Not So Vanilla Werewolf Diffusion

lol yeah bigred and jack for sure

gator, I think luco's attack on me is sincere, I said so. I also said that I think he's right about daven. Hence my rescind. bigred then jumps on my wagon all lolol because what, I changed my mind about daven based on information?

As for gabe, I think he's a villager. It's obviously too early to say so with any certainty, I can only remember gabe being wolf once before and I thought he was a wolf so I feel like I can read gabe. No problem putting him in my village camp for now.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

jack bigred jyms

If he flips wolf he might have given us jyms.

I see the idea that the wolves don't know the village PM wording being thrown around by several players, so to keep it from gaining steam, Imma nip it in the bud now: they know. They don't know who got what, but they know the wording. I forgot to mention it earlier. My bad

Originally Posted by jackvance

If he flips wolf he might have given us jyms.

So me flipping wolf with clear lots of people and nail jyms.

Ok jack, explain slowly why I am a wolf, because right now it seems you're pushing hard for the lynch of someone based on someone else's flawed logic. You're going to quite some lengths here... you're trying to sell it to the village based on the massive amount of info we get if I flip wolf. But jack, what info does the village get when I flip villager? You haven't even considered that because you're motive is to get a strong villager lynched.

You're way too aggressive here, this makes no sense for jack villager. I can't even ask you to explain slowly why you think I'm a wolf because you don't even know, you're building the case based on potential info we get, rather than ong is a wolf because blah.

Sure I'm jumping to conclusions, of course this is better done when you actually flip wolf but it's all part of trying to figure out whether or not you are one. If you flip villager, will have to revise as always.

You're acting somewhat erratic, it reminds me of the way you started the game when we were both wolves together. And if you really did miss my case, here it is. It's not really an accusation you can defend though, more an observation that points towards a wolf mindset:

Originally Posted by jackvance

My first post is pretty normal thinking after just read the role PM isn't it? The fact that ong thought this was wolfy means he didn't think like this, probably because he never got a villager PM. Especially with the comparison Luco makes.

Ok so you think that I actually think you're a wolf after one post? Haven't people learned by now? Page one votes from me are almost exclusively random votes, and the purpose is to reaction test both you and anyone else who feels like chiming in, or maybe to simply amuse myself. So my soulread #1 was not entirely serious. I do think you're a wolf though jack thanks to your attack on me.

And you've pretty much confirmed it by not dropping your vote after wuf's post.

Luco's case on me just collapsed, but of course you didn't notice that, because your focus is to get a strong villager lynched.

And bigred is a wolf for using my change of heart with daven as ammo against me.

Villagers change their minds when new info comes to light. And I said that I felt luco was right about daven, in the very post where I rescind daven.

Yet bigred still think me calling daven a villager is evidence that I am a wolf. It's an excuse to pile on, that's what it is.

jack and bigred all day long.

lol luco proper dropped a sitck of dynamite on the thread, then fucked off.

I'm on 5 votes.

Guys I'm a n1 seer. If we have a n1 angel, don't out, just protect me. I'll have a wolf tomorrow. If I get nommed, then jack and bigred all day long. Last one could be anyone.

wow, this took off.

Need to catch up, only scanned so far.

But Ong, if you'd said anything but n1 seer I'd be inclined to believe you more.

Also, if he does flip wolf, you heard it here first!

Lynch me tomorrow if you have any doubts. It's a bad fakeclaim for a wolf.

But Ong, if you'd said anything but n1 seer I'd be inclined to believe you more.

n5 seer is the dodgiest claim because it's basically begging the town to not lynch until day 6, which will be final day.

Given wuf's post, I don't get why you outed.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

n5 seer is the dodgiest claim because it's basically begging the town to not lynch until day 6, which will be final day.

No it's not. N5 seer just makes you practically worthless.

Because I'm n1 seer with 5 votes. Jack didn't feel compelled to remove his vote after wuf's post.

I'm useless after tomorrow. I can be seered or lynched, and I won't even argue that much with lynch because it will protect yet to act seers. But At the very least leave me to the wolves, and hopefully there's either a n1 angel who protects me, or the wolves target elsewhere so they don't waste their nom.

It's a gamble, but so is not claiming.

Originally Posted by rong

No it's not. N5 seer just makes you practically worthless.

This is true. A d6 seer claim can be a wolf.

But if I were going to fakeclaim as wolf then I wouldn't pick n1 because I'm lynchbait much earlier than if I say a later night.

rescind ong for now
heaps of time left right?

now, please advise why you used this shitty argument earlier and then ignoring my post calling you out on it. I still think you're more likely to be wolf than night 1 seer fwiw:

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also, nice work of accusing me based on a read without basis in fact, and then ignoring me telling you your read is fos and why
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
Yeah daven is totally a wolf, this is what he does when he's a wolf, reads the whole thread and replies individually to each one so it boosts his post count and looks like he's hunting. Standard davenwolf.

lynch daven



Originally Posted by daven
lol see day 1 of the last game, see the game we were wolves together
you are mistaken, it's what i did my first wolfgame, but not since.
every time i'm villager i get heat on day 1 or day 2, when i've been wolf i've not even been on anyone's radar until there are very few players left.
Looks like more of the same on that pattern here.

day 1 soulread = ong/bid/rong

Originally Posted by bigred

Is ong usually this erratic? Yes? Probably?

yes

Daven, FYI I hate the way you quoted there, I can't see where each quote ends.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Lynch me tomorrow if you have any doubts. It's a bad fakeclaim for a wolf.

dunno, wolves know who the villagers are an they know who the wolves are going to nom. As wolf claiming night 1 seer you can claim to look up a known villager and say they're villager (and pretend that clears you) or claim wolf and then day 2 is all about them and not wolf-hunting, you can claim to look up the player you nom and pretend unlucky, etc.

night 1 seer sounds like a great day 1 claim for a wolf tbh...

now, please advise why you used this shitty argument earlier and then ignoring my post calling you out on it. I still think you're more likely to be wolf than night 1 seer fwiw:

Daven, I see you do shit that I've seen you do as wolf - flood the thread. Yeah you do this as villager too, but you're going to make a point of doing it when wolf, and it just seemed so early for such posting, I just don't get why you need to make 6 posts or whatever to sum up a page of posts.

Then luco drops his post, and I'm left thinking he's at least right about you. So I accept I might be wrong. Wuf's posts puts your sqarely back in the unknown pile, which in turn means I'm once again looking at that flurry of posts suspiciously.

I wasn't aware I ingored you. Do I have to reply to every post to show that I didn't ignore you? What are you, my gf? Get some tits if you wanna be my bitch.

Originally Posted by rong

Daven, FYI I hate the way you quoted there, I can't see where each quote ends.

sorry, it's copy paste from post 71
refer there for easier reading i guess

Originally Posted by daven

dunno, wolves know who the villagers are an they know who the wolves are going to nom. As wolf claiming night 1 seer you can claim to look up a known villager and say they're villager (and pretend that clears you) or claim wolf and then day 2 is all about them and not wolf-hunting, you can claim to look up the player you nom and pretend unlucky, etc.

night 1 seer sounds like a great day 1 claim for a wolf tbh...

I already posted quite a lot of content about how claims are not alignment indicative. And besides, I'll have a wolf tomorrow, I'm looking up bigred or jack and they're both wolves.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

it just seemed so early for such posting, I just don't get why you need to make 6 posts or whatever to sum up a page of posts.

did you read my explanation?

Originally Posted by daven

you suggested my flurry of posts was a waste of space so early. i highlighted comments people had made that i thought were game-relevant, or which amused me.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Lynch me tomorrow if you have any doubts. It's a bad fakeclaim for a wolf.

please explain why it's a bad fakeclaim for a wolf so that those of us more prone to doubt can understand

Yes. It's viable. But it's also suspicious that you flooded the thread like you did, because that's your wolf style.

In fact note that bigred was the first to jump on you daven, then I put my vote down, and jack piles on agreeing with me.

And you're still focussing on me? I just claimed n1 seer, worry about me tomorrow if I don't get nommed.

ftr, pretty happy daven is a villager based on bigred and jack piling onto him.

Originally Posted by daven

please explain why it's a bad fakeclaim for a wolf so that those of us more prone to doubt can understand

Because I can only expect to dodge lynch for one day. If you guys still aren't happy with me tomorrow, I'm fucked and have no defence. Thus, if I'm a wolf I'm probably saying later nights because I'm begging to not be lynched for longer. The only reason I'd say n1 as wolf is so I can use this argument.

Worry about me tomorrow. Your focus now should be on who you're going to lynch instead. If town still lynches me, well town is stupid because you can just as easily lynch me tomorrow except have my n1 seer report, which will be confirmed when I die and flip n1 seer.

If you're n1 seer and look up a villager, why would the wolves ever nom you n2? There'd be another confirmed villager who may be a seer still to act vs a confirmed villager with no future power. If anything it potentially keeps you alive forever.

For fuck's sake.

What part of "worry about me tomorrow" is hard to understand?

I am a stupid lynch today, regardless of my role. I'm not defending any more. If you lynch me today, then I hope the wolves win. Seriously.

Who are you going to lynch instead? We have under 48 hours.

I suggest bigred or jack.

My tone is probably counterproductive, I shouldn't make it easier for you to lynch me.

Let me explain clearly -

If the majority of people want to lynch me, then do it tomorrow. The wolves won't nom me because I'll no longer be a threat, so just wait for me to post my look up and then speed lynch me.

Also, that's why a n1 fakeclaim is bad.

I might get nommed tonight though. All the more reason to leave me until tomorrow. If I survive the night, I won't get nommed so you'll have to lynch me, especially if I have a villager report.

rescind ong

I don't think wuf's post disproved the argument at all btw (and one might wonder why wuf would step in to vouch for a villager in the first place), and this outing as n1 seer is a bit convenient given the situation and a game made to facilitate fake outs. Ong does have the kind of enthusiasm over him that's only ever consistent with him being a wolf or an important villager so I've rescinded to mull it over some more. I have one question for you though ong:

Originally Posted by OngBonga

but of course you didn't notice that, because your focus is to get a strong villager lynched.

Do you actually believe stuff like this, because these are some specifics that make me very suspicious. It's an argument that has been used in the past but if I think back to all the past games, then I have to conclude that no wolves actually do this. What wolf ever stepped up to try and get a very vocal and strong villager lynched?

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Worry about me tomorrow. Your focus now should be on who you're going to lynch instead. If town still lynches me, well town is stupid because you can just as easily lynch me tomorrow except have my n1 seer report, which will be confirmed when I die and flip n1 seer.

this is interesting.
If we don't lynch ong today then i think we have to lynch him tomorrow irrespective of anything else.

Yes jack, I do believe that you failed to realise that luco's case on me collapsed with wuf's post because you're a wolf who isn't reassessing reads and is instead focussed on obtaining the desired lynch.

You were too aggressive for me to think you're a villager jack. You're not that confident in d1 bullshit that you attack me that strong.

Originally Posted by daven

this is interesting.
If we don't lynch ong today then i think we have to lynch him tomorrow irrespective of anything else.

What do you mean "if we don't lynch ong today"? How can you, a good poker player, not recognise that lynching me today is stupid?

You're not lynching me today. If you do, you gain nothing. Well maybe you get a wolf, but you get that wolf anyway tomorrow. However, consider that I am indeed n1 seer. Well lynching me today means you get fuck all from me but my d1 soulread and rants, wheras leaving me means I either get nommed, saving the town a forced mislynch, or I survive and nail a wolf or clear a villager. And yes I'd need to die so you can be sure my look up is legit. That's fine. I don't care about dying tomorrow because my job will be done.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

What do you mean "if we don't lynch ong today"? How can you, a good poker player, not recognise that lynching me today is stupid?
.

i can't control who is lynched today. I rescinded my vote as soon as you claimed. I won't be bolding you today. Does that make me stupid? who knows.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

you, a good poker player,
.

who on earth believes that? sounds pretty wolf to me.

If he's a wolf then he comes back tomo and says he seered jv and jv is a wolf. Then what?

i love a lynch ong tomorrow. he gets to look up one of his suspects, tells us tomorrow , and then we kill him to see if we can trust him and don't risk any of our n2+ actions.

Originally Posted by Keith

i love a lynch ong tomorrow. he gets to look up one of his suspects, tells us tomorrow , and then we kill him to see if we can trust him and don't risk any of our n2+ actions.

this

Originally Posted by rong

If he's a wolf then he comes back tomo and says he seered jv and jv is a wolf. Then what?

Lynch me first, I don't care, I'll die knowing I took a wolf down. Jack flipping wolf wouldn't clear me anyway so I'd probably still need to go, so yeah just lynch me tomorrow.

You'll need to lynch me first anyway if I'm not trusted, because if I'm a fucked wolf, there's the risk I try to take a strong villager down in jack. So tomorrow, I post my lookup and then I get lynched. Easy.

i want to hear more from jyms and luco
i don't think lynching ong today makes sense
so, who do you guys think we should lynch?

I really don't like a luco lynch. His attack on me did not strike me as remotely oppotunistic. rather it seemed like he believed in his read. He's dripping in town cred afaic.

But yes I'd like to hear more from luco too.

jyms is an acceptable lynch for me, I can see him being teamed with jack and bigred so it suits me.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

So I got a special role...

See I said I had a special role, this crumb doesn't get any more blatant.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

See I said I had a special role, this crumb doesn't get any more blatant.

We can't lynch you today, but that is the most ridiculous statement ever given the below statement in the intro.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

Other rules: all villagers have either a seer or angel power on one specified night.

As for today I am sticking with Bigred. He will be more of a liability later in the game than Jyms would as villagers so if we are wrong on either one I am more willing to be wrong on Bigred.

I'm ok with letting ong live because it seems like the sensible thing to do. However I can already tell you what is going to happen, whether ong is a villager or wolf. He'll say he looked me up and I'm villager. Then are we going to lynch him just for the heck of it anyway? Spend a whole day just talking for no reason because we kill ong guaranteed?

Atm thinking wolf team is gator+ong+jyms. All of this is based on a wolf ong though.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

We can't lynch you today, but that is the most ridiculous statement ever given the below statement in the intro.

Have to agree. It's almost like he isn't thinking like a villager would.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

We can't lynch you today, but that is the most ridiculous statement ever given the below statement in the intro.

I'm guessing you're out of salt.

Originally Posted by jackvance

Have to agree. It's almost like he isn't thinking like a villager would.

Jesus, you too?

Originally Posted by GatorJH

As for today I am sticking with Bigred. He will be more of a liability later in the game than Jyms would as villagers so if we are wrong on either one I am more willing to be wrong on Bigred.

Really? Have you been paying attention the last few games?

You still lynching me bigwolf?

pretty sure bigred's final day posts as villager swayed aubrey to kill drew over bigred to win the game for the village a couple of days back
pretty sure bigred shot straight last game

ok, i'm about twenty minutes from the afk i promised y'all in the signup thread. I knew that i would have a funeral to go to during the game, timing wasn't certain cos dying ain't the same as dead. I might get to a computer between now and day end, but unlikely. I should be back online for game participation from a couple of days from now, and properly a day later. If it's relevant then I will make sure i get any necessary pm to wuf etc. But i'll be back ingame properly if that's after night one. But, then again, maybe it's night one i have to send a pm? Good luck figuring out if i'm a good nom wolves.

lynch jyms, gut, sorry i have nothing more than that to go on. He needs to post something beyond parroting gabe. My rong read was based on info that was incorrect re night actions etc. doesn't clear him. BID read was pretty out there and based on ong = wolf. If BID doesn't turn up then he is an obvious contender but not a great day 1 lynch i think - too easy for wolves if he's villager. Later though for sure, after ong is confirmed wolf/seer.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

You still lynching me bigwolf?

Sigh, you're such a wolf but guess not

rescind ong

Hmmmmmmm looks like BID hasn't posted yet. Nothing would bring me so much joy as modkilling dat ass...

^^ If I do it will probably involve giving his role to somebody else who wants to play FYI

Anybody not playing now but paying attention and want to take BID's role?

Originally Posted by bigred

Sigh, you're such a wolf but guess not

rescind ong

It's ok, you can pretend to be shocked I'm a villager after I get lynched tomorrow.

Originally Posted by jackvance

I'm ok with letting ong live because it seems like the sensible thing to do. However I can already tell you what is going to happen, whether ong is a villager or wolf. He'll say he looked me up and I'm villager. Then are we going to lynch him just for the heck of it anyway? Spend a whole day just talking for no reason because we kill ong guaranteed?

Atm thinking wolf team is gator+ong+jyms. All of this is based on a wolf ong though.

Can anyone see why jack is a wolf yet?

He thinks I'm a wolf. But he thinks I'm gonna clear him tomorrow. But if I'm a wolf, why would I clear him when I'm getting lynched first? If he's a villager, do you not suppose he'd be somewhat worried that I'm a wolf who will try to take him down with me? That doesn't seem to be a concern for him.

The implication from this post is that jack seems to think I'm both honest about my claim, and that I'm a wolf.

What's actually gonna happen tomorrow is I'm gonna give a guilty report on jack and then the village are gonna have to decide which one of us to lynch first.

jkds

ong
rong
jv
gator
jyms
bid
bigred
luco
hoop
gabe
daven
keith


i can only vote for rong, jyms, bigred, keith, daven.

fwiw last time daven did an extended AFK he was a wolf (WW 2013 game). he had real reasons, but maybe subconciously he wouldnt do this as a villager? like if he was a wolf, he uses the convenient excuse of not checking the internet, but when hes hunting, he always takes the time to check the thread.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Can anyone see why jack is a wolf yet?

He thinks I'm a wolf. But he thinks I'm gonna clear him tomorrow. But if I'm a wolf, why would I clear him when I'm getting lynched first? If he's a villager, do you not suppose he'd be somewhat worried that I'm a wolf who will try to take him down with me? That doesn't seem to be a concern for him.

The implication from this post is that jack seems to think I'm both honest about my claim, and that I'm a wolf.

What's actually gonna happen tomorrow is I'm gonna give a guilty report on jack and then the village are gonna have to decide which one of us to lynch first.

I could see it if both of you were wolves, but not necessarily if he is one. The more he prods you the more likely you are to look him up instead of someone else. Would JV the wolf really do that?

thats gotta make some of you want to kill daven now. hes my #2 after rong

Why rong?

Originally Posted by GatorJH

I could see it if both of you were wolves, but not necessarily if he is one. The more he prods you the more likely you are to look him up instead of someone else. Would JV the wolf really do that?

We could both be wolves, I'm not going to argue that point.

And sure jack would keep prodding me, because he already knows he's getting looked up. If he's a wolf, he's either gonna have to nom me, or be exposed tomorrow. If it's the latter, well it will help his team if I get lynched first, it means the next day's lynch is already decided. SO sure he's gonna continue with his ong=wolf line, because why wouldn't he?

Notice that before jack was on me, he was with me on daven. His change of tune was in reaction to luco's post, and despite wuf's clarification, and despite my claim, jack hasn't let up. There was no going back to daven, no reassess reads, it was continue to wagon ong on what is now questionable logic. This isn't the line of a villager. Notice that when luco posted, I changed my read on daven from wolf to villager. That's what villagers do... they take into account what's going on and change their reads accordingly. This is what jack hasn't done. This is why jack is a wolf.

I'm as sure as I can be on d1.

Originally Posted by gabe

thats gotta make some of you want to kill daven now. hes my #2 after rong

I don't want to kill daven. Bigred and jack were both on him with me, and I'm convinced about jack for reasons stated, and probably bigred for his particularly weak reasoning for jumping on my wagon.

rescind ong

Slight change of tac here ong.

"What's actually gonna happen tomorrow is I'm gonna give a guilty report on jack and then the village are gonna have to decide which one of us to lynch first."

we can't kill ong. we aren't lynching jack. bigred and jyms are giving the same vibe usually give (they aren't necessarily more wolfy than average).

meanwhile daven is going afk. last time he did a big afk he was a wolf. I don't buy it when people who use the Internet give an excuse for not using the Internet for days

also I still am trying to bink it on the rong soulread

lets hang rong or daven