Russians vs. Americans: A Werewolf Game for October 2015

Mod note: This game features many new players to FTR and I've massacred long-standing traditions here, so reading this part will be important.

BASIC WW RULES: You are expected to read your role pm and play to your win condition.
You are expected to post on a daily basis. If you go an entire game day without posting at least 1 time, you will be automatically subbed (if a sub is available). If you are unable to meet these requirements, send me a pm and I will find a sub or make some other arrangement.


IMPORTANT RULES: Do not edit posts. Do not post after Night or before Day. Do not talk about the game outside the game thread or wolf chat. Do not discuss mod communications. Players should play and mods should mod. We will do our utmost to not modkill anyone. The mods have the right to give warnings or issue punishments if these rules are broken.



Werewolf is an antagonistic game and arguments are part of the game. Please try to keep it civil and keep it fun.


VOTING: To vote for a lynch, type in bold "lynch Player XXX." If you wish to cancel your vote, type "rescind" in bold. You do not need to "rescind" if you simply vote for another player.


Note on self-voting: Self-voting will result in instant majority lynch and End of Day.


Ties in lynch: This is new: Traditionally ties at FTR are broken by the nominee who reaches the final vote total first. In this game we will break ties by randomizing (by the forum post number). Because this is a poker forum and variance is fun!


ITAs: This game will be feature an ITA session. ITAs are "In-Thread Attacks." On D2, there will be 2 1-hour windows in which you are allowed to shoot at other players in the game, with a 15% chance of killing your target. More rules will be explained at the EOD D1/SOD D2.

Americans: 16 of you are villagers. 12 of you are vanillagers. Your vote and your ITA shots are your weapons. You win by eliminating all wolves.


Healer: You are a villager who holds the power of life and death in your hands. On any game day you are alive, you may choose to heal a poisoned player. You may only use this power once per day. Your decision may be made at any time before that game day's deadline.


Polonium Poisoner: Each night, you may poison a player of your choice. If not healed, that player will die at the end of the next day.

Backup Poisoner: If the village poisoner dies before start of Day 3, you will take his or her job.


Spymaster: You are a villager who can learn the role or alignment of a player each night. On even numbered nights, you may look up the alignment (village, wolf) of a player of your choice. On odd numbered nights, you can learn the role (vanilla, poisoner, backup, seer, etc.) of a player of your choice.

On night 0, you will receive a randomized villager peek.



Russians: 5 of you are wolves in this game. 2 of you are vanilla wolves. Your vote and your ITA shots are your weapons, plus, you know, you're wolves! You have access to a QuickTopic thread for communications with other wolves and deciding your night actions. You win by reaching parity with the village, or when the village is mechanically unable to prevent parity. Each night you may night kill ("nom") one player of your choice. The night kill is a factional action which cannot be stopped (there are no angels in this game) as long as there is one wolf alive.


Spymaster: You are a wolf who specializes in intelligence gathering, deception and subterfuge. Every night starting n1, you may peek a player of your choice and learn his or her role.

Polonium Poisoner: Each night, you may poison a player of your choice. If not healed, that player will die at the end of the next day.

Backup Poisoner: You are a backup to the wolf poisoner. If you are still alive when he or she dies, you will be able to assume full poisoner powers.



Claiming: You may claim your role or character, but please be careful and do not quote any part of your role pm that discusses your character. Wolves will be given safe claims (names not in the game)

Order of night actions: All night actions occur simultaneously. That is, if a poisoner is killed during the night, his action will still be processed.

IT IS NIGHT DO NOT POST

I'll help you guys out.

Two most dangerous players for the final wolf are poisoner and seer. Seer b/c they get an alignment peek tonight (increases confirmed pool), poisoner because he doubles the rate we can work through the PoE. No matter which one the wolf kills tonight we will have more confirmed villas than unconfirmed by close of play tomorrow, so even in a total vacuum and ignoring everyone’s play up to this point we literally can’t lose.

Remember, killing the poisoner doesn't stop his poison working for that night (all night actions are simultaneous). We get two kills tomorrow no matter what.

PMs have been sent out.

Let me know via PM if you haven't received one.

Live Player list:
a500lbgorilla
aubreymcfate
BankItDrew
Beck Novo
Bigred
BooG690
Dsaxton
Gabe
Hifi
JKDS
Kami
lilrascal
Luco
MadMojoMonkey
NightGizmo
OngBonga
ShipItUp
SuperMonkeyFace
TheBrokenATM
TopTierTom
Wufwugy

Still night, do not post!

Miscellaneous notes:

Wolf actions may be proxied.
Length of day will generally be 48 hours, but there will be some tweaking based on my schedule. Night will be 24 hours and the thread will be locked.

OK the wolves have had about a 15-hour head start on the "getting know you" phase/team solidarity etc., so **** this, let's have a pro-villa early start and extra long Day 1.

Day 1 ends 10 p.m. Tuesday EST.

IT IS DAY YOU MAY POST

First

Oh hot shit I was actually first!

Unfortunately I'm a villager because baudib refused to rig the rand to make me woofbros with dsaxton. I'm a sad panda.

But I'm ready to own this thing anyway.

Get rekt, wilves

I've played with a bunch of people in this game before, but BATM is the only one I've played with recently so everyone but him will start with a clean slate from me.

Everyone, that is, except dsax. He and I have known each other for years irl and he agreed to play this game as a personal favor to me, so ideally I'd like to see him live for a while since I have no idea if I'll ever be able to talk him into playing another game with me again. Clearly I won't be taking him off the table indefinitely, as doing so would be objectively terrible, but he is going to get a d1 pass from me unless he does something really egregious. Even then I might not campaign for his death until d2.

Originally Posted by HiFi

I've played with a bunch of people in this game before, but BATM is the only one I've played with recently so everyone but him will start with a clean slate from me.

Everyone, that is, except dsax. He and I have known each other for years irl and he agreed to play this game as a personal favor to me, so ideally I'd like to see him live for a while since I have no idea if I'll ever be able to talk him into playing another game with me again. Clearly I won't be taking him off the table indefinitely, as doing so would be objectively terrible, but he is going to get a d1 pass from me unless he does something really egregious. Even then I might not campaign for his death until d2.

Did you recruit dsax to play with you in this game or is he a regular here

Is he new to WW or experienced

I could probably look this up but I'm lazy and standing in a subway station

Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom

Did you recruit dsax to play with you in this game or is he a regular here

Is he new to WW or experienced

I could probably look this up but I'm lazy and standing in a subway station

I recruited him. As far as I know he has played exactly once before in his life.

I heard there's a game of werewolf being played here

I hereby state that when I refer to monkey, it's supermonkeyface, while madmojomonkey is mojo.

Just clearing that up now.

dsax isn't a reg here.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

dsax isn't a reg here.

K tell me about the personalities of the regulars from FTR

Specifically who are dependable villagers who tend to be correct, who are good wolves who tend to be sneaky, and who are simply bad or trollish and tend to make good backup lynches

Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom

K tell me about the personalities of the regulars from FTR

Specifically who are dependable villagers who tend to be correct, who are good wolves who tend to be sneaky, and who are simply bad or trollish...

I would say the most dependable villagers are rilla and gabe (and gator, who is sub). rilla has been bang on form last few games. Best wolves, gabe and gator. Bad villagers, just bigred really, although on the rare occasion he puts the effort in he's good.

Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom

...and tend to make good backup lynches

A backup lynch? You mean like an easy target when it's Chinese Fire Drill time after a late claim? People like drew and boog tend to get wagonned often on d1, but noone tends to have a specific tag of "backup lynch". I'm not even sure I like that you're thinking like this tbh.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

I would say the most dependable villagers are rilla and gabe (and gator, who is sub). rilla has been bang on form last few games. Best wolves, gabe and gator. Bad villagers, just bigred really, although on the rare occasion he puts the effort in he's good.



A backup lynch? You mean like an easy target when it's Chinese Fire Drill time after a late claim? People like drew and boog tend to get wagonned often on d1, but noone tends to have a specific tag of "backup lynch". I'm not even sure I like that you're thinking like this tbh.

I didn't expect a serious response for some reason, so thanks.

Usually with a player list I'm familiar with I can look at it, and even without seeing the rand, will know the ~6 players who are lynch candidates and the 3 or 4 that will never be lynchable unless peeked wolf. But asking that directly is probably... going to get people upset with me too easily, they'll think it's wolf behavior, yada yada. I think of games in probabilities sometimes, and was interested in your take... also good to know who I should deem as a reliable source of information.

You seem reasonable at any rate. How do you rate yourself in this lineup as a villager and as a wolf?

Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom

You seem reasonable at any rate. How do you rate yourself in this lineup as a villager and as a wolf?

I used to be a solid villager but last few games it seems I've forgotten how to hunt wolves. I blame baudib. As for wolf, I have good games and bad games. I don't tend to shine all villager when I'm wolf. I do when I'm villager.

Anyway I found a wolf.

lynch kami

Votes for hifi after he gets village cred. I swear she was doing that last game... voting for people who she didn't like to see being towned.

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TESTING

TEACH BAUDIB HOW TO BE AN AMERICAN AND SEND HIM BACK TO HIS MUM.

Spoiler: Show

no one has died

I have some thoughts on the poisoning/healing mechanics in this game which might be wildly unpopular but I'm going to get them out there anyway.

The village has a poisoner and a healer, but the wolves only have a poisoner. The village poisoner is super super important because they effectively double our killing power and therefore they need to live as long as possible. The backup poisoner is still vital, but less so because they're only really useful if the first poisoner dies early. The wolf poisoner doubles the wolves killing power too, but they don't have to worry as much about their poisoner dying since their backup will kick in at any point that the original poisoner dies. I still strongly suspect that the wolves will try their hardest to protect their poisoners, possibly to the extent of having them bus vanilla wolves while the seer is still alive (which would still be pretty lol but it might happen).

so every morning we are going to wake up with 2 poisoned players. If we wake up with only 1 poisoned player, either the village poisoner targeted the wolves nk (village poisoner: try hard not to do this) or both teams poisoned the same player. When/if this happens, the lone poisoned player WILL ALWAYS BE A VILLAGER AND SHOULD ALWAYS BE HEALED NO MATTER WHAT. That's pretty obvious but the rest of the poisoning/healing mechanics will take place on the margins.

So when we wake up with 2 poisoned players, what should the healer do? There are a couple different schools of thought here.

The first and usually most popular thing to do is to have everyone discuss who should be healed. This can be good because it allows strong villagers to have input and direct a healer who might be unsure. But it opens the door to a lot of problems because then wolves will have a say in who gets healed as well and it gives them a chance to advocate for the healing of a teammate should one of them happen to be poisoned. It also allows the wolves a chance to play perfectly by only targeting players which they know won't be consensus village healing picks.

Therefore, I am of the opinion that we should all shut the hell up and let the healer decide for themselves who should live and who should die. This guarantees that the decision of who to heal will be made by a villager 100% of the time and it will force the wolves to target players who might be mislynch candidates anyway and the village therefore loses less by them dying because the wolves will have to pull more mislynch candidates out of their hairy asses if they want a shot at winning.

Hope that made sense.

wow dsaxton welcome back to you too

im not sure who did all the recruiting but very cool

the poisoner stuff is a pretty cool way for us to force people to say what they think

Originally Posted by gabe

wow dsaxton welcome back to you too

im not sure who did all the recruiting but very cool

the poisoner stuff is a pretty cool way for us to force people to say what they think

Would like to see more from you.

Originally Posted by gabe

the poisoner stuff is a pretty cool way for us to force people to say what they think

How exactly does this work? I'm unfamiliar with the Poisoner role; are they told that they've been poisoned?

Originally Posted by Beck Novo

How exactly does this work? I'm unfamiliar with the Poisoner role; are they told that they've been poisoned?

Yeah; it's announced to the thread by the mod when day begins. Two people are poisoned, the thread discusses which should be healed. Healer submits PM in private. Preferably one is a wolf. Drives some discussion regardless.

Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom

Yeah; it's announced to the thread by the mod when day begins. Two people are poisoned, the thread discusses which should be healed. Healer submits PM in private. Preferably one is a wolf. Drives some discussion regardless.

That's sweet.

Yes, preferably one is a wolf. But at least one is always a villager, correct?

Originally Posted by Beck Novo

That's sweet.

Yes, preferably one is a wolf. But at least one is always a villager, correct?

Correct, as long as wolves have poisoner still

I probably won't be able to spam this thread to the extent that I usually do on my home forum, but rest assured that when I do post I'm going to go HARD IN THE PAINT and make every word worth it.

Me posting 150+ times a day is still possible but quite unlikely.

Is seer cover a thing here? I'm not going to leave peeks if no one else will.

Originally Posted by HiFi

Is seer cover a thing here? I'm not going to leave peeks if no one else will.

This is more a baudib thing. Some of the players he's brought along do this. Most regs don't tend to.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

This is more a baudib thing. Some of the players he's brought along do this. Most regs don't tend to.

Ok then I will submit to the culture of this board and not leave peeks.

Originally Posted by HiFi

Ok then I will submit to the culture of this board and not leave peeks.

The luco went and left a peek.

Fuck it, seems like a solid strat where there's no angel.

n0 hifi v

Originally Posted by OngBonga

The luco went and left a peek.

Fuck it, seems like a solid strat where there's no angel.

n0 hifi v

ok then

if I'm seer my peek hasn't posted yet

Originally Posted by OngBonga

The luco went and left a peek.

Fuck it, seems like a solid strat where there's no angel.

n0 hifi v

Yeah im a go getta
Im a trend setta
Until I was 12 I was a bed wetta

Having a wolf poisoner with full backup seems almost broken to me but I suck at balancing so whatever

Also I will not be speaking to dsax until he gets an avatar. He's lazy as hell so I've decided to make some suggestions for him to help expedite the process.

This beautiful Fibonacci spiral staircase:



This genius who definitely didn't kill himself:



And of course this, which needs no explanation:



any of these would be fine but I would prefer the staircase

I like hifi so far.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

I like hifi so far.

Sup bro?

Originally Posted by OngBonga

I like hifi so far.

That wall of text doesn't seem to come to all the wrong conclusions to you?

I mean, he talks like there's any other way to find wolves than by their involvement in the thread. He's all, "but if the wolves direct the kills, then that's bad news!" as if that's the end-game - as if they haven't left that trail in the thread. (I agree that wolves directing kills is bad news, but I don't think it's any different than a lynch vote.)

He's all, "This poisoner role is mega powerful, but don't nobody talk about it," when we could have a conf. V (or near enough) on any given day, and that V's influence, at least by his own reasoning, would be silenced.

His tone seems completely misplaced, too. Like he's addressing a bunch of new players who need advice to think about mechanics... but maybe 1 person in this game has less than a dozen games played.


IDK... it's villagery in a level 1 kind of way. However, on every implication, I find it wolfy. Furthermore, talking mechanics is easy cover to sound involved when you're not actually. It's too early with no meta to jump on it, but I don't like it and HiFi has moved himself on the W side of neutral in my estimation.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

I used to be a solid villager but last few games it seems I've forgotten how to hunt wolves. I blame baudib. As for wolf, I have good games and bad games. I don't tend to shine all villager when I'm wolf. I do when I'm villager.

Anyway I found a wolf.

lynch kami

Votes for hifi after he gets village cred. I swear she was doing that last game... voting for people who she didn't like to see being towned.

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

That wall of text doesn't seem to come to all the wrong conclusions to you?

I mean, he talks like there's any other way to find wolves than by their involvement in the thread. He's all, "but if the wolves direct the kills, then that's bad news!" as if that's the end-game - as if they haven't left that trail in the thread. (I agree that wolves directing kills is bad news, but I don't think it's any different than a lynch vote.)

He's all, "This poisoner role is mega powerful, but don't nobody talk about it," when we could have a conf. V (or near enough) on any given day, and that V's influence, at least by his own reasoning, would be silenced.

His tone seems completely misplaced, too. Like he's addressing a bunch of new players who need advice to think about mechanics... but maybe 1 person in this game has less than a dozen games played.


IDK... it's villagery in a level 1 kind of way. However, on every implication, I find it wolfy. Furthermore, talking mechanics is easy cover to sound involved when you're not actually. It's too early with no meta to jump on it, but I don't like it and HiFi has moved himself on the W side of neutral in my estimation.

My take is "content neutral; effort villagery side of neutral"

Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom

My take is "content neutral; effort villagery side of neutral"

Yeah, pretty much this.

dsaxton is a reg?

Originally Posted by OngBonga

dsaxton is a reg?

He is not.

We are not going to have any Chinese fire drills this game.

In in a game like this one with long days we lose so much information if the wagons flip at the last minute.

It should never be necessary if villagers put in real effort and make reads, which everyone will be expected to do.

Originally Posted by HiFi

...which everyone will be expected to do.

*except bigred

I actually already have a wolf read.

But it's a secret.

Shhhhhhhh.

N0 shipitup v

lynch rilla

Its a virtual no brainer

Finally a rocky IV themed ww

DRAGOOOOO!

Luco can be a villager for the time being.

No wolf would ever be so weird as to vote a player who hasn't posted yet.

Originally Posted by HiFi

Luco can be a villager for the time being.

No wolf would ever be so weird as to vote a player who hasn't posted yet.

You never seen revenge / joke / troll vote openers before?

Sup botches

hifi

*eats bamboo*
*checks role pm*
*sees village rand*
*continues to eat bamboo*

how the fuck is self voting illegal again

bugrud

you know he's not going to do shit

if you need a cfd (as fucking stupid as those are), you can kill me. i won't be of much use this game since classes are kicking my butt

Originally Posted by wufwugy

if you need a cfd (as fucking stupid as those are), you can kill me. i won't be of much use this game since classes are kicking my butt

Nobody make posts like this please. If you say you don't care if you are lynched, it helps the wolves POE the power roles.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

bugrud

you know he's not going to do shit

Originally Posted by wufwugy

if you need a cfd (as fucking stupid as those are), you can kill me. i won't be of much use this game since classes are kicking my butt

places a vote because "he isn't going to do shit" but then admits to likely not being of much use this game himself

any other reads wuf? someone other than Kami

This is wuf's slank cover post this game

Originally Posted by wufwugy

if you need a cfd (as fucking stupid as those are), you can kill me. i won't be of much use this game since classes are kicking my butt

Rilla, thoughts on the underlined?

lynch drew

Tone reading me as lock wolf? Votes for bigred and kami.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

lynch drew

Tone reading me as lock wolf? Votes for bigred and kami.

No hes reading you as wolf based 100% on tone.

At least thats how I read it

Originally Posted by Luco

No hes reading you as wolf based 100% on tone.

At least thats how I read it

I think you're right about the context of 100%, that he's referring to it being tone rather than the strength of his read.

Still, he should vote for me here.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

lynch drew

Tone reading me as lock wolf? Votes for bigred and kami.

You make a solid argument.

rescind
lynch ong

Originally Posted by wufwugy

if you need a cfd (as fucking stupid as those are), you can kill me. i won't be of much use this game since classes are kicking my butt

Bah. I don't see a wolf making this post

I DONT KNOW WHO TO LYNCH TODAY

Kami failing already.

She is at the top of my SHATS list for tomorrow unless she explains her vote.

Wuf looks mildly villagery for saying it, nevertheless.

top tier Tom

seems overly concerned with meta he isn't aware of and kind of disengaged

super thin but it'll work for now

Originally Posted by HiFi

top tier Tom

seems overly concerned with meta he isn't aware of and kind of disengaged

super thin but it'll work for now

How can I be both questioning a regular about meta and disengaged

That's like me saying "HiFi is just talking about mechanics; ldo obv woof"

Even with the admission that it's a thin read I am disappoint

Post #37 is nonsense btw, wolves do weird stuff all the time

Do you hear me

Nonsense

Maybe I just suck but I'd be trying to actively interact with players I don't know to establish baseline reads instead of asking other people what I should think

Originally Posted by HiFi

Maybe I just suck but I'd be trying to actively interact with players I don't know to establish baseline reads instead of asking other people what I should think

I don't see you doing that

Why are you giving me a hard time when the game has just started and I'm curious to see what people will post

I've done the "this is how we should all the play the game thing" in the past on new sites but I've found it just makes people defensive and more likely to fuck up

When in Rome, etc.

Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom

I don't see you doing that

Why are you giving me a hard time when the game has just started and I'm curious to see what people will post

I've done the "this is how we should all the play the game thing" in the past on new sites but I've found it just makes people defensive and more likely to fuck up

When in Rome, etc.

I'm not trying to give you a hard time at all. Like I said it was super thin and lol d1 page 1 reads so it's obviously subject to change.

Im just saying what I think I see.

I don't feel great about kami or ship but I don't think they can both be wolves. They'd be really excited to wolf together and they don't seem to be.