you seem to think.

You spent a ton of time and effort directed at calling Ong a wolf.

Ong made certain that he died before Boog, and then flips V... that looks pretty bad for you, baud. Ong suicided him and his partner for a read on you. Much as I can't allow a howler to live... I certainly can't ignore that Ong thought he was jumping on a grenade to save the village.

Once it was shown that your huge cases and your certainty can be wrong (Ong flips V), it made it very hard to put much weight to your other cases. In fact, it made it easy to think that Boog/monstr might be clear and that you were the wolf, after all.

Once you died, the game boiled down to a simple matter of, "Can MMM and BID find 1 straightforward villager?"
We picked monstr.
Epic fail.
We were hardly the only ones in the game to peg monstr as solid V.

[wufwugy]

Mine & wuf's chat.

http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/2rpYvmVheFtm

Rather a desert compared to some of the chats other people had. But it did play a factor in my vote for wuf.

Yeah, guys. We all see how valuable the QT chat would be from the Hoopy/Wuf QT.

I knew no activity in QT would make me look really bad, but I'm being completely honest when I say I would have done the same as a villager. I do not think private chat is pro-v, and the only kind of example in which it is (JKDS/BID) is super rare. IIRC MMM even commented that he looked bad in game because of some of his thoughts that were in QT instead of game thread.

Private chat is where you discuss things with knowns that you shouldn't in game thread. I think it is anti-v for unknowns.

Bzzzt nope

Didn't work for me this time. Sometimes it doesnt. The post-game discussion here has shown several people saying conviction is a v tell. I saw several times where I used wishy-washy language but deleted it and used emphatic language

Oh yeah... no days off... no breaks... 3,000 posts. I couldn't even do a read-through without falling behind on the actual game.

This game was exhausting mentally.

I finally concede that days off are pro-V.

Do your little dance, wuf.

For some reason ong I can sympathise with your hard defending a wolf. Even though I've never ever hard defended a wolf

Laugh it off and move on matey

I do it all the damn time. I think it's a problem, but not ultimately indicative of reading abilities. Defending wolves can be used against them since they tend to not see it coming when you completely flip on them

Heh, wow. I forgot he did this. I nominate Daven for MVP for his real-time play that 1) saved me and 2) lynched Keybored. Two of the most important events this game for the wolves.

Yes if we're doing MVP it's Daven. I think he's the naturally most gifted wolf of our team. I think I'm good at some strategic stuff (like the rule of 4 trick that got Keybored his first level of suspicion), but Daven is a fantastic wolf. Monstr sorta hung back and I never quite understood why he got vilcred so easily, but he was smart to get his vote on me early on d2 and that may have helped. Also Boog has underrated wolf skills. He had some solid ass posts that got people off him. And I love how little breathing room he gave me. I think the other wolves got themselves a lot of breathing room because they were perceived as having attacked me a lot or in the right spots.

Also, one thing that villagers must do (I don't remember how much hard defending actually goes on around these parts), we must let villagers defend themselves. I'm 100% sure I would've made a mistake if I needed to defend myself (though I would've played the naive villager who saw it happen all around him). I had a buffer in Ong and used him as my voice without taking any responsibility for my defense.

Yep. It's hard to not do because posting is fun. But yeah it's bad policy to defend others for them. It's fine to say stuff regarding the person that you think is villy or wolfy, but defending too hard creates a new set of problems

[wufwugy]

Ong nobody called you names or anything in the den. You didn't do anything as terrible as I've done, and even then I think people realize Honorary Wolf is the bane of my existence, so nobody's saying mean things

You played the exact kind of game I said you would in the den, and I thought it made you dangerous. You're the type of player who latches on to things and doesn't let go. It doesn't matter if you're wrong in the beginning or middle. It matters if you can get right in the end. If you had lived to the end, we could be looking at a different game

I still don't know the power of your endgame, but I would never underestimate your power to lock onto a well-hidden wolf in a clutch scenario



Two other things I want to say: (1) man if I had never re-attacked Rilla, I would have lived d2 and Baud been lynched. I had lots of unexpected time on my hands because of the bomb threat, so I was like okay. But I should have stuck to the original WIM plan and not showed back up for the rest of the gameday. Schucks

(2) I was proud of my wagonomics post on Baud. It was stronger than I thought I was going to find when I first started looking. Granted, as villager I would have focused on more of a connection with Boog, but I could still say all about how I think Boog was getting railroaded just like I was and that it all hinged on Baud getting up in bolds. This is kinda the one thing that gave me any breathing room and it's possible it subtly deceived players into not looking at my relationship to Boog wagonomically

Ain't nobody can say I wasn't game-solvey. D2 should have been a wagonomics lynch day, with me and Daven getting all the heat. But we didn't, and I think the main reason is I attacked Baud on wagonomics so much

[BankItDrew]

Baudib,

"Great leaders don't need to act tough. Their confidence and humility serve to underscore their toughness."

~ Simon Sinek

[BooG690]

Ain't nobody can say I wasn't game-solvey. D2 should have been a wagonomics lynch day, with me and Daven getting all the heat. But we didn't, and I think the main reason is I attacked Baud on wagonomics so much

You weren't game-solvey.

Ong, we didn't call you names obviously. To be honest, we gave Wuf a harder time in the den than you.

[Luco]

Once you died, the game boiled down to a simple matter of, "Can MMM and BID find 1 straightforward villager?"
We picked monstr.
Epic fail.
We were hardly the only ones in the game to peg monstr as solid V.

I still don't know who started the idea that I'm a capable wolf. And although I donked around in early game I played the last 3 days straight as an arrow.

And I only just started to see through monstr on the final day, when the numbers forced me to reassess him.

[BooG690]

And I only just started to see through monstr on the final day, when the numbers forced me to reassess him.

At the end, I hoped to polarize Monstr and myself. I thought this would increase the likelihood of us being a V/W link and decrease the likelihood of us being a W/W link (and lead to another link's lynch). I always wonder how successful planning things like that really are.

[wufwugy]

You weren't game-solvey.

[JKDS]

I wasn't gonna modkill anyone unless shit got really bad. I mean, I can burden-shift and say ”daven, get bigred to contribute or get modkilled", but that shouldn't be a game element. Think what it would mean if I did the above: daven gets to decide if he is modkilled, and can play around that. If he is killed, a guessing game over what the wolves knew regarding the modkill ensues, and that's not werewolf. That's examine the mod's ability to mod.

One thing I told ong: modkills are not game mechanics. Modkills are merely a response to preserve game integrity. IMHO, they should be used very sparingly, and only when they are the best solution to a game problem.

[JKDS]

Also, in this particular game...modkilling is a terrible remedy. Its unjust to the team. Better is to replace the player (assuming game state is intact), but I didn't really feel like searching. Few ppl on site would want to sub into a 3000 post game.

Its also a problem that fixes itself through lynching. You guys believed bigred wouldn't leave as a wolf...but that isn't a certainty and that doesn't clear daven. Would an active village have made a difference? Who knows. Butterfly effect and what not. You had to play with the ppl you had and do what you could in that situation

[wufwugy]

not modkilling bigred was the right move. everybody said they wanted to make bolds based on individuals instead of pairs anyways

[bigred]

Here's where I post my long overdue apology to JKDS and my partner, Daven. Sorry for (once again) abandoning the game due to outside commitments, lack of time, and (probably most relevant) lack of interest. JKDS, you put a lot of work into this game and I feel bad about not respecting that. Dozer, you're cool too but it looks like my inactivity may have helped out.

The rest of you can suck it. This game was ridiculous and, in my opinion, mostly noise. I'm done with Werewolf. I think this game has devolved into a circle jerk of fanatical regulars. A nest of douchebags that even I can't support. It's not fun anymore. It hasn't been fun for awhile. I'm going to step away and let the folks who enjoy this keep playing and not be hindered by players such as me ruining games due to inactivity.

TL;DR: Bigred whines about devolving ww game, gets sand in his nether regions, cries some more, offers no solution, quits WW, and then posts a kitty!

Obligatory cat post: