No theme werewolf gameplay thread

[wufwugy]

I do not view quick edits as modkillable offenses (never have tbh). But mods apparently can see the posts pre-edit, so they need to be revealed to everybody else. The modkill edits are if you go back to something and sneakily change something. But if you forget to bold tags right or something, I just don't care if you fix it

I modkill people for being fucknuts or trying to skirt the line of a rule, not accidentally clicking the wrong button

[BankItDrew]

I'm pretty confused by the game tbh. I don't know what the best strat for the villagers or the wolves is. I usually consider myself an intelligent person, especially when it comes to games, but FML when it comes to WW variants.

Remember when I was lynched Day 1 in the world war game? I didn't understand that shit either. I thought I was a regular villager and then BAM snap lynched.

[wufwugy]

Here's how to get modkilled by me:

1. Do something that gives you or your team an unfair advantage
2. Test my good graces
3. Have too low of activity

Other than that, I'm a utilitarian, live and let live, no harm no foul kind of guy

[MadMojoMonkey]

mods apparently can see the posts pre-edit, so they need to be revealed to everybody else.

I don't know how to do this. Are you certain that this is possible?

I can delete posts, view deleted posts, or un-delete a post... but I can't find a way to see a post as it was prior to an edit.

[wufwugy]

I dunno. Edits are tricky. I don't think I've seen anybody get modkilled from them (even when Rilla mods, who hates edits more than he hates our moms). People just tend to get admonished for editing and told to not do it again, and so far nobody has tested the patience of the mod

[baudib]

I tried to click and go back but didn't see anything, and I didn't want to AIDS up the thread more than I have.

I'll let Keith do it, he's a lot smarter with these things.

I was going to summarize what he said but I don't want to taint it with my interpretation so I'll let him fix it or repost.

[Luco]

I'm pretty confused by the game tbh. I don't know what the best strat for the villagers or the wolves is. I usually consider myself an intelligent person, especially when it comes to games, but FML when it comes to WW variants.

Remember when I was lynched Day 1 in the world war game? I didn't understand that shit either. I thought I was a regular villager and then BAM snap lynched.

I was a wolf that game and spearheaded your lynch. I spun your words and said you had to be a wolf for saying you were vanilla, good times

[Luco]

Why lynch daven? He said he'd be afk for 50 hours before the game even started. He'd be unable to even use his saves if he flipped vil.

so lynching a non poster would mean effectively giving up the n1 angel. But non posters are also mod fodder...

So I guess ideally we should lynch someone today who is active, wolfy, and not going to screw up the angel save if they flip villager. Maybe keith.

[Hoopy]

Here's how to get modkilled by me:

3. Have too low of activity

Other than that, I'm a utilitarian, live and let live, no harm no foul kind of guy

So if rilla, keybored and daven don't post by the end of day 1 do they get modkilled? That's gonna influence our lynch today.

[Hoopy]

@mmm: No offense to keybored, but I'm about to say something offensive to keybored, he's a bad choice to stick in the dead thread day1. If hes a villager, theres no guarantee he wont flip out or afk and not give us our saves. Also, hes newer and less likely to accurately predict wolf kills.

I dont like how others havent thought about this, and wanted to hop on this wagon.

That's a good point, so lynching any awol player today is probably bad.

dhuber lynch today?

[dhubermex]

I'm slightly suspicious of Luco because everything his posts are SO village-like, but can't bring myself to nominate him because of how valuable he is for the town (he wouldn't get a wagon anyway for that reason).

I'm going to nominate one of the inactives, so...

lynch Keybored

[OngBonga]

The bulk of what keith said remains in the quote bubble. Certainly what I remember reading is still there.

keith is suggesting that control of the angels is so important that it's worth the wolf team sacrificing not one but two wolves. This is absurd. I want to lynch wolves, blocking their kills is merely a bonus. Keith is not that stupid that he really thinks what he's saying. He's talking out of his arse. Basically he's either dumb or playing dumb.

lynch keith

[OngBonga]

doober killing an inactive isn't smart today, JKDS explained why.

[Keybored]

Howdy y'all...Just now showing up. Sorry, long story. Sheesh, 88 posts already! Hope y'all haven't bandied an inactive wagon on me yet...

[gabe]

lynch dhuber

he seems too forceful with his words, like hes trying to get us to do stuff

[baudib]

I'm going to avoid quoting anyone's posts for a while.

Keybored: Glad you're back. I just got done a game where people averaged ~100 posts per game day.

Dhuber: Care to address your vanilla comment? There are no specials this game so there's no need to protect your identity ... unless you're a wolf.

[Keybored]

Ok…Caught up now. So, rather than ramble a shitload of separate posts/quotes, here’s how I see things so far:

1)Nobody knows WTF is going on yet, so we’re all on shaky ground.
2)Most of the content so far is figuring out the play.
3)Baud & Ong are driving the train (for better or worse) and neither can add well.
4)Wuf’s shooting from the hip, but that’s cool in any new experiment.
5)MMM has the best game analysis yet.
6)Doobs is playing straight newb; but the village love-fest this early is not his norm.
7)Baud—“Again!” Dude just can’t help himself. And that’s all I got to say about that.
8)And if Wuf’s gonna lynch inactives for us, that’s cool. But “inactives” are diff from ppl posting just to stay off the radar. I always like an inactive lynch early on when there's not much else to go on.

[baudib]

Strongest village reads so far are MMM/Hoopy.

Keybored looks good but it's like two posts.

[OngBonga]

Why is hoopy a strong townread? I couldn't remember anything he posted, so I had a look and it's all waffle. He's null as fuck.

[baudib]

Hoopy feels like normal Hoopy, I actually haven't seen him wolf before.

The thread feels fairly null tbh.

No one seems particularly wolfy or villagery. Maybe because it's earlyish and there's not much going on, and the conversation is centered around the new rules and my fuckup.

It might also point to a wolf or two in Daven/Rilla.

[baudib]

Also the rule change... I could see how it could be imba toward the wolves...getting back 2 confirmed villagers would definitely be a gamebreaker so probably good for the game to make it only one.

But still, effff uuu wuf.

<3

[MadMojoMonkey]

Strongest village reads so far are MMM/Hoopy.

Keybored looks good but it's like two posts.

Can you read JKDS's post re keybored as a wolf post - like, ever?

im going to volunteer to be on the first angel council

How am I the only one to respond to this?

[gabe]

because its not a wolfy thing for me to say

[baudib]

JKDS post: It's not wolfy. But as I said before, just talking about game mechanics makes it easy for wolves to post. I mean, I think trying to soul read the intentions of people regarding this dead thread thing is a little silly. We want to lynch wolves. Wolves want to lynch villagers, and I doubt they're gonna roll over to gain some EV on the night kill.

Gabe post: IDK, Gabe can be cryptic at times. Maybe he's planning on being unavailable for most of the game. Maybe he's intrigued by the possibilities of this new wrinkle. Maybe he said it to draw reaction and to read people off that. Who knows? He agrees with me about Dhuber being a bit awkward, so that has me feeling ok about him, but it's Gabe.

[wufwugy]

So if rilla, keybored and daven don't post by the end of day 1 do they get modkilled? That's gonna influence our lynch today.

Nobody's getting modgat for no activity today. It's the weekend and they're regs.

[wufwugy]

Actually you know what, I'm extending Day 1 to Tuesday end instead of Monday. I figure Daven would be back by Monday, and any weekend warriors are back by then, but really a Friday start to a game is dumb since a lot of people won't even log on the forum until Monday

[baudib]

nice. longer days +EV for village.

[Keybored]

Agree to Wuf's update...Also, Mon here in US Fed holiday. Some folks prob out fooking off the long wknd.

[wufwugy]

Plus it's the football holiday. America has no free time on Sunday and Monday during season

[Keith]

trying to recreate the post baudib edited

Yay I'm a legit bandwagon.

Basically JKDS, it means that the dead thread gets to be the angel and they get to vote on who gets protected each night -- 4 players.

I think this is gonna be a nightmare for Wuf but should be interesting for the deaders

^^ that'd be pretty sick. like wolves could have a whole leveling strategy, it'd be kind of crazy.

sick game, i think. i almost wanna die now

Keith, I know where you're coming from because this went through my mind too, but obviously it's always going to be better to lynch a wolf than not.

I think the thing to take away is that D1, the cost of a mislynch is less than normal. If we mislynch, we have a shot at blocking the wolves' kill. If we get a wolf, then obviously the wolf alone in the dead thread would never stop the wolves' kill.

Interesting.

I've thought deeply about this for at least a minute and optimal play by far is a lynch baudib.

It's like after I spew hard and get lynched D1, I can still help the village. When you're dead your view of the game changes I think, and new revelations come clearer when you're not fighting to stay alive.

So if I am reading this correctly, it's not a total disaster if we lose a couple of villagers the first few days. Obviously it's not +EV to lynch a villager but let's say we mislynch D1, wolves get NK that has ~50% of being blocked, and realistically much higher than that if we can make reasonable reads.

let's say
D1 -- mislynch
N1 -- 50% chance of NK
D2 -- we have 1 or 2 villagers dead
N2 -- Roles are known (presumably?), the dead village voting bloc has enormous control.

I assume the wolf is not going to give up any information when he is outnumbered 2-1. How are ties settled in the dead thread?

why would a villager baudib want to know how ties are settled? kinda important if baudib is a wolf and manages to die first.

NO WAIT I did that wrong. bad math.

we only have a 4/12 shot of saving a villager barring good read. But still it's interesting.

I was doing a bit of math and it comes out to slightly -EV on a random lynch/random save.

HOWEVER

The interesting part comes in where the wolves have to play cat and mouse with the dead thread.

It FORCES the wolves into a suboptimal nightkill because they will have to try to avoid the ghost angel!

So I think this format actually rewards good play and just play super aggro as a village and we'll have more of the better players around late in the game.

LOL GG WOLVES

ll at oncentrating on villagers dominating the dead thread. how about when the wolves can dominate the earlky dead thread and then pick off those better players without opposition

Pretty sure that a wolf dying today and taking control of the dead thread is +ev for the village. All it would mean is they have a clean kill tonight. But seeing as they have a 66% chance of a kill even if a villager dies today, then it's clearly in our interests to lynch a wolf today if possible.

same thing from ongie.I can't help thinking that baud and ong are both wolves trying to get lynched and dominate the dead thread and control the angel protects. look at their reactions, how can wolves controlling the angel be +ev for the village. ong and baud have to die starting tomorrow where they can't control the dead thread. they usually die early and it looks like they are going out of their way to ensure it happens at the start.

also interesting that baudib didn't get modkilled for it. if he's a wolf then it rewards the wolves and achieves the outcome that they were trying for i.e to control the early dead thread and angel protects and puts wuf in a shitty position.

[Keith]

mods can't see previous versions of posts , only posts that have been soft deleted i.e not visible to regular users but still held on the server. only mods can hard delete i.e remove posts from the server but mod guidelines are to soft delete posts in case there is an appeal and posts can then be restored.

[baudib]

My comment of "LOL I give you a village lean for that still stands."

I want to note, however, looking at it again, this reminds me of two games ago. I posted early on about an optimal vig strategy of targeting quieter people. A couple people agreed, some disagreed. Keith had the most to say, tinfoiling that I said it because Ong and I were wolves and obviously wouldn't be under any threat. And of course Keith put on an MVP wolf performance while Ong and I were both villagers.

somewhat of a similar scenario here.

[wufwugy]

Anyways here's the rule: don't edit your posts. They're not necessarily grounds for modkilling, but they might be. Don't tempt fate

I'm sure Rilla will breathe easy after he sees this

[baudib]

I think it'd be fun to get a bandwagon going on Rilla when he's not here. But no he's not getting lynched. But it'd sort of be karmic justice as some people were butthurt off his Ciggie performance last game. As Gabe once said, D1 should be about revenge votes anyway.

I agree he's not getting lynched today though, nor should he be.

[wufwugy]

I think the main reason I liked Ciggie's schtick was that I felt I could tell it was Rilla from the beginning

[Keybored]

I think it'd be fun to get a bandwagon going on Rilla when he's not here. But no he's not getting lynched. But it'd sort of be karmic justice as some people were butthurt off his Ciggie performance last game. As Gabe once said, D1 should be about revenge votes anyway.

I agree he's not getting lynched today though, nor should he be.

I was one of those butthurt by CigBut.
And I wasn't aware of that Gabe quote.
LYNCH BAUDIB

[baudib]

LOL good to see you back in form Keybored.

[baudib]

Daven was my revenge vote btw, from back when I was cursing him in the wolfchat in my first game.

[Keith]

I think it'd be fun to get a bandwagon going on Rilla when he's not here. But no he's not getting lynched. But it'd sort of be karmic justice as some people were butthurt off his Ciggie performance last game. As Gabe once said, D1 should be about revenge votes anyway.

I agree he's not getting lynched today though, nor should he be.

so if he shouldn't and wont be killed why even post it if not to induce others to start a wagon on rilla.lol, i've stopped you getting lynched to give your comrades an easy kill vs the better players , you're compromiised so you just blatently try and get a wagon rolling on a better player instead.

[baudib]

Keith we missed your ego-driven paranoia last game. <3 Really Keith, if you think someone is a wolf you need to vote them hard and push for it, not "save them." If you can explain how it would be better to not lynch a wolf I'd be glad to hear it.

I'm not trying to get anything going, Keith. I am pretty clearly against a Rilla lynch today and probably any day unless he starts howling. Just musing about the inactives, and really Keybored posting here made me think of Ciggie Butt again.

Of the two inactives, I'd far prefer to get Daven killed off because A. he's harder to read IMO, he plays it low-key as a villager and B. my revenge motive, as noted.

But I notice you don't mention anything about me getting a Daven wagon going. This is once again just like when Scourrge subbed in for a soon-to-be modkilled Lolzz, whose bandwagon was getting a lot of interest.

I realize you do this sort of tinfoiling as a villager but it reeks so much of agenda here.

I'll give you a pass for now because you really could be a villager here, and I still want to hear more from Dhuber.

[baudib]

Man, I mean Keith has really thought this thing out a lot and it's concerning me.

I hadn't considered all the possible wolf motivations here. I'm gonna say again that I think we need to stop talking about the dead thread thing so much because talking about the best possible lines for wolves to take. It should be obvious who the wolves would be targeting and if a villager ends up lynched D1, you will know what to do.

I wish Gator were here and a villager in this game because he seems to be better at reading Keith than most. I guess it's fair to say Keith is clearly in his crazy villager/crafty wolf range.

[OngBonga]

baudib

Really Keith, if you think someone is a wolf you need to vote them hard and push for it

I realize you do this sort of tinfoiling as a villager but it reeks so much of agenda here.

I'll give you a pass for now because you really could be a villager here, and I still want to hear more from Dhuber.

This is fence sitting at its finest. You're contradicting yourself while refusing to take a position on keith. And you finish off by deflecting onto someone else.

Wolfy as fuck.

lynch baudib

Still not overly happy with keith's attack but that can wait.

[baudib]

I hadn't considered all the possible wolf motivations here. I'm gonna say again that I think we need to stop talking about the dead thread thing so much because talking about the best possible lines for wolves to take. It should be obvious who the wolves would be targeting and if a villager ends up lynched D1, you will know what to do.

^^ should be "... because talking about the best possible lines for wolves to take is obviously bad."

In b4 Ong says I'm deliberately fking up posts to look villagery.

[baudib]

LOL

I love how you guys insist on mislynching me every game when I keep proving that this is villagery behavior from me.

Ong, Keith, anyone...are you really not alarmed at all by Dhuber's vanilla claim? I mean WTF is that.

I'm ok with me/Huber wagons. Keep in mind how tight the villager-wolf ratio is here.

[Keybored]

It's too much brain power for me to "what if" this wacked out game too far down the road. So I'd like to get straight on the immediate future. The way I understand d1/n1 right now is:
1) We lynch someone d1 (which now ends Tues)
2) He becomes sole occupant of Dead Thread
3) He then pushes up 4 Angel Saves
4) Wolves push up their victim
5) If wolf victim was not a lucky bastard, done deal, 2 dead
6) Nobody knows who the 4 protected ones were
7) If wolf victim was protected, lucky him, only 1 dead
8) We start again

I getting this right?

[OngBonga]

Why should I be alarmed by dhuber's vanilla claim? It annoys me when people do that in a game with specials, but here I don't care. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying doober is dripping in town cred, but neither am I picking up any wolfy vibes from him. Why doober and not, idk, hoopy? Oh yeah that's right you've got a strong town read on him already.

[baudib]

Ong, you've been on me 3 straight games, and in the past two, I was really confident you were doing it as a villager. I get the same feeling here. It's like you're trying too hard to make up reasons for voting me. We're past the stage of "lulz lynch Baudib D1."

Also Ong, I'm not deflecting, I'm answering an attack on me while reinforcing that I want more heat put on the guy I am actually voting for. I could vote for Keith but really, if given the choice I'd probably want him around longer than Huber, even if he is up my ass and is a better wolf than anyone else in this game, with the possible exception of Gabe. (I don't know enough about JKDS/MMM's wolf ability, but they're probably villagers).

[baudib]

^^^ fk again, I don't get the same feeling here.

[baudib]

Why should I be alarmed by dhuber's vanilla claim? It annoys me when people do that in a game with specials, but here I don't care. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying doober is dripping in town cred, but neither am I picking up any wolfy vibes from him. Why doober and not, idk, hoopy? Oh yeah that's right you've got a strong town read on him already.

Who says I have a strong town read on him? I give him a lean while I feel like most other people are solidly neutral right now. You act like it's bad to have a read on someone.

[OngBonga]

Who says I have a strong town read on him? I give him a lean while I feel like most other people are solidly neutral right now. You act like it's bad to have a read on someone.

You gave the impression it was strong. Ok strongest so far doesn't equal strong.

I just find it odd that you want to hear more from doober but not others. Why are you specifically pointing at him? I want to hear more from everybody. Pointing specifically at doober feels like you're trying hard to shift the focus away from you and onto someone easy to push. You speak of agenda, that's what I'm seeing here.

I realise I've misread you badly in the last two games, that doesn't mean you can't be a wolf this time though. And I'm not gonna let you brush me off by pointing out how much I suck at reading you either.

[baudib]

baudib <~ so villa it hurts

MMM <~~ villagery, good analysis so far

JKDS <~~ seems like a villager, but quieter than last game

Hoopy <~~~ posting natural, seems like standard Hoopy to me

Gabe
BID
Keybored
Luco
Rilla/Daven = absent

These guys are solidly neutralish/null. Of this group I'd say Luco seems more reserved than usual, nothing else really of note. I'd be suspect of anyone actually thinking they can interpret what Gabe's "I'll be the Angel Gabe" thing.

Keith
Ong

Huber

I think you get 1-2 wolves here a good % of the time.

[baudib]

^^ don't take order too seriously right now, it's what I got when half the players are null/absent.

[baudib]

You gave the impression it was strong. Ok strongest so far doesn't equal strong.

I just find it odd that you want to hear more from doober but not others. Why are you specifically pointing at him? I want to hear more from everybody. Pointing specifically at doober feels like you're trying hard to shift the focus away from you and onto someone easy to push. You speak of agenda, that's what I'm seeing here.

I realise I've misread you badly in the last two games, that doesn't mean you can't be a wolf this time though. And I'm not gonna let you brush me off by pointing out how much I suck at reading you either.

Because I voted Huber and he didn't respond, even after Gabe voted him too (I think he had two votes on him at the time, not sure).

[wufwugy]

ges it r time 4 vc

ong - baud
key - baud
gabe - dhubs
ong - keith
dhubs - key
baud - dhubs

mojo, jkds, bid, keith, hoops, rilla, luco, daven - nobody

baud - 2
dhubs - 2(lead)
keith - 1
key - 1

[wufwugy]

ges it r time 4 vc

ong - baud
key - baud
gabe - dhubs
dhubs - key
baud - dhubs

mojo, jkds, bid, keith, hoops, rilla, luco, daven - nobody

baud - 2
dhubs - 2(lead)
key - 1

fixed

I caught my mistake this time, but may not in the future, so everybody make sure their vote is on who they want, because I don't always sweep the entire voting history for each game day. Instead I just reference my most recent vc

[baudib]

any thoughts on wagonomics?

Do we want votes on 2 wagons or 3-4? It might be better to start out spread out and consolidate closer to deadline...I mean I guess that's how it evolves naturally, but we have to be careful of not letting one wagon become a runaway in this setup.

thoughts? agree/disagree?

[Keybored]

rescind baudib

@mmm: No offense to keybored, but I'm about to say something offensive to keybored, he's a bad choice to stick in the dead thread day1. If hes a villager, theres no guarantee he wont flip out or afk and not give us our saves. Also, hes newer and less likely to accurately predict wolf kills.

I dont like how others havent thought about this, and wanted to hop on this wagon.

Yah, I was afk but I'm engaged now.
Offended, yep. But I understand your position. I'll try not to flip out.
And I admit my noobishism. So my wolf prediction powers are indeed emerging strengths.
Thanks for not wanting to lynch me tho! If it matters, you and MMM top my village list for now.

[dhubermex]

Dhuber: Care to address your vanilla comment? There are no specials this game so there's no need to protect your identity ... unless you're a wolf.

Sure. My post was just a reference to the fact that this is the first WW match where I am neither or Wolf or a Special... with no particular reference to the stipulations of this particular match where there are only WWs and VVs.

As Ong pointed out, lynching inactive is not +EV for village so I am going to rescind that vote.

Rescind Keybored

Extending Day 1 to Tuesday is good news for Village imo (as baudib alluded to). I believe he is Village lean. There could be a wagon for me coming up, but I am definitely Villager, so am trying to concéntrate on finding someone who I have at least some read on who is a Wolf. I do not really have a read on that yet.

[baudib]

Huber, do you know the term WIFOM? it means Wine In Front Of Me -- a "The Princess Bride" reference, where Vizzini levels himself with circular reasoning. That's the problem I have.

See, I get you are saying you have never been a regular villager before. But you said that last game, "Once again I'm vanilla." the problem is that was a lie both ways; you were not vanilla, nor had you ever been. Of course you were doing it in a pro-village way, and because it was anon you could hide your identity.

But here we only have two roles: villager and wolves. So are you telling the truth here? Or is it a deception of sorts like before? It's like you are facing internal resistance to saying, "I'm a villager."

I find your post fascinating because there are 3-4 minor little tells, but they are mixed. If you're a villager I urge you to remain engaged and active in the thread in order to clear yourself and not be mislynch bait.

[Luco]

I understand your point there baud, and the correct response to a wifom is not to draw a conclusion one way or the other, but rather build a body of evidence. Right now im not getting much of a wolfy vibe from huber but most everyone feels a bit more guarded this game tbh

[daven]

a few of us stayed away climbing for a day longer than planned. I'll have a quick readthrough now but it's late and i'm tired. Coherence will arrive tomorrow am (nz time).

[daven]

fuck, i read 15 posts and i just want to nail up baudib, and then avoid the dead thread at all costs

[a500lbgorilla]

a500lbgorilla has arrived.

[daven]

meh, on it tomorrow when i'm awake enough to actually read posts and try to figure out what the ghost-angel thing will mean for the village

[Hoopy]

Nobody's getting modgat for no activity today. It's the weekend and they're regs.

Alright, thanks for clarifying wufmod.

[Hoopy]

any thoughts on wagonomics?

Do we want votes on 2 wagons or 3-4? It might be better to start out spread out and consolidate closer to deadline...I mean I guess that's how it evolves naturally, but we have to be careful of not letting one wagon become a runaway in this setup.

thoughts? agree/disagree?

I've never really liked forcing everyone onto 2 wagons but I think it's a viable strat. Today though I think we should just let the day play out normally.

[Hoopy]

Hmmm baudib thinks I'm a villager, slightly surprised by that so early in the game.

Regardless I'm not lynching him today, he's giving out so much info that if he's wolfing it'll become apparent soon enough. And if he's a villager it's good to have someone so active.

[Hoopy]

Nothing personal drew.

lynch BankitDrew

Dangerous to let him reach the endgame imo.

[Keith]

BID controlling the angel saves scares me , he'll probably protect himself 4 times

[OngBonga]

keith I said you're dumb or playing dumb. If you're a villager that means you're dumb. Why aren't you offended by me saying that?

[Keith]

why would i want to get angry and revenge vote a wolf when its obvious that your ploy is to get control of the dead thread and pick off the good players. i think keybored is the 3rd as he opened up with a lynch baudib after i put my warning about wolvees could control the angel.The only dumb people are those that think that the wolves controlling the dead thread and therefore the first couple of protections is +EV for the village. not killing you today is not the same as saving your lynches for when it won't hurt the village

[OngBonga]

I can't believe you actually think what you're saying is true.

By your logic it is +ev for us to kill a villager today. By your logic, blocking kills is more important than killing wolves. This makes no sense at all.

[OngBonga]

keith might I remind you that the ratio is already thin, we're at 4:9.

Let's assume we kill a villager today, as you seem to think is best, then it's 4:8 and after night it's 66% likely that it'll be 4:7.

Let's instead assume we lynch a wolf. Well then it's 3:9 going into night, 3:8 after they get their guaranteed kill.

I have no idea how you cannot see that killing a wolf today is easily our best move. If the wolves are controlling the dead thread, then it means we're owning them. Which is just fine by me.

[Keybored]

why would i want to get angry and revenge vote a wolf when its obvious that your ploy is to get control of the dead thread and pick off the good players. i think keybored is the 3rd as he opened up with a lynch baudib after i put my warning about wolvees could control the angel.The only dumb people are those that think that the wolves controlling the dead thread and therefore the first couple of protections is +EV for the village. not killing you today is not the same as saving your lynches for when it won't hurt the village

Wait, what? How'd I get pulled into this? I voted for Baud only after I discovered there was such a thing as a revenge vote. I'd planned to keep last game in the past. That and I honestly get tired of his endless banter. I'm gonna park on him until a decent wolf smell comes along. As for this dead thread, I don't see the point in trying to over analyze the nether land. And I don't think most others do either. Finding the right lynch is the most important thing right now. With the 9/4 ratio, we can't afford bad lynches. Let's hang the right person for the best reasons today. Alas, we need more ppl to help in the meantime...

[baudib]

I feel like Ong is baiting Keith into a fight.