Vanilla Werewolf gameplay thread

[Hoopy]

Without any clear modkill rules and this strong field, I think inactivity would have been a good day-1 reason. Especially for Bigred, who has a history of minimal activity through entire games. But now we know that inactivity will trigger a modkill -- we'll have to rethink that. Donkbee has shown up, so we're down to 4 inactives. We still have about 34 hours, I'm not bolding anyone -- we need to give the other inactives time to show up.

Yeah I wasn't saying inactives aren't ok targets, just that it was too early in the day to start talking about them. Hopefully the weekend means people aren't so busy.

[jyms]

Let me be clear too. I'm not saying lets kill the inactives, I am saying BR is always inactive. I'm saying let's kill BR to stop the late game BR not giving us any posts to get a clue.

[a500lbgorilla]

Gator has this way of making statements with a reassuring grin that makes you feel like he's on the level.

[StillDeadMoney]

I'm going to be away for a couple days and won't be able to respond to any accusations. I won't be fake-outing as anything in this game and instead try to keep a low profile. I'll try to live as long as I can to help the village win.

I don't have much to go on other than intuition but I vote to lynch rilla. He seems a little off to me. When I come back I will probably pick a person I think is a villager and piggyback on their voting.

[jackvance]

So let's see. Daven is always late, as wolf and villager. It sucks but I think he'll show up. Bid well, it's nice if everyone show up right? Warpe was as I recall pretty good so he better show.

[GatorJH]

Gator has this way of making statements with a reassuring grin that makes you feel like he's on the level.

[GatorJH]

That was supposed to be smiley's. Stupid phone.

[Keith]

I'm going to be away for a couple days and won't be able to respond to any accusations. I won't be fake-outing as anything in this game and instead try to keep a low profile. I'll try to live as long as I can to help the village win.

I don't have much to go on other than intuition but I vote to lynch rilla. He seems a little off to me. When I come back I will probably pick a person I think is a villager and piggyback on their voting.

jeez.... do you ever p[ay attention to whats being said in the thread ........ general consensus ... we're better to lynch inactives rather than have them modkilled.....SDM's interpretation......good idea if i don't say much and keep a low profile and just copy someone elses voting.

what this means ....village won't have a clue whether you are a villager . Why would SDM decide its a good idea to keep quiet in these circumstamnces and to miraculously disappear for a couple of days? is it cos his wolf buddies don't want him dropping them in it? With the post i just quoted he has voluntarily put himself into the inactive list.

[OngBonga]

So jyms thinks I'm a wolf who knows bigred is a villager.

jyms wants to lynch bigred.

lynch jyms

[jyms]

So jyms thinks I'm a wolf who knows bigred is a villager.

jyms wants to lynch bigred.

lynch jyms

Taht is standard Ong. Someone mentions you and you clamp on like a fish on a worm.

I want BR lynched to force the early game inactives to start plying. Not just this game, every game.

I think you are a wolf, but it's a day one read so I am sticking with my BR reasoning for a lynch. I never said BR is a wolf. That would be a stupid thing to say. It's gameplay.

[OngBonga]

Standard ong? I'll prove that wrong tomorrow when I'm not drunk.

[OngBonga]

Wanting to kill bigred goes against your read on me jyms. This makes no sense. You think I'm a wolf. Fine. You think I'm trying to get towncred for when bigred flips town. Seems somewhat level 0, but hey, fine, I'll grant you that.

What I won't grant you is you then want to kill someone who by your reckoning is villager. This is why I'm voting for you jyms, not because you waved your finger at me. You're basically killing someone who should be a villager read. That is not pro-village.

[jyms]

It may not be pro village in your eyes, but it's not wolf and you know that so get back to the game


And the drinking

[daven]

here. villager. time to hunt some wolves. and make day 1 soulreads.

[daven]

Lynch 'rilla obviously

[daven]

nah, rescind 'rilla, lynch ong

[BankItDrew]

I'm terribly sorry that I haven't checked in yet. I was in Vegas for a week until a couple days ago and just straight up forgot about Werewolf. Last time I checked the forum, ong was going to mod. Thankfully, I was able to get this post in before the Day 1 deadline! Sorry to disappoint those who wanted me mod killed.

To be fair, I am getting better at this game and I was dealt the short end of the stick imo on a couple of occasions. Anyways, here's my first contribution:

rilla's quick post leads me to believe he's doing a sacrifice fly. Gator and rilla are both wolves.

Along with ong, I agree with this. I also agree with rilla when he says that good wolves do not necessarily mean they make for good villagers.

if BID is still as bad as I remember I think its an easy day 1 lynch

I'm not as bad as you think I am, I think.

Here's my theory on how villagers and wolves will perceive me as a villager this game: Villagers will call me a liability and want me out; wolves will consider me as an asset and will come to my defense. Now I understand that this idea may bring more heat than anything, but I don't care. This makes the most sense. So, ironically, the most suspect players in my eye are those who defend me early on.

best day 1 lynch (unless someone makes a mistake) is always going to be SDM or BID before Gator.

This is the first player to come to gators defense, and to rilla's offense. On one hand he attacks me but on the other I feel like he could just be jousting with fellow wolves on Day 1. This is such a common tactic of Keiths that I'm suspicious of.

rong is coming after me - villager

gabe comes to my defense - wolf

Lynch Bigred

I think it's time we play a game by lynching him instead of talking about it day in day out.

I love getting into arguments with jyms but I agree with him here. I've actually never enjoyed bigreds participation in any of the games we've played. I find his posts to be mainly pointless and boring.

I'd also be fine with a BID lynch -- I haven't played with him in a while, but he has played super-wolfy as a villager before because his goal is to stay alive rather than find wolves.

That's not true at all. I have always had winning on the mind as a villager and when I was a wolf I was often the first player to suggest throwing myself under the bus.

fwiw drew put in the hours in his last villager game and did pretty well.

Luco - wolf

I think bigred is villager based solely on how many people are willing to lynch him and the lack of counterwagon. So I don't think blindly lynching him based on usefulness or lack of is our best play for today, because it probably results in a dead villager.

+1 best post of Day 1 imo. Starting to change my mind on bigred

I find gators first three posts very anti-climatic for a guy who showed excitement before about the possibility of not being a wolf, again. If I were him, I'd be like "OMFG I'M A VILLAGER THIS GAME GUYS! FINALLY!!!!!!!! " Instead, he gives us some basic posts with hardly any emotion. It screams boredom.

Ong decides to give me a bold because of my apparent lack of quality content that may help the village. This screams villagery - getting rid of dead weight.

TLR came to my defense though and made an excellent point about not killing inactives for being inactive, because that would be a wasted lynch when inactives may be modkilled anyways. Villager.

Early wolf reads: Three of, Keith, Gator, Rilla, Ong.

[BankItDrew]

Take ong off of my list and sub in Luco and gabe.

[Hoopy]

Well now we just need BR and Warpe to show.

Something about this post is rather suspicious to me.

See this seems like the perfect wolf post to me. Create a feeling of suspicion but not so vehement that it's easily traceable later on.

[OngBonga]

Fine drew is here, and he stinks of villager. rescind

daven, nice reasoning. I can't arugue with that logic other than to say I'm villager, but I'm impressed with your hunting I gotta say.

Still happy with jyms though. I give my reason for why I vote for him, and he accuses me of "standard ong". If anyone wants to go through any old games, you'll find many examples of me actually thinking someone is villager for the way they attack me. The suggestion that it's standard for me to attack those who attack me is lazy, it's a weak attack based on a sample of one, and even then my reason for jyms vote was explained, it is not because he attacked me, but because he wants to lynch bigred after saying he thinks he's villager.

[OngBonga]

Yes I'm hungover and thought my vote was still on drew and then remembered it's on jyms all in one post. All laugh at my stupidity.

vote jyms

[rong]

Well now we just need BR and Warpe to show.

See this seems like the perfect wolf post to me. Create a feeling of suspicion but not so vehement that it's easily traceable later on.

I followed that up with an explanation so your point is invalid and misleading.

[gabe]

bid i wasnt really coming to your defense. i think you have consistently level 0 posting so you arent a liability, as long as people dont listen to you

seems obv bigred dies tonight.. no need to waste it on someone posting

[jackvance]

general consensus ... we're better to lynch inactives rather than have them modkilled.....

That shouldn't be a rule written in stone though. The village mostly fails if the voting goes one of two ways: a really quick wagon erupts and is locked in a manner of hours. Congrats that was a villager. Or we arrive at the deadline with a bunch of wagons with very low votes. This kind of diffusion often means we're sitting on the easiest targets and makes it easiest for the wolves to influence the voting.

However if we can reach a village consensus over a long enough period of time then we have a good chance of finding a wolf. For this reason I wouldn't take inactives as auto-lynches. It's also too easy for the wolves to play if they know we'll be forced to lynch someone in particular.

Also, Daven can you post some reasoning for your votes?

[Keith]

That shouldn't be a rule written in stone though. The village mostly fails if the voting goes one of two ways: a really quick wagon erupts and is locked in a manner of hours. Congrats that was a villager. Or we arrive at the deadline with a bunch of wagons with very low votes. This kind of diffusion often means we're sitting on the easiest targets and makes it easiest for the wolves to influence the voting.

However if we can reach a village consensus over a long enough period of time then we have a good chance of finding a wolf. For this reason I wouldn't take inactives as auto-lynches. It's also too easy for the wolves to play if they know we'll be forced to lynch someone in particular.

Also, Daven can you post some reasoning for your votes?

the point i was making was that the general consensus of posts in this game was to take out the inactives rather than an active ( probable) villager so that SDM then announced that he was going to be inactive for a couple of days and he would just copy someone elses voting. As such his logic is flawed and he is going to be a liability to the village

[Luco]

I don't get the case against rilla, if anything his posts have felt reassuringly familiar to me.

Jyms and ong are both leaning village. I've misread ong before though, both as a villager and a wolf. Jv, Keith and gator are making me a little uneasy but its early days. Drews analysis post has a villager ring to it but wolf drew is strongest on d1, let's see if he keeps it up.

SDM is interesting. He made a great point about picking off hard to read players but he has since settled on rilla, a player who imo really lets his villager-ness shine through. Slightly leaning village maybe?

daven, bee, tlr, need more. Everyone else is pretty meh right now.

[jackvance]

I don't get the case against rilla, if anything his posts have felt reassuringly familiar to me.

Really? He's been making relatively short posts and not being as cautious as he normally is.

[Luco]

Really? He's been making relatively short posts and not being as cautious as he normally is.

I don't remember him being cautious before.

[Keith]

To be fair, I am getting better at this game and I was dealt the short end of the stick imo on a couple of occasions. Anyways, here's my first contribution:

rilla's quick post leads me to believe he's doing a sacrifice fly. Gator and rilla are both wolves.

Along with ong, I agree with this. I also agree with rilla when he says that good wolves do not necessarily mean they make for good villagers.

good players generally play wolf or villager well , bad players play badly whatever they are.

I'm not as bad as you think I am, I think.

we'll see shall we

Here's my theory on how villagers and wolves will perceive me as a villager this game: Villagers will call me a liability and want me out; wolves will consider me as an asset and will come to my defense. Now I understand that this idea may bring more heat than anything, but I don't care. This makes the most sense. So, ironically, the most suspect players in my eye are those who defend me early on.

best day 1 lynch (unless someone makes a mistake) is always going to be SDM or BID before Gator.

This is the first player to come to gators defense, and to rilla's offense. On one hand he attacks me but on the other I feel like he could just be jousting with fellow wolves on Day 1. This is such a common tactic of Keiths that I'm suspicious of.

So the best example you could come up with to prove your theory that villagers will want to get rid of you is to argue that someone wanting to get rid of you is instead a wolf !!!. You were there in the wolf den last game, you saw Gabe attack me first and my post in the wolf chat that i normally attack anyone attacking me and that there was no plan to initiate a battle with a fellow wolf last game , but here you are talking about it being a common tactic of mine as a wolf and completely ignore the fact that its only the second game that i've done that and that it the last game when it happened i didn't initiate it and it wasn't a wolf plan.
So you completely contradict your theory for some extremely dodgy reasoning and you wonder why the village always consider you to be a liability

rong is coming after me - villager


gabe comes to my defense - wolf






I love getting into arguments with jyms but I agree with him here. I've actually never enjoyed bigreds participation in any of the games we've played. I find his posts to be mainly pointless and boring.

I'd also be fine with a BID lynch -- I haven't played with him in a while, but he has played super-wolfy as a villager before because his goal is to stay alive rather than find wolves.

That's not true at all. I have always had winning on the mind as a villager and when I was a wolf I was often the first player to suggest throwing myself under the bus.

but what happened to you calling him a villager under your theory for attacking you

Luco - wolf




Ong decides to give me a bold because of my apparent lack of quality content that may help the village. This screams villagery - getting rid of dead weight.


TLR came to my defense though and made an excellent point about not killing inactives for being inactive, because that would be a wasted lynch when inactives may be modkilled anyways. Villager.


Early wolf reads: Three of, Keith, Gator, Rilla, Ong.

So ong screams villager so you have him on your suspcious list. You've already said early in the post that gabe and luco are wolves according to your theory so when you give your final opinion , me gator and rilla and ong are wolves and gabe and Luco are forgotten and then you withdraw ong in your next post when you realize that you screwed up having said that he was screaming villager but you don't say anything further about gabe and Luco.


This just about sums up why you are a liability and likely to get solid villagers mislynched and why you should be lynched before you can screw the village .

[Luco]

So the best example you could come up with to prove your theory that villagers will want to get rid of you is to argue that someone wanting to get rid of you is instead a wolf !!!. You were there in the wolf den last game, you saw Gabe attack me first and my post in the wolf chat that i normally attack anyone attacking me and that there was no plan to initiate a battle with a fellow wolf last game , but here you are talking about it being a common tactic of mine as a wolf and completely ignore the fact that its only the second game that i've done that and that it the last game when it happened i didn't initiate it and it wasn't a wolf plan.

on my phone so I haven't included the BID quote you were referring to, but this is a good point. Last game was your first wolf game in almost three years iirc and your d1 quarrel with gabe was unplanned. To say its a common tactic of yours is misleading.

[TLR]

I agree with JV that we need some agreement in the village on who the preferred targets are
Of BR does not show up I think we need to lynch him, otherwise I would go for SDM, his post smells like a tamed wolf

[jackvance]

So ong screams villager so you have him on your suspcious list.

classic

otherwise I would go for SDM, his post smells like a tamed wolf

Tamed wolf or genuine, the jury's still out for me.

Oh and Luco has a funny smell this game.

[Luco]

I will be voting for a low content poster on day 1 and probably day 2. With each passing day it gets harder to pick off the inactives so we need to do it early. All any of you need to do to avoid my vote for now is contribute.

With that said, there's only 6(?) hours left today so br and warpe are running out of time.

Ong, I understand your argument that bigred is likely villager and its a fair point but will we, as a village, still remember that argument on day 5 when the field is smaller and he still hasn't put the effort in? I think not. He will always be a question mark and tbh you should have let his wagon grow a bit more before making the point that you did.

[Luco]

Oh and Luco has a funny smell this game.

I am a little overdue for my monthly wash...

You and I have a similar approach to ww so hopefully my role will become clear to you soon, and vice versa

[jackvance]

Fair enough.

[GatorJH]

I agree with JV that we need some agreement in the village on who the preferred targets are
Of BR does not show up I think we need to lynch him, otherwise I would go for SDM, his post smells like a tamed wolf

Agreed. I see where he is coming from. If the village simply agrees to vote inactives at the end of the day then there is very little conversation going on, which is bad for the village.

If BID rolls wolf I think we need to look at Keith because the last game Keith and Gabe's Day 1 antics put Keith in lock villager status with a lot of people.

I'm not saying that is going on here, but it should at least be looked at.

Luco seems to be echoing thoughts and putting out general strategy (gonna vote inactives day 1 and 2) which makes it easier to play as a wolf, especially if you declare the strategy.

JV seems villager but is hard as fuck to read so cautious villager.

[GatorJH]

Day ends in about 6 hours and it is Saturday so I don't expect much discussion to happen.

lynch Bigred

[NightGizmo]

However if we can reach a village consensus over a long enough period of time then we have a good chance of finding a wolf. For this reason I wouldn't take inactives as auto-lynches. It's also too easy for the wolves to play if they know we'll be forced to lynch someone in particular.

I don't think anyone is advocating auto-lynching inactives throughout the game. That's not a winning strategy. But on day 1, we have very little information to work with. Day-1 soulreads are rarely correct, and you end up just throwing a hail mary hoping for a lucky break. Given that BR is always inactive throughout the game, silently sliding into endgame, he's a good choice -- especially for this game, where he hasn't even bothered to show up yet.

Anyway, I find it strange that you picked that one fragment out of Keith's response to SDM. Keith was attacking SDM for suddenly announcing that he's disappearing but will be around enough to follow another player's vote -- in other words, he's going to be doing the bare minimum to stay alive. Why the deflection to a discussion around lynching inactives?

[jyms]

Day ends in about 6 hours and it is Saturday so I don't expect much discussion to happen.

This. For that reason my vote stands and I am out for a BBQ.

[TLR]

​lynch BR

[NightGizmo]

lynch bigred

[Luco]

Luco seems to be echoing thoughts and putting out general strategy (gonna vote inactives day 1 and 2) which makes it easier to play as a wolf, especially if you declare the strategy.

Well that sounded familiar. Post #455 of the previous game:

luco - seemed to be echoing thoughts more than putting in his own thoughts.

You were a wolf and I was a villager. Deja vu?

[jackvance]

I don't think anyone is advocating auto-lynching inactives throughout the game. That's not a winning strategy. But on day 1, we have very little information to work with. Day-1 soulreads are rarely correct, and you end up just throwing a hail mary hoping for a lucky break. Given that BR is always inactive throughout the game, silently sliding into endgame, he's a good choice -- especially for this game, where he hasn't even bothered to show up yet.

Anyway, I find it strange that you picked that one fragment out of Keith's response to SDM. Keith was attacking SDM for suddenly announcing that he's disappearing but will be around enough to follow another player's vote -- in other words, he's going to be doing the bare minimum to stay alive. Why the deflection to a discussion around lynching inactives?

My point wasn't related to Keith's position on SDM, I just quoted that part because it related to what I wanted to say.

[Luco]

lynch bigred

[wufwugy]

i count bugrud on 7

[Keith]

hang the bugrug over a branch and beat the hell out of it for being a doormat this game .

[Keith]

Well that sounded familiar. Post #455 of the previous game:



You were a wolf and I was a villager. Deja vu?

just lol

[GatorJH]

Well that sounded familiar. Post #455 of the previous game:



You were a wolf and I was a villager. Deja vu?

That is pretty interesting and will probably tilt the crap out of you when you see I am a villager this game. Can you say balanced range?

[rong]

Lynch bigred. Ain't nothing gonna stop that now anyway.

[BankItDrew]

Agree with rong

lynch bigred

[bigred]

Oops! Forgot about this one. No worries guys. I'm just a villager and probably a good day 1 kill.

[bigred]

lynch gator​ if he's playing

[Luco]

Hey bigred, thanks for stopping by. Bit too close to the deadline though

[Luco]

Anyone else online wanna switch to warpe? He's the only one facing modkill now

[bigred]

Hey bigred, thanks for stopping by. Bit too close to the deadline though

Hey Luco. Quite all right, ol chap. I've grown quite tired of living.

Look, a cat!

[Luco]

ha ha, yay catpic!

[StillDeadMoney]

Is it really better to lynch an inactive rather than go wolf hunting on the first day?

Some people are saying that Keith looks like a wolf. I'll make my decision about that tomorrow.

rescind rilla
lynch bigred

I'll put the final nail in bigred's coffin so we can get this game rolling.

My end of day wolf suspects are rilla, gator, gizmo, and tlr.

[wufwugy]

I count at least ten. bugrud is a billager

The Living

bid
ong
gabe
sdm
warpe
donkbee
keith
jv
jyms
rong
gizmo
gator
daven
hoopy
rilla
tlr
luco

The Dead

ur mom
bugrud

The Village

10 villagers
1 every night seer
1 every night angel who can't target the same player on subsequent nights
1 even night vig that can't save bullets and starts firing on Night 2
4 wolves

Tis Night 1. Wolves and specials have 24 hours to PM me ur shit. You guys can talk all you want, about whatever you want, during the night phase

[StillDeadMoney]

That was 100% expected. Wolves now get a free swing at the specials. I have a feeling the seer is going to die tonight and the wolves will LOL their way to victory.

[Luco]

Talking at night is bad for the village.
Talking at night is always pro village.

Discuss.

[Hoopy]

Talking at night is bad for the village.
Talking at night is always pro village.

Discuss.

Well more discussion & posts is good for the village up to a point, eventually we need to get that first wolf.

I guess the main worry is giving the wolves info on specials, though tbh I don't think the likelihood of specials messing up is any greater at night than in the day.

[gabe]

talking at night is fine as long as youre not a fish about it

speaking of fishy, id like to address this before all the decisions have been made

I am a little overdue for my monthly wash...

You and I have a similar approach to ww so hopefully my role will become clear to you soon, and vice versa

what plain villagers refer to their assignment as a role? ive never seen this. the word role usually describes a special power or a wolf. i know you are trying to say you are a villager, but this choice of words seems unusual.

if you were a special role, that would be valuable, and you wouldnt try to suggest you were one. so i think you arent likely the angel or seer

if you were a nobody, it is a very strange word choice.

if you were a wolf, you could say this as a freeroll, hoping the village would not kill you because you might have a (special) role


i think the wolves should kill you tonight. but now that i posted this, maybe they shouldnt. and if you are a wolf, they arent killing you anyway.

so in conclusion, luco has done the most suspicious thing so far in this thread. ive considered the implications for posting at night and i think its better to say it before the day starts


i think SDM, keith and luco all smell funny. we should focus in their direction

[Hoopy]

here. villager. time to hunt some wolves. and make day 1 soulreads.

Lynch 'rilla obviously

nah, rescind 'rilla, lynch ong

Not normal for daven. If he was late as a villager I think he'd put down some general reads (even if they were wrong) rather than just check in. Wolfy.

Here's my theory on how villagers and wolves will perceive me as a villager this game: Villagers will call me a liability and want me out; wolves will consider me as an asset and will come to my defense. Now I understand that this idea may bring more heat than anything, but I don't care. This makes the most sense. So, ironically, the most suspect players in my eye are those who defend me early on.

I wouldn't rely on this.

[Luco]

Gabe, when I wrote that I was simply acknowledging that if Jv is town then he doesn't know if I'm town or wolf. 'role' was a word that fitted quite nicely, can you think of a better one? I didn't intend to imply that he could figure out if I'm vanilla or not.

[Keith]

After last game i think that there's a good chance that i will be seered and that the wolves will want to make sure that i get seered so that they can eat me night 2 or 3 and remove one of the lookups with a chance at a special at the same time. Its a strategy that they are bound to have discussed or to use the villages suspicion of me to get me lynched. Gabe's recent post just seems off , why bring up Luco's "role" post as it will only alert the wolves to something that may have some meaning that they may not have picked up on .

Since I think its unlikely i'm going to make it past night 2 or 3 anyway, it will be easier for vigilante to shoot me tomorrow night. Advantages of that is that its not going to risk angel or seer getting hit. the seer won't waste a lookup on me as i'm going to be dead night 2 so increases the chances (slightly) of looking up a wolf and the village won't be wondering if the people I target tomorrow are part of some wolf plan. Since i think the wolves are going to have been stoking suspicion on me to ensure i get seered, who has been trying to do this.

Did you just accuse the mod of the game of cheating?

Interesting. If you're a wolf, you know I'm on the village's side, and then Gator and rilla would never be looked at according to your recommendation. Two people that I already pointed out as potential wolves.

Unless leveling. "Guys, rilla and Gator aren't wolves because they're engaging in suboptimal play". Then use that to cover them until the end of the game.

I still like a bigred lynch for day 1 unless he actively starts participating. But the seer should scan one of my wolf suspects: rilla, gator, and keith.

so SDM was pretty blatant about it and bad enough to have done a wolf plan to stoke suspicion on me this obviously.

Yeah I distinctly remember Gator saying something like this, though it is true that he's rarely nommed early.

Thinking of that last game also reminded me that my reads on keith were waaaay off, need to actually comb his posts this time rather than assuming things.

pretty subtle ....could be villager though

I'm terribly sorry that I haven't checked in yet. I was in Vegas for a week until a couple days ago and just straight up forgot about Werewolf. Last time I checked the forum, ong was going to mod. Thankfully, I was able to get this post in before the Day 1 deadline! Sorry to disappoint those who wanted me mod killed.

To be fair, I am getting better at this game and I was dealt the short end of the stick imo on a couple of occasions. Anyways, here's my first contribution:


Along with ong, I agree with this. I also agree with rilla when he says that good wolves do not necessarily mean they make for good villagers.


I'm not as bad as you think I am, I think.

Here's my theory on how villagers and wolves will perceive me as a villager this game: Villagers will call me a liability and want me out; wolves will consider me as an asset and will come to my defense. Now I understand that this idea may bring more heat than anything, but I don't care. This makes the most sense. So, ironically, the most suspect players in my eye are those who defend me early on.

This is the first player to come to gators defense, and to rilla's offense. On one hand he attacks me but on the other I feel like he could just be jousting with fellow wolves on Day 1. This is such a common tactic of Keiths that I'm suspicious of.

rong is coming after me - villager

gabe comes to my defense - wolf



I love getting into arguments with jyms but I agree with him here. I've actually never enjoyed bigreds participation in any of the games we've played. I find his posts to be mainly pointless and boring.



That's not true at all. I have always had winning on the mind as a villager and when I was a wolf I was often the first player to suggest throwing myself under the bus.


Luco - wolf

+1 best post of Day 1 imo. Starting to change my mind on bigred

I find gators first three posts very anti-climatic for a guy who showed excitement before about the possibility of not being a wolf, again. If I were him, I'd be like "OMFG I'M A VILLAGER THIS GAME GUYS! FINALLY!!!!!!!! " Instead, he gives us some basic posts with hardly any emotion. It screams boredom.

Ong decides to give me a bold because of my apparent lack of quality content that may help the village. This screams villagery - getting rid of dead weight.

TLR came to my defense though and made an excellent point about not killing inactives for being inactive, because that would be a wasted lynch when inactives may be modkilled anyways. Villager.

Early wolf reads: Three of, Keith, Gator, Rilla, Ong.

Take ong off of my list and sub in Luco and gabe.

Again , pointing suspicion at me with the opposite of his theory and bad enough to misapply a wolf plan.

Agreed. I see where he is coming from. If the village simply agrees to vote inactives at the end of the day then there is very little conversation going on, which is bad for the village.

If BID rolls wolf I think we need to look at Keith because the last game Keith and Gabe's Day 1 antics put Keith in lock villager status with a lot of people.

I'm not saying that is going on here, but it should at least be looked at.

Luco seems to be echoing thoughts and putting out general strategy (gonna vote inactives day 1 and 2) which makes it easier to play as a wolf, especially if you declare the strategy.

JV seems villager but is hard as fuck to read so cautious villager.

typical of wolf gator with a subtle hint for a theme for others to follow up on later in the game.

talking at night is fine as long as youre not a fish about it

speaking of fishy, id like to address this before all the decisions have been made

what plain villagers refer to their assignment as a role? ive never seen this. the word role usually describes a special power or a wolf. i know you are trying to say you are a villager, but this choice of words seems unusual.

if you were a special role, that would be valuable, and you wouldnt try to suggest you were one. so i think you arent likely the angel or seer

if you were a nobody, it is a very strange word choice.

if you were a wolf, you could say this as a freeroll, hoping the village would not kill you because you might have a (special) role


i think the wolves should kill you tonight. but now that i posted this, maybe they shouldnt. and if you are a wolf, they arent killing you anyway.

so in conclusion, luco has done the most suspicious thing so far in this thread. ive considered the implications for posting at night and i think its better to say it before the day starts


i think SDM, keith and luco all smell funny. we should focus in their direction

THis just seems blatant at trying to steer the seers lookup. Last game Gabe made some big errors in the early game that we pointed out in the wolf chat, has he done it again.

[gabe]

Gabe's recent post just seems off , why bring up Luco's "role" post as it will only alert the wolves to something that may have some meaning that they may not have picked up on .

its been said many times that this game is filled with good players

there are 4 wolves in this pool of all good players. OBViously a wolf has at least thought about lucos words in the post i quoted. since the wolves know whether luco is village or not, they can respond appropriately. i didnt "give away" any good info they wouldnt already have at their disposal

THis just seems blatant at trying to steer the seers lookup. Last game Gabe made some big errors in the early game that we pointed out in the wolf chat, has he done it again.

not sure if this is crazy keith talking or deliberate-misinformation keith

either way ive already declared i thought your posts suspicious

[Keith]

did you miss this bit

Since I think its unlikely i'm going to make it past night 2 or 3 anyway, it will be easier for vigilante to shoot me tomorrow night. Advantages of that is that its not going to risk angel or seer getting hit. the seer won't waste a lookup on me as i'm going to be dead night 2 so increases the chances (slightly) of looking up a wolf and the village won't be wondering if the people I target tomorrow are part of some wolf plan. Since i think the wolves are going to have been stoking suspicion on me to ensure i get seered, who has been trying to do this.

I'm putting myself up as a safe shot for the vig and to save the seer wasteing a lookup on me and that the wolves are going to try and stoke suspicion on me.....so why are you continuing to stoke suspicion?.

[OngBonga]

Sup, sorry busy weekend. Quick thoughts after sacnning -

keith is unlikely to be a wolf, it would be bold for him to beg for the vig shot if he is.

I'll take a look at SDM when warpe dies. If warpe is a wolf, then SDM's hammer of bigred is fishy and probably means SDM should eat a bullet. But if warpe is villager, well I kinda like SDM for village because bigred claimed not special, it might be better for wolves to try and get warpe lynched instead after bigred posts.

I'll read up before night is done.

[Luco]

Keiths latest posts are really Keith-ish, and I'm unconvinced about SDM being a wolf. I'm thinking there's a wolf in daven, bee, tlr, drew. Bottom four in posts, hiding in the shadows.

[OngBonga]

Daven concerns me most in the bottom tier of posters. The votes on rilla and then me lack any reasoning, which is unusual for daven. Then again, as wolf daven has a tendancy to spam the thread with post after post of catchup, so maybe I should be towning him.

TLR is standard quiet d1. I haven't played with courtney before. drew is probably adjusting, and his few posts seem pretty villagery.

I wouldn't be surprised if all the inactives are villagers. Warpe is obviously a wild card seeing as he hasn't posted, but we'll see what wuf does with him.

[BankItDrew]

Gabe is villager. Keith is a wolf.

One down two to go.

Ong is turning villagery.

[BankItDrew]

Three*

Okay. I'm as bad as you think. Wow.

[BankItDrew]

I feel like I can't do anything right in this game. And no, this is not wolf bid trying to play to my image.

[Keith]

so if i'm a wolf why do i want the VIG to shoot me then BID? .......this is feeling extremely like a bid/gabe wolf team and BID just thought he was not dropping gabe in it with his two to go comment and not realised until it was too late that the inference of that comment is that he is a wolf himself, and if he is a wolf why try and insist that i am a wolf in preference to gabe.

do you still think you are not as bad as we all think BID?

[OngBonga]

Ok so reading through d1...

Gator is by every measure the best day 1 lynch in every game format.

This was true last game but someone tried to sell that Gator was a good villager and I let it drop only to later find out that he was legitimately a wolf in every game I skipped. Good wolves don't make good villagers.

This is rilla's entrance. This doesn't feel natural to me. I feel that killing gator d1 because he's so awesome a wolf is a dangerous precedent to set. Does that make him auto d1 kill every game? Is that how we reward sick wolfing? Rilla is not thinking this through at all, and that's not like him. Rilla could be a wolf.

SDM's comments about no role strike me as an attempt to fuck with the wolves. This is the kind of thing I remember SDM doing. I can't see him doing that as a wolf so quickly after so long not playing. If SDM is wolf, I think he is a little more friendly in the hope of not pissing people off, aware he's possible d1 lynch. SDM in my villager camp.

rong enters by quickly narrowing it down to bigred. SDM was the first to suggest bigred, rong's post was the 2nd person to put pressure on bigred. Not sure about dan just yet.

gabe ploughs in with a bigred vote. jyms follows suit. Good chance of a wolf here. I'll have more to say about jyms later.

gizmo says he'd be happy with bigred or drew, doesn't join the bigred wagon just yet though.

luco happy with bigred. jack happy with bigred. This is what I mean about him being so easy to lynch. Plenty of people willing, including me up to this point. This is where I try to stall the wagon, it seemed obvious to me by now that bigred must be a villager because everyone is coming in and saying yeah bigred is fine by me. But noone listens to ong, do they?

rong points a vague finger at me for pooping the anti-bigred party.

rilla comes back in with more anti-gator rhetoric, and points vague fingers at jack and gizmo. I think rilla is wolfin.

gizmo starting to post some content. He's finding rilla wolfy too so I'm liking gizmo while I'm unhappy with rilla. Oh yeah and gizmo's rolefishy type comment. It's one of those situations where it kinda leans villager when it shouldn't. I think a wolf would be more aware of comments that look like rolefishing, knowing it looks wolfy, and would thus be less likely to say it in the thread, instead saying it in the den. So villager lean for gizmo.

gator seems relaxed. Would he be relaxed if he binked wolf again? Probably not. Would he act relaxed? Yup. gator is not the kind of guy who will shit on his buddies because he didn't want to be a wolf. He'll do his best. So I'm not happy to dismiss gator as villager because he isn't raging all over the thread. He's too hard to read on d1, so I'm not going to try.

And we get to jyms...

This sounds strange coming from you. You usually spend far more time picking people apart and not defending on Day one. You know BR is a villager and are looking for town credit when he dies.

Wolf 1 is Ong

Let me be clear too. I'm not saying lets kill the inactives, I am saying BR is always inactive. I'm saying let's kill BR to stop the late game BR not giving us any posts to get a clue.

This doesn't make sense. If jyms is a villager, then he should want me dead before deciding to lynch bigred. Yes bigred can be dead weight, but if we know he's villager, then it doesn't matter. You found a reason that bigred might be a villager, even though he hadn't posted yet. But still you want to kill him. Note that when I found a reason for him to be a villager, ie how easy it was to lynch him, I wanted to lynch someone else. That's because I like having my villager reads left alive.

And drew - that comment about three to go could be a pov slip.

So I'm thinking rilla jyms drew. Last one is probably skating by, so I'll punt at hoopy.

Boom. d1 soulread.