Russians vs. Americans: A Werewolf Game for October 2015

Originally Posted by lilrascal

I've caught up on the thread. Here's where I stand with my reads for now:

Villa Leans
Beck
Ong
Luco
MMM
TTT

NightGizmo

Neutral
Wufwugy
Kami
JKDS
Hifi

BATM
SMF

No read - Need more posting
aubreymcfate
Bigred
Boog
Dsaxton
ShipItUp

Wolf Leans
rilla
BID
gabe

This is why you're a villager? I'm still waiting for you to explain EoD last night. You were a moot vote.

Originally Posted by lilrascal

What didn't make sense to me is that you were the lead wagon for most of the day. If you're claim would have been real you would have done it sooner and not wait that late in the day. That's why I didn't believe it, and as you've already said, I was correct in that read as well as thinking BID was a wolf.

I still don't know why you would have made that claim as a vanilla villager. Please explain that thought process better. I thought BID was wolfy, but I wasn't 100% sure like you were.

What percentage of the time would you say BID is a wolf there? I think 90% minimum. That means I kill a role-blocked backup poisoner 10% of the time. Gabe argues that this would have been devastating to the village as I get killed the next day. Meh, I argue otherwise and honestly, I didn't think the next day completely through.

I wasn't dying there with BID an obvious wolf. That would have been devestating, imo.

Originally Posted by BooG690

This is why you're a villager? I'm still waiting for you to explain EoD last night. You were a moot vote.

Why don't you actually read my posts?

It wasn't a moot vote IMO, the VC that was posted just before I voted had it tied. I voted to break the tie. Both PNAW and I placed our votes in the last couple of minutes before EOD.

The final VC that was corrected did have it 5-3 though, so I guess you're technically correct.

But, what point are you trying to make here?

Originally Posted by lilrascal

Why? All he said is that he wasn't a good lynch. That's not a bread crumb to his role.

This is a good example of why I felt how I feel about you. You're being purposely dense and misleading here.

Originally Posted by lilrascal

What didn't make sense to me is that you were the lead wagon for most of the day. If you're claim would have been real you would have done it sooner and not wait that late in the day. That's why I didn't believe it, and as you've already said, I was correct in that read as well as thinking BID was a wolf.

I don't get lynched easily. I know how wagon dynamics worked and I thought Drew would have been lynched that night. I didn't think I would really have been lynched the way wagons change so readily.

Originally Posted by lilrascal

I still don't know why you would have made that claim as a vanilla villager. Please explain that thought process better. I thought BID was wolfy, but I wasn't 100% sure like you were.

So you had BID as more wolfy than I? That's totally against what you thought EoD last night.

Originally Posted by lilrascal

Why don't you actually read my posts?

It's not just your posts. It's difficult for me to catch up on the days without skimming through.

Originally Posted by BooG690

This is a good example of why I felt how I feel about you. You're being purposely dense and misleading here.

I don't get lynched easily. I know how wagon dynamics worked and I thought Drew would have been lynched that night. I didn't think I would really have been lynched the way wagons change so readily.

So you had BID as more wolfy than I? That's totally against what you thought EoD last night.

I didn't say that, but nice try at trying to twist my words around. I was going to see what you had to say to see if there was a good reason to change my vote, but you're not helping yourself here.

Originally Posted by lilrascal

I thought BID was wolfy, but I wasn't 100% sure like you were.

What else does this possibly mean then?

Originally Posted by BooG690

It's not just your posts. It's difficult for me to catch up on the days without skimming through.

So, you're calling me a wolf for no real reason and refusing to listen to others (like Luco) that have read the thread and called me lock clear.

Good talk.

If you want me to change my vote, then go do something villagery like read the thread and give us your thoughts on who the top wolves and villas are.

Originally Posted by BooG690

What? I don't understand the "makes bid false" part.

boog: "hey guys im the real backup poisoner. lynch bid instead of me"

village: "makes sense"

Originally Posted by BooG690

What else does this possibly mean then?

I was referring to the following post:

Originally Posted by BooG690

Confession: I'm vanilla.


I was going to be lynched and I thought a fake-claim was best for the village due to self-preservation. I was a mislynch and 99% sure BID was a wolf (he had basically outted himself). I knew a fake-claim would result in BID getting lynched a percentage of the time.


I confess now as some logic is already getting skewed (MMM saying I'm a lock villager here, Gabe asking me for my opinion). Also, it would be pretty bad if the real backup poisoner outed. I'm a vanilla villager and back in the PoE pile. I get that. Apologies if my play was fucked.

Ok, you actually said 99%, not 100%.

rascal is quite an unlikely wolf. both his eod bid lynch behavior and the early wolf list make him very unlikely wolf

Originally Posted by wufwugy

rascal is quite an unlikely wolf. both his eod bid lynch behavior and the early wolf list make him very unlikely wolf

Wuf explains Rascal is unlikely wolf based on "eod bid lynch behavior" (am I twisting words yet?).

Originally Posted by wufwugy

wolf

Wuf calls Rascal a wolf seven minutes before deadline.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

that's not what he said. you're tomorrow's lynch

Wuf to Rascal four minutes before deadline.

So what about rascal's "eod bid lynch behavior" makes him an unlikely wolf, Wuf?

Originally Posted by BooG690

Wuf explains Rascal is unlikely wolf based on "eod bid lynch behavior" (am I twisting words yet?).
Wuf calls Rascal a wolf seven minutes before deadline.Wuf to Rascal four minutes before deadline.

So what about rascal's "eod bid lynch behavior" makes him an unlikely wolf, Wuf?

the actual lynch

Woooooooo Go Blue Jays!!!

Almost jinxed em lol

KC never gives up, good team :thumb:

Originally Posted by lilrascal

I mentioned this earlier, but I thought I'd mention it again since I didn't see anyone comment on it. I think the villa poisoner should refrain from using their power so that the healer doesn't have to pick who to save. This way, the healer can always save who got poisoned, but we don't take it into account to clear anyone unnecessarily in case of wolf FPS.

It will also make it harder for the wolves to win since we're at 10/2 and wolves would have to get too many mislynches IMO to get a win here.

Thoughts?

good thinking BUT the wolves should be able to exploit us doing that. if the healer always saved whoever got poisoned, then the wolves should poison a wolf. i like your idea.. its a great idea, if only you were the poisoner AND you kept it secret.

i think the poisoner should just pick gator or SMF, depending on their feeling based on the results of BATM and boog. i think putting poison on any of the nonlock villagers give us a tiny bit of EV

thoughts?

Originally Posted by gabe

good thinking BUT the wolves should be able to exploit us doing that. if the healer always saved whoever got poisoned, then the wolves should poison a wolf. i like your idea.. its a great idea, if only you were the poisoner AND you kept it secret.

i think the poisoner should just pick gator or SMF, depending on their feeling based on the results of BATM and boog. i think putting poison on any of the nonlock villagers give us a tiny bit of EV

thoughts?

If we just saved whoever was poisoned and then ignore the fact that they were poisoned then this just becomes a vanilla game and we just vote the wolfier players. We're at 10/2, so the numbers are on our side.

oh i liked the idea if its a secret because then we can use that plan to get an informational advantage. the advantage would come from the wolves definitely poisoning a villager and, in this way, clearing someone for us villagers

you like it because it minimizes villager losses

i think we should try to poison a wolf tonight since the pool of targets is small

Originally Posted by gabe

good thinking BUT the wolves should be able to exploit us doing that. if the healer always saved whoever got poisoned, then the wolves should poison a wolf. i like your idea.. its a great idea, if only you were the poisoner AND you kept it secret.

i think the poisoner should just pick gator or SMF, depending on their feeling based on the results of BATM and boog. i think putting poison on any of the nonlock villagers give us a tiny bit of EV

thoughts?

I was thinking the same thing.

Originally Posted by gabe

oh i liked the idea if its a secret because then we can use that plan to get an informational advantage. the advantage would come from the wolves definitely poisoning a villager and, in this way, clearing someone for us villagers

you like it because it minimizes villager losses

i think we should try to poison a wolf tonight since the pool of targets is small

Again, I agree here.

When my grandpa was younger he could go to the shops with a shilling and come back with bread, milk, eggs and a pound of sausages

He says he can't do it now though, too many security cameras

I think the poisoner should continue to poison, every single night. Don't know if it's optimal but in games that have new mechanics I do like to see them used

I'll get a bunch of shit for this but I'm the seer.


N0: Ong
N1: Drew
N2: Gator - vill


I claimed backup poisoner to save myself last night. I thought I would be able to out as vanilla today to keep my identity safe. That didn't work. Here I am, then.

Originally Posted by BooG690

I'll get a bunch of shit for this but I'm the seer.


N0: Ong
N1: Drew
N2: Gator - vill


I claimed backup poisoner to save myself last night. I thought I would be able to out as vanilla today to keep my identity safe. That didn't work. Here I am, then.

LOL

This game is fun

rescind boog

I don't even know what's going on anymore

Originally Posted by BooG690

I'll get a bunch of shit for this but I'm the seer.


N0: Ong
N1: Drew
N2: Gator - vill


I claimed backup poisoner to save myself last night. I thought I would be able to out as vanilla today to keep my identity safe. That didn't work. Here I am, then.

So you peeked drew wolf n1?

Originally Posted by Luco

So you peeked drew wolf n1?

Drew spymaster N1.

Originally Posted by BooG690

Drew spymaster N1.

Yet when the ITA came, you shot BATM...

Originally Posted by Luco

Yet when the ITA came, you shot BATM...

Risk getting heat and being outed 85% of the time?

rescind

I ain't got time for this shit. I am teaching labs from 2:30 to 10:00 tonight.

Frankly, I don't care.

If no CC, lynch boog. There's no way this FPSing lives to lylo.

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

Frankly, I don't care.

If no CC, lynch boog. There's no way this FPSing lives to lylo.

I meant if there IS a CC.

Originally Posted by BooG690

You're wrong. SIU is a wolf here with all EOD switches going to Gizmo. I can't imagine any sane villager choosing to lynch Gizmo over SIU due to content alone.

Go on...


Why is HiFi on the do not shoot list? I see nothing from him that makes me lean either way. I agree with this list other than that.

Everything said, I like Beck and gabe as core villagers though I've been tricked by gabe badly about three games ago. I'm a lot more scared of trusting him this game due to that.

OngBonga is playing his classic tunneling game. As was said, if BID fake outed, it will resolve itself. Taking a shot at him is just awful.

This was an early d2 post from you, boog. That last sentence dude...

Like, apparently by this point you knew he was wolf seer (and he hadn't been roleblocked yet) but here you're saying don't shoot him i.e. give him another day and another lookup.

I'm struggling to believe your claim here

Originally Posted by Luco

This was an early d2 post from you, boog. That last sentence dude...

Like, apparently by this point you knew he was wolf seer (and he hadn't been roleblocked yet) but here you're saying don't shoot him i.e. give him another day and another lookup.

I'm struggling to believe your claim here

I understand I didn't play seer as well as I could have. How do I speak up there and say we should kill an outed PR without looking like the seer? Keeping wolf BID alive there didn't bother me any.

Originally Posted by BooG690

I understand I didn't play seer as well as I could have. How do I speak up there and say we should kill an outed PR without looking like the seer? Keeping wolf BID alive there didn't bother me any.

Giving the wolves an extra rolepeek should have bothered you some

lol I don't believe this but what we gonna do?

If boog is wolf, then we should expect this.

rescind

Lol boog. Please kill me already, this game is Aids.
My god the level of play is pathetic. Let's just kill his ass and teach him a lesson.
What is the role?

lunch Boog he didn't even try to kill bid or raise suspicions when there was a lot of heat on bid already.
He could have easily drop a shot on him or be a more vocal pusher.

Originally Posted by TheBrokenATM

Lol boog. Please kill me already, this game is Aids.
My god the level of play is pathetic. Let's just kill his ass and teach him a lesson.
What is the role?

3 wolves dead in two days and the game is aids?

Notice that boog also knows I'm a villager. If he didn't want to shoot a wolf and not put himself then why shoot at all? Why no save his shot?
Instead he shot a villager to "get by"
If I was a wolf He would draw heat also.

We got a seer scared to push a wolf he peeked cuz of heat? But shooting a villager is ok?
What a dumbass. So self aware, that's a wolf way of thinking.

Originally Posted by TheBrokenATM

Notice that boog also knows I'm a villager. If he didn't want to shoot a wolf and not put himself then why shoot at all? Why no save his shot?
Instead he shot a villager to "get by"
If I was a wolf He would draw heat also.

There was no saving shots. I don't think you understand the game dynamics very well.

Btw pro tip. Wolves don't miss itas, that's horrible if any wolf just don't show to ITas. Should be easy to figure it out.
Boog could have shot at people bid defended or defended bid.

Well I was hoping I could get boog to spew some but BATM seems intent on shutting him down, so

lynch boog

We either kill a wolf or confirm two villagers (ong & gator), one of which is still in the PoE so I cannot see a downside

Saving a shot means not shooting. As in what I did, I didn't shoot cuz I didn't know who was villa or wolf and didn't want to kill a villager which gives us one less day.
He has a wolf and a villager peek.
He doesn't push or shoots at wolf but instead feels better to shoot a villager?
Do u understand he is TMI I'm a villager? How does he know if he didn't peek me?
He didn't want to shoot a WOLF cuz it brings heat. So he shot who? Fucking dumb are you?
He wouldn't shoot if he was afraid to hit a wolf and drawing NK.
He's claim makes zero sense. What if I'm a wolf?
Wouldn't I think oh shit he peeked me

Boog u should have spew me villager before I was already dead

Originally Posted by TheBrokenATM

Saving a shot means not shooting. As in what I did, I didn't shoot cuz I didn't know who was villa or wolf and didn't want to kill a villager which gives us one less day.
He has a wolf and a villager peek.
He doesn't push or shoots at wolf but instead feels better to shoot a villager?
Do u understand he is TMI I'm a villager? How does he know if he didn't peek me?
He didn't want to shoot a WOLF cuz it brings heat. So he shot who? Fucking dumb are you?
He wouldn't shoot if he was afraid to hit a wolf and drawing NK.
He's claim makes zero sense. What if I'm a wolf?
Wouldn't I think oh shit he peeked me

Wow. You're a miserable cunt.

Yeah, I played seer badly. I brought up the idea of not shooting anyone and that was shot down. You were on the shoot list, I shot.

Originally Posted by Luco

Well I was hoping I could get boog to spew some but BATM seems intent on shutting him down, so

lynch boog

We either kill a wolf or confirm two villagers (ong & gator), one of which is still in the PoE so I cannot see a downside

I'm certainly down with this although when he shows up wolf I expect to be poisoned and will die the following day.

However, if that happens I will spend that day trying to figure out who the last wolf is.

As a side note though if he does turn out to be the seer because it will validate my read that he wasn't a wolf.

Originally Posted by BooG690

Wow. You're a miserable cunt.

Yeah, I played seer badly. I brought up the idea of not shooting anyone and that was shot down. You were on the shoot list, I shot.

Boog, here is the problem with your story. Without double checking I am pretty sure just about everyone in the game was wanting Drew to take a shot so your cover was probably safe with that shot.

I just cant see a player of boogs calibre misplaying seer this badly

He has to go

My post above should have read "wanting Drew shot", not "wanting Drew to take a shot".

Originally Posted by GatorJH

Boog, here is the problem with your story. Without double checking I am pretty sure just about everyone in the game was wanting Drew to take a shot so your cover was probably safe with that shot.

I had openly stated that I inteded to shoot drew, and I was told by two people they'd shoot me if I did that because he was claimed backup. While I was confident enough to shoot, I obviously wasn't confident enough that I'd be successful.

As seer, boog isn't gonna shoot drew in that spot. However, when he counterclaims drew, he should be pushing it right there and then instead of parking on BATM.

I'm not buying this claim and I'm willing to risk it.

lynch boog

Originally Posted by GatorJH

Boog, here is the problem with your story. Without double checking I am pretty sure just about everyone in the game was wanting Drew to take a shot so your cover was probably safe with that shot.

Nobody wanted Drew shot.

I did.

Originally Posted by Luco

I just cant see a player of boogs calibre misplaying seer this badly

He has to go

You're giving me too much credit here. Me getting a power role is bad all around. I'm naturally wolfy and get heat quickly. This means I'm against the wall a lot. I don't hate my play here. I should have pushed BID harder, fine. However, I kept my identity concealed for as long as I could.

I'm a cunt. But a well known wolf cunter and I am a worldwide known for owning cunt who play bad.
I'm ruthless and I hunt wolves or those who suck as villa and play like wolves.
You are one of those two. Don't care which, my mission is to teach others not be a saint.
I am God and punish any sinner, don't matter your intent

Did u ask drew what he thought of me? Why didn't u fish for info?

BATM is actually making me nervous here. he could be a wolf who is trying to force through a seer lynch.

I think I'm just being paranoid.

Let's not get derailed. I think we lynch boog without BATM's help, so whatever.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

BATM is actually making me nervous here. he could be a wolf who is trying to force through a seer lynch.

It doesn't matter what he says - he dies at the end of the day.

BATM is very pleasant

Well it's pretty clear to me that there's not two wolves dying today.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Well it's pretty clear to me that there's not two wolves dying today.

Yep, but unfortunately we can't do anything about it.

on d2 boog was tied for the lead with a minute to go, then rascal nailed drew.

Can boog show me where he dropped his n0 peek on me? Because it doesn't look like he was going to tell us before deadline.

Originally Posted by BooG690

For the record, I have gabe as a core villager along with Beck. This makes it difficult for this "fight" of yours to happen, MMM.

Here's where boog could drop a clear on me.

Nah I'm not buying this claim one bit.

Originally Posted by BooG690

I don't hate my play here.

If you're seer then I do.

I think if you were seer you would have outed at the start of today, especially as you had already lied. I mean, you'd only get a rolepeek tonight and there's only one wolf pr left - even if you got 'poisoner' returned tonight what would you do with the info? The chances of you surviving long enough to get another meaningful peek (an alignment peek) aren't great, so why not just come clean at the first opportunity?

Originally Posted by OngBonga

on d2 boog was tied for the lead with a minute to go, then rascal nailed drew.

Can boog show me where he dropped his n0 peek on me? Because it doesn't look like he was going to tell us before deadline.

Did he say your name even once on D1?

Originally Posted by BooG690

Nobody wanted Drew shot.

i happen to have made a post that was directed at you earlier that made it pretty clear this^ was not true http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...38#post2250438

I don't think so, but I'll admit I didn't look at isloated posts, just the list of his posts, so I'm missing bits off the long ones.

i dont think we need to debate his claim

if he was the seer, he would have been safe if he did not say anything to start the day

think about it... if he claims backup poisoner (BUP), and leads everyone to kill wolf BID, everyone should believe him. except the true BUP, because the BUP knows boog isnt telling the truth. if boog was a villager, then he must be the seer, because otherwise he wouldn't need to fake claim. if boog was the seer, he would not need to fake claim vanillager.

i dont know if that makes sense...

basically, if he continued to claim BUP, then he must be the seer. that would be the only possible explanation. if he did this, i would have not claimed, i would just keep pretending boog was BUP so he could live an extra night. if he kept claiming BUP, he must be village because a wolf would know he's getting counterclaimed by the real BUP eventually

BUP ITT

IDK what the VC is, but Boog is leading atm.

my evidence of this is when the day started, i immediately ask boog what he thought of people. i'm treating him like the seer because i believed he must be the seer if he wasnt a wolf

if boog maintains his claim as the BUP, the true BUP should believe he is a villager and should not out him. this is because a wolf claiming BUP knows he will always get outed eventually, so a wolf should not continue claiming BUP. a seer could claim this role, because they wont be outed when they provide the village useful info

this thread is buppin now


poisoner better not poison gator tonight. gotta poison SMF