The Matrix Werewolf - Game Thread

[philly and the phanatics]

Out of self preservation lynch jkds

[BooG690]

Hey look, guys. Wuf and Philly posting closely together (in time) for the same easy lynch.

[philly and the phanatics]

Lol boog just lol "Philly just bolded someone who I confirmed was someone he found Wolfy "

[philly and the phanatics]

Hey guys boog and wolf have the same amount of letters....the second letter of both words is also 'o'...I'm still waiting for you to make any points of merit

[lilrascal]

DAY 2 VOTE COUNT - Posts 607 thru 679

JKDS - 3 (a500lbgorilla [660], philly and the phanatics [676], wufwugy [672])
SuperMonkeyFace - 1 (Hoopy [658])
a500lbgorilla - 1 (MadMojoMonkey [662])
philly and the phanatics - 1 (BooG690 [671])

Not Voting - 3 (GatorJH [0], JKDS [0], SuperMonkeyFace [0])


5 is MAJ. D2 Ends at 8:00 PM EST 29 November. Votes at :00 are good, :01 are bad.
Please stop posting at EOD even if I haven't declared it night.

Note: Numbers in brackets are the post number for the vote. Please let me know if I missed any votes so I can correct my spreadsheet.

Day ends in 28 hours.

[GatorJH]

I'm more inclined to lynch SMF among the top suspects as of now. (His soft push on me is only a small factor in this.)

I'm reading boog, Gator, and Hoopy as near lock V so far. Philly is still exactly neutral.

wolfy:
a500lbgorilla
JKDS
SuperMonkeyFace
wufwugy

JKDS has me in a difficult spot. My wolf list makes no sense, given that JKDS has the other 3 as his wolf list. JKDS bussing both of his wolf buddies on early D2 doesn't fit the mold. My wolf list is not good.

@JKDS: Which of your reads are your strongest right now? Which have you a bit uncertain?

If no one is joining me on wuf, then I think rilla and SMF are the top choices. I prefer rilla.

lynch rilla

***

@boog, gator, hoopy: Are you clearing rilla as a V?
He hasn't convinced me of one aspect of this game that I've been missing.

MMM, I like your list above with the exception of JKDS. He made a post earllier (that I will reference in the next post) that makes me believe he is a villager.

Btw, I have boog and hoopy more neutral than lock villager and would like to hear your thoughts on why you are so sure about them to see if I am missing something. If two of wuf/rilla/ SMF are wolves (I think wuf could be the villager there fwiw) I think the other two could be in boog/hoopy.

[GatorJH]

Working for the next 6 hours. Skimmed most of the day..

Mmm intro into today felt wolfy for whatever reason

I should be around tonight if I don't go out with friends.. If not I'll give the thread a really good read through and be active tomorrow

The reason I've been slanking is because I haven't given the thread a good full read so I don't wanna start giving joy takes with no real info

I'm a slow starter.. That hasn't changed since game 1 here but don't lose faith in me

In case you haven't figured it out the village is in a tough spot here. We can't afford to let you take your time getting up to speed. If you really want to help the village get a win you need to start hunting wolves.

[GatorJH]

holiday weekends gonna holiday weekend...i'm here now, and besides an imminent nap i should be here most of the night as i will be watching my noles slay gator's gators. Got any predictions GatorJH? If i put the over/under on Dalvin rushing yards at 125 are you really taking the under there?

If you put the number at 150 I am probably STILL taking the over.

[JKDS]

Rilla is sounding more villa

[JKDS]

Wuf-boog-smf?

[JKDS]

I like Philly and mmm for villa lately too

[JKDS]

lynch wuf

[JKDS]

I think it'd hard for Philly to post as much and as often as he has aND still be a wolf. Villa I say

[GatorJH]

okay so it's time to get rolling. jkds is heavily in his wolf range and quite outside his v range. his play is similar to how he could as a wolf, but quite dissimilar to his likely play as a villager. on top of that, he has said many things (not just several, but many) that are very unvillage in thought process. it's almost as if he's trolling, saying things that are pretty blatantly wrong or bad logic. additionally, his sheer lack of investigativeness is VERY telling. we all know from experience that his v game is much different than this, and even he has claimed such several times in the past.

jkds

Wuf, Can you provide some examples here?

[GatorJH]

Several of us are divided on rilla so I am going to ISO him real quick to see what I can find.

[MadMojoMonkey]

MMM, I like your list above with the exception of JKDS. He made a post earllier (that I will reference in the next post) that makes me believe he is a villager.

Btw, I have boog and hoopy more neutral than lock villager and would like to hear your thoughts on why you are so sure about them to see if I am missing something. If two of wuf/rilla/ SMF are wolves (I think wuf could be the villager there fwiw) I think the other two could be in boog/hoopy.

I'm coming around on JKDS. I'm leaning more V on him based on this page (100 ppp).

Hoopy I said above.
After an ISO, his posts express a consistent theme and progression of thought. <- not a meta read.

To be fair, I don't remember hoopy-wolf. Anyone remember last game hoopy was a wolf?

boozh mostly for this post where he says he's not going to be around at EOD, and will not vote for ong or gabe, and plants his vote on JKDS.

[GatorJH]

In Rilla's first few posts he goes after BID and ends up throwing his vote that way. He then backs off after this post:

So is it this, BID?

1. Fake claim PR to bite the bullet for the team.
2. Retract to have more fun
3. Reassert the claim to stir the pot and have more fun.
4. Worry that you'll take one for the team and have no fun and eventually walk away from the claim.

I would give that more villager than wolf as I don't think a wolf gives BID an out like that.

Lists these three with no real explanation, but that is standard rilla play so neutral.

{baudib, OngBonga, wufwugy}

Maybe?

He slightly wavers on wuf in the next post, but that is pretty thin if anything, but then starts to zero in on ong.

Man of no convictions, this one.

lynch OngBonga

Here is where I started wondering about rilla. He bolds a bunch of words from Ong like "kinda", "really wanna say", etc, which I thought was kind of thin, especially when Ong said that was just how he talked. Here's the thing though. I went back and looked at a bunch of Ong's posts from two prior games and he generally DOESN'T say those things. He is generally more confident so I can certainly see how that would have stood out to rilla.

That line is what was bugging me about rilla, however if I take that tinfoil out of my analysis everything else he has done seems more villager than wolf.

Net net, I think I am wrong about rilla.

[wufwugy]

@gator

Thats not matrix music.

lynch ong

Lynch all liars bro. ITS WHAT YOU DO

^^bolds ong

WTH ong, why havent you responded to my troll attack? Are you actually wolfing or what?

^^reads as if he knows ong is v, otherwise he'd be cognizant of using this as a hunting tactic.

I think its funny that I jokingly attack ong, and he posts a paragraph of defensive defensiveness, then ultimately votes me. Theres such a huge disconnect there, like, hes posting videos with me, then goes dark and responds in a nonjokey manner.

^^as with the previous thing, to a villager this is evidence for role, but jkds isn't thinking of it as such.

What even is this, its such a huge overreaction that i cant see a villager coming up with it

^^ah so your attack has yielded fruit. so much so that you say you don't think a villager could even say what ong said. looks like he should be tops of your wolf list now.

You say this every single game we play together. Stop smoking

^^response to ong bolding him. jkds continues to speak to/about ong as if he knows his role and isn't using villager-hunting brain.

Lynch BID

I still like this a lot. Jokey wolf-game posts + fluff.

^^bolds bid. not ong, but bid. he doesnt bold the guy whom vjkds would think to be wolfing but does bold the guy whom the village thinks is mostly lock v. his reasoning is pure generic surface too. jkds is better than that.

Why? That BID post is the prime example of the easiest posts of easiness for a wolf to ever make. A million paragraphs of non-game related stuff, a quick read, and then lots of blah about flipping.

Villa BID is a way better player than anyone ever gives credit, and we arent seeing that right now.

^^no idea what he's trying to say here. it applies to wolfbid too, not just vilbid. anyways his point here doesnt even make much sense.

I do, why dont you? The only villa post I can see possibly being villa from him is where he attacks rilla for having opposite reads, and thats only marginally villa.

Lemme ask you this. Remember a time where BID fucked up and screwed over his team. What role was he? Its the rare game where I see that from villa bid nowadays

^^wait so bid posting in such a way that everybody thinks he's v is screwing over his team which means he must be a wolf since the only time he is thought to have played badly is as a wolf? no way jkds actually thinks this. it's wolf-sense, nothing else.

Im not sold on ong yet. Its possible im just reading him wrong, and I've noticed a habit where I go after him early a lot nowadays. I dont care about that alone, but what bugs me is that even when im right, it doesnt go anywhere. So ima sit on it

^^after i call him out on these inconsistencies, his response reads like a blowoff instead of a consideration. it's funny how convinced he is on bid, where he has little reason, but isn't sold on ong, where if he was villager he would have found ample reason.

Nah, you just saw me being different and fired a vote.

Somebody pushing me is a wolf, and im leaning more towards the late people than the early.

^^but i DIDNT see him being different. i explicitly said that i like his tone. it's his content that was emblematic of wolfiness.

also how does he come to the conclusion that somebody pushing him is a wolf? his wagon wasnt that big and there are lots of villagers trying to figure things out. it's a lazy copout. a villager would instead be looking at who is making reasonable cases and who isnt. a wolf makes a sweeping statement about him being popular therefore wolves are involved.

Idk what you're referencing, but it sounds pretty insulting.

^^lol except this was like within four months or somethign and jkds said more than once that he shit the bed and played bad wolf and doesnt want a repeat and intends to play differently to fix it. in fact, he even acknowledged early in the thread that he was "playing differently" when he responded to me. so he KNOWS he's playing differently, which suggests he has a clue as to why. instead of v thought process we get jkds playing dumb and saying he has no idea what im talking about.

K, im gonna go play fallout 4 then. Did you know? The molerats ambush you now. They litereally jump out of the ground and squeal and shit. Its awesome.

Gator is never ever a wolf, never lynch him ever. Also stop clearing BID for no reason, his posts are too calculated/fluffy for villa bid, and they lack a lot of villa talk.

^^how does he know gator is never (never ever) a wolf? has gator done anything remotely close to clearing himself? has jkds given any evidence whatsoever to show the village why gator is cleared? nope and nope.

jkds is a wolf lol

^^gabe gets it.

How am I not dead? I got to like 5 and then fucked off. Now I feel bad for not asking to be subbed

how does THIS make you feel bad for not being subbed? i dont even. he's mashing buttons.

Wuf-rilla-smf?

^^no reads, just a statement.

Dont think mmm gets mad if he's a wolf. Insultong reads doesn't make you angry if they're fake reads

^^doesn't clear mmm at all since it was ftr-mod-like-standard-mmm stuff. he doesn't like people insulting others. this is not role indicative at all. jkds is using a generic read "people tend to not take things personally as such n such" and applying it where it obviously does not belong. he's better than this.

Again, gator doesn't rescind for the reasons he did if he's a wolf. Doesn't make sense.

I kinda like hoops posts too

^^rescind from WHAT??? a rescind from jkds himself? how in the shitballs does this tell jkds anything about anything? but apparently jkds has a hard-on for calling gator lock-v for the weirdest thing.

Hell, maybe it's boog instead. He looks wolfy, and not in the boog is always wolfy sort of way. Maybe I'm wrong on smf?

Wuf is wolfy for his posts about me and his attacks and such. Rilla hasn't won the game yet, unfair to him...but the last 3 games as villa he nailed almost the entire team.

^^how the fuck am i fucking wolfy for fucking pointing out the fucking most obvious fucking things? i had good reasons for calling jkds wolf yet all jkds can say is "he say i wolf therefore he wolf". nevermind that between now and then ONG HAD BEEN LYNCHED. ofc jkds doesn't give a shitting shit what happened because he's not hunting anything. he just wants to remind everybody that he's super totes not a wolf.

Rilla is sounding more villa

^^rilla had done NOTHING between this and the last time jkds had posted. nothing other than two lines, one of which was bolding jkds. how does vjkds ever ever ever think this means rilla is somehow less wolfy? meanwhile he's calling ME wolfy for something i had said days ago about him being wolfy.

Wuf-boog-smf?

^^again, readless, statement-full

lynch wuf

^^ oh wow, what an incredible read you have there. since i think you're a wolf, i must be a wolf. nevermind that jkds still doesn't give a shit about what happened during ong's time and the other deaths.

I think it'd hard for Philly to post as much and as often as he has aND still be a wolf. Villa I say

^^what? what waht waht wahwt waht waht

this is not a read. no villager thinks this. this is -infinity level thinking. philly hasn't even posted that much, and jkds knows better than to think for a second that posting a decent chunk is indicative of role.





jkds is a wolf. if he's a villager, this is several times over the worst game he's played.

[GatorJH]

I also think I might be wrong on wuf. These posts jump out at me:

He starts out going after Gabe.

i see little reason to change vote from gabe.

somebody else pinged me (mmm) but it's not enough to bold

When the Gabe heat doesn't take off he starts to move over to JKDS, but leaves Gabe on the back burner.

i like jkds' tone, but the things he says are as if he thinks ong is a wolf. but then he bolds bid

i think if he's v he would leave his vote on ong

there is a path that i see for gabe being v, but i still like him for w. looks like he's not getting lynched today though.

there's a good possibility i won't be done with stuff before eod tomorrow

lynch jkds

JKDS wasn't taking off either so he jumped over to Ong.

finished studying earlier than anticipated.

this does not feel like v ong. i'll reread to get a better grasp of it, but i like ong lynch the best right now, or at least equal to a jkds lynch.

ongbong

Then he posts this where he doesn't even mention Gabe. What happened to all of those suspicions?

baud has not liked bid bolding ong or jkds

part of why ive got it ong jkds baud

It just really looks like Wuf was poking at things until he found a train that would get out of the station.

I really think I like a lynch wuf for today.

[GatorJH]

And then he does all of that research on JKDS. Sigh. I guess I should read through all of that.

rescind

[wufwugy]

I'm coming around on JKDS. I'm leaning more V on him based on this page (100 ppp).

hoopy is my no.2 villager, and after your point on boozh, boozh may be my no.3 villager.

what do you mean about 100ppp? what specifically is making you lean v jkds?

[BooG690]

Gator's post just reminded me of something I went after Wuf for on D1:

there is a path that i see for gabe being v, but i still like him for w. looks like he's not getting lynched today though.

What makes you say he's not getting lynched today?

I hated Wuf's rescind gabe, lynch JKDS at the time since gabe was in the lead at the time Wuf rescinded gabe. With gabe flipping villager, Wuf's rescind here is pure village; he didn't realize gabe was in the lead. A wolf knows the vote count and doesn't make that mistake, especially Wuf. A wolf stays planted on villager gabe.

Wuf goes into the village pile.

[BooG690]

ppp = posts per page

[GatorJH]

A few of wuf's comments above make me wonder if I have been pocketed by JKDS. Unfortunately I won't be able to validate it until tomorrow morning as I have some friends coming over for the game and need to help the wifey get ready.

[philly and the phanatics]

I thought JKDS's post about my post count was off too...it feels like someone who knows i am a villager and wants to be able to take claim for "reading me" as such when i die. It seems like a good preemptive defense in my opinion. Or at least a good way to throw shade on those that try to murder me, because he knows that im coming up v.

[philly and the phanatics]

I'm coming around on JKDS. I'm leaning more V on him based on this page (100 ppp).

Hoopy I said above.
After an ISO, his posts express a consistent theme and progression of thought. <- not a meta read.

To be fair, I don't remember hoopy-wolf. Anyone remember last game hoopy was a wolf?

boozh mostly for this post where he says he's not going to be around at EOD, and will not vote for ong or gabe, and plants his vote on JKDS.

MMM why does that post clear boozh? If a wolf knows that both are about to come up villager, and its clear that one of them are going to die without you getting your hands bloody, its easy to start hedging. I know his vote was already placed on me, but that was clearly going nowhere as well which could be seen as a cop out, this way he at least keeps up the illumination of being involved....am i tinfoiling too hard right now?

[philly and the phanatics]

A few of wuf's comments above make me wonder if I have been pocketed by JKDS. Unfortunately I won't be able to validate it until tomorrow morning as I have some friends coming over for the game and need to help the wifey get ready.

good luck sir...you guys are playing with house money right now at 10-1, so no matter what its been a great year...for us it was always gonna be a rebuilding year, but a win here and a bowl win will lock in a great contextual season for us as well

[Hoopy]

Just got back home and I'm off to bed, I'll be catching up in about 9-10 hours.

[JKDS]

Wuf clearly wolfin now. I'm pretty happy here.

Fyi, yes, gator moving off of me when the entire village wants to lynch me is extremely villagery. Cuz I'm villa, and wolves don't do that. Think of how sketchy of a post that would be if he was wolf...gator's smarter than that. He obv villa.

And ya, no way philly posts as much as a wolf. Doesn't strike me like something philly would do. It's daring, and reckless for a person who hasn't played in forever, and I don't recall him having such a play style in the past. So he's villa for it.

Lynch wuf, if he's villa then shoot me.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

So I don't think jkds is ever v/v so there's that

Lynch madmojomonkey

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Jkds/wuf I meant obvi

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Philly and gator I feel good about as villagers

[GatorJH]

So I don't think jkds is ever v/v so there's that

Lynch madmojomonkey

Ok, my Gators just for their asses handed to them by FSU and I have been drinking all night, but if you don't think JKDS and Wuf are v/v why do you want to lunch mmm?

Methinks it is because you are a wolf who is not paying attention.

lynch smf

[GatorJH]

Above should have read "want to lynch mmm instead of the one of those two you think is a wolf".

[GatorJH]

If you put the number at 150 I am probably STILL taking the over.

And I would have won. 183 yards on the night.

Congrats on the win.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Easily the wolfiest post ITT, so good start.

If this is your new meta, I'm not a fan.

Ok, my Gators just for their asses handed to them by FSU and I have been drinking all night, but if you don't think JKDS and Wuf are v/v why do you want to lunch mmm?

Methinks it is because you are a wolf who is not paying attention.

lynch smf

I want to lynch mmm as my to wolf lean. I also feel good about there being a wolf in wuf/jkds (and I think that's pretty obvious there's one in there). But I don't know which one

Better?

[a500lbgorilla]

@MMM, is that all you've got?

No response to my case for wuf being a villager. No other lines of inquiry. No other indication for your suspicion.

Why don't you want to figure me out?

Also interesting that you're "coming around" on JKDS for no apparent reason.

[a500lbgorilla]

MMM, I like your list above with the exception of JKDS. He made a post earllier (that I will reference in the next post) that makes me believe he is a villager.

Btw, I have boog and hoopy more neutral than lock villager and would like to hear your thoughts on why you are so sure about them to see if I am missing something. If two of wuf/rilla/ SMF are wolves (I think wuf could be the villager there fwiw) I think the other two could be in boog/hoopy.

Gator, did you ever deliver on this?

[a500lbgorilla]

Wuf clearly wolfin now. I'm pretty happy here.

Fyi, yes, gator moving off of me when the entire village wants to lynch me is extremely villagery. Cuz I'm villa, and wolves don't do that. Think of how sketchy of a post that would be if he was wolf...gator's smarter than that. He obv villa.

And ya, no way philly posts as much as a wolf. Doesn't strike me like something philly would do. It's daring, and reckless for a person who hasn't played in forever, and I don't recall him having such a play style in the past. So he's villa for it.

Lynch wuf, if he's villa then shoot me.

Something very incongruent about JKDS. He's pretty loose about his reads, throwing them out there like they're candy, the ones that he does justify (Gator and philly) are cases with no substance, and he's willing to put himself up to be shot if wuf doesn't pan out as a wolf (essentially losing the game if he's a villager and wrong).

JKDS wants mistakes to happen.

[Hoopy]

You speak with 100% certainty that Wuf is a wolf. How can you speak with such certainty?

I'm not certain but thinking from a hypothetical situation if philly & wuf were both wolves.

[Hoopy]

Lynch wuf, if he's villa then shoot me.

A villager would know this is a very bad idea.

[Hoopy]

Something very incongruent about JKDS. He's pretty loose about his reads, throwing them out there like they're candy, the ones that he does justify (Gator and philly) are cases with no substance, and he's willing to put himself up to be shot if wuf doesn't pan out as a wolf (essentially losing the game if he's a villager and wrong).

JKDS wants mistakes to happen.

Yup I agree with this.

[Hoopy]

Philly and gator I feel good about as villagers

Why?

And why is MMM your top wolf suspect?

[GatorJH]

Gator, did you ever deliver on this?

I did not. When wuf posted all of his comments right after that I wasn't as confident in my read. It was this post:

Again, gator doesn't rescind for the reasons he did if he's a wolf. Doesn't make sense.I kinda like hoops posts too

At the time I felt like he wouldn't point this out if he wasn't a villager, but now am wondering if he was trying to pocket me.

[GatorJH]

I want to lynch mmm as my to wolf lean. I also feel good about there being a wolf in wuf/jkds (and I think that's pretty obvious there's one in there). But I don't know which one

Better?

No. You just repeated what you said in the first post. If you think there is a wolf in either of wuf or jkds why aren't you trying to figure out which one is the wolf?

[Hoopy]

Posting these for reference.

VOTE COUNT - Posts 1 thru 156

gabe - 3 ( baudib [69], wufwugy [132], BooG690 [150])
a500lbgorilla - 1 ( BankItDrew [109])
wufwugy - 1 ( gabe [143])


VOTE COUNT - Posts 1 thru 263

gabe - 3 (baudib [69], wufwugy [132], BooG690 [150])
a500lbgorilla - 1 (BankItDrew [109])
JKDS - 1 (GatorJH [207])
MadMojoMonkey - 1 (gabe [176])
OngBonga - 1 (JKDS [164])


VOTE COUNT - Posts 1 thru 382

JKDS - 3 (OngBonga [280], wufwugy [324], BankItDrew [341])
BooG690 - 2 (SuperMonkeyFace [266], gabe [344])
wufwugy - 2 (baudib [367], GatorJH [382])
gabe - 1 (BooG690 [150])
a500lbgorilla - 1 (MadMojoMonkey [299])
BankItDrew - 1 (JKDS [318])
OngBonga - 1 (a500lbgorilla [374])


VOTE COUNT - Posts 1 thru 462

gabe - 3 (Hoopy [ 388], OngBonga [392], baudib [446])
JKDS - 2 (wufwugy [324], BankItDrew [341])
OngBonga - 2 (a500lbgorilla [374], gabe [389])
BooG690 - 1 (SuperMonkeyFace [266])
BankItDrew - 1 (JKDS [318])
wufwugy - 1 (GatorJH [382])
philly and the phanatics - 1 (BooG690 [443])


VOTE COUNT - Posts 1 thru 502

OngBonga - 4 (a500lbgoril la [374], BankItDrew [492], gab e [389], wufwugy [475])
gabe - 3 (baudib [446], Hoopy [388], OngBonga [392])
wufwugy - 2 (GatorJH [382], philly and the phanatics [484])
BooG690 - 1 (SuperMonkeyFace [266])
BankItDrew - 1 (JKDS [318])
JKDS - 1 (BooG690 [481])


VOTE COUNT - Posts 1 thru 579

OngBonga - 4 (a500lbgoril la [374], BankItDrew [492], gab e [389], wufwugy [475])
wufwugy - 3 (GatorJH [382], OngBonga [576], philly and the phanatics [484])
BankItDrew - 1 (JKDS [318])
gabe - 2 (baudib [446], Hoopy [388])
JKDS - 2 (BooG690 [481], MadMojoMonkey [524])
BooG690 - 1 (SuperMonkeyFace [266])

[lilrascal]

DAY 2 VOTE COUNT - Posts 607 thru 721

JKDS - 3 (a500lbgorilla [660], philly and the phanatics [676], wufwugy [672])
SuperMonkeyFace - 2 (GatorJH [708], Hoopy [658])
a500lbgorilla - 1 (MadMojoMonkey [662])
philly and the phanatics - 1 (BooG690 [671])
wufwugy - 1 (JKDS [687])
MadMojoMonkey - 1 (SuperMonkeyFace [705])


5 is MAJ. D2 Ends at 8:00 PM EST 29 November. Votes at :00 are good, :01 are bad.
Please stop posting at EOD even if I haven't declared it night.

Note: Numbers in brackets are the post number for the vote. Please let me know if I missed any votes so I can correct my spreadsheet.

Day ends in 10 hours and 50 minutes.

[Hoopy]

At the moment I'm thinking the wolf team is this.

{JKDS, SuperMonkeyFace, ?}

The ? could be quite a few people as things stand.

JKDS flipping wolf would clear MMM and wuf imo, though I want to just check MMM's last few posts to be confident on that.

SMF is wolfier than JKDS and I feel like there's been resistance on his wagon most of the game. Having said that he doesn't really give us much of a trail to follow if he flips villager.

[Hoopy]

SMF is wolfier than JKDS and I feel like there's been resistance on his wagon most of the game. Having said that he doesn't really give us much of a trail to follow if he *flips villager.

*Flips wolf.

[MadMojoMonkey]

@MMM, is that all you've got?

Is what all I got?

Whatever it is, I probably got more. Except that my normal work schedule starts back up tomorrow and I will be less involved in the thread during the work week.

No response to my case for wuf being a villager. No other lines of inquiry. No other indication for your suspicion.

Your case for wuf being a villager is OK, but I'm not excited about it.

Wuf's case on JKDS is more compelling of wuf being a villager. It's just that we're at a point in this game where bussing is likely.

As to the rest, I think you're cherry-picking my posts to say that about me. It's been a slow holiday weekend, and we've barely filled 2 pages ITT on D2 so far. I don't know what you'd expect from me besides exactly what I'm doing.

Why don't you want to figure me out?

Why would you assume such?

FWIW, this question is wolfy as anything. I've never gone head to head with rilla, as I don't need to interact directly with rilla to get my reads on him.

Also interesting that you're "coming around" on JKDS for no apparent reason.

You're making this up, too.

I explained my reason. His wolf list looks identical to my wolf list, except I had him in my wolf list. That alone is enough to make me suspicious of my read on him.

You're making it sound like "coming around" amounts to a lock villager read.

If anything, it amounts to a villager read in the very short term. I have doubts about him wolfing and I have higher priorities now.

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SMF and rilla both making a push at me is interesting to say the least.

[Hoopy]

Its interesting that JKDS and SMF are avoiding each other.

I feel fine about lynching either of them today.

[GatorJH]

Its interesting that JKDS and SMF are avoiding each other.

I feel fine about lynching either of them today.

At this point someone is going to have to make a compelling case for me to move off of SMF.

[Hoopy]

I'll be out for the next 4-5 hours but will be here for the EOD.

[JKDS]

Im feeling like smf is a scapegoat right now. He's a very easy person for wolves to attack, since he's not around. I'm not feeling it, and the fact that hoops only has scapegoat 1 and scapegoat 2 as his wolf picks make me think he's wolfy now.

[JKDS]

Anyone who thinks it's a mistake to shoot me at this point hasn't played enough werewolf. If im wrong on wuf, I'm the lynch tomorrow. That's terrible, so you should shoot me now in that scenario. Duh

[a500lbgorilla]

Anyone who thinks it's a mistake to shoot me at this point hasn't played enough werewolf. If im wrong on wuf, I'm the lynch tomorrow. That's terrible, so you should shoot me now in that scenario. Duh

Can you say this one more time? I must be a bit slow because it's whizzing right past me.

Why can't you convince the village that you're a villager even if you're wrong on wuf.

And also, why do you think you're right on wuf?

[SuperMonkeyFace]

I'm willing to go between wuf and jkds for information sake.

But literally almost every one of mmms posts I think are wolfy. Feels like he's soft pushing or discrediting someone nonstop. His entrance into d1 and d2 feel just as wolfy

Wuf I read a few posts as wolfy and I don't really know about jkds other than them going at each other

[a500lbgorilla]

What do you think about JKDS?

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Don't really have an opinion on jkds' role other than one of him or wuf should be a wolf based on thread flow.

How would you differentiate the two?

[a500lbgorilla]

So you don't have any thoughts at all about JKDS? He hasn't done anything that makes you think anything about him?

What do you think of wufwugy?

[wufwugy]

my issue with a jkds lynch is that he's so over the top illogical that part of me feels like a wolf wouldn't be this bad. i dont think that matters, always lynch the person saying the wrongest things, but it's frustrating for the times he flips v.

anyhoo, here's jkds telling us that both he and gator are wolves:

Fyi, yes, gator moving off of me when the entire village wants to lynch me is extremely villagery. Cuz I'm villa, and wolves don't do that. Think of how sketchy of a post that would be if he was wolf...gator's smarter than that. He obv villa.

okay, jkds said that him being v and having a growing wagon means that a player who is w who gets off the wagon would be acting in a sketchy way. wait, what? um, if gator is w and jkds is v, then gator abandoning the vjkds wagon is GOOD for wgator.

the claim that wgator would be acting sketchy ONLY makes sense (assuming jkds is not trolling and is thinking rationally) if both jkds and gator are wolves. in that case, wgator abandoning the growing wjkds wagon DOES look sketchy.

so what we have here is (assuming jkds isn't thinking irrationally or trolling) jkds posting from his wolfmind with the knowledge that he and gator are wolves. it's your basic slip.

[wufwugy]

also ive been sitting on gator for a while in an attempt to get untampered thoughts out of him. if jkds is a wolf, gator is pretty much always a wolf as well. it isn't just by jkds' behavior towards gator, since that could be a sneaky trick for a wolf to weirdly hard defend a villager to get that villager to die after the wolf dies. but since gator's reaction to jkds have been "see no evil hear no evil", we basically now know that if jkds is a wolf, gator must die.

[a500lbgorilla]

0% chance wolf-wuf sprawls out to target Gator like this.

Especially because it touches on the subtext of the day:

{JKDS, SuperMonkeyFace, ?}

Who is that question mark?

Still though, one wolf at a time.

[JKDS]

Rilla sounding like villa rilla again. Pretty sure he's not wolfing.

But no rilla. Wuf attacks gator like that all the time. It's natural wolf flow after he goes "obv jkds just howled lolol therefore gator wolf lolol". He even adds a "obv I didn't attack gator before because reasons...totally not because the read is outta the blue and makes no sense given wufs posting history.

And ya, I've been lead wagon today, yesturday, and will be again tomorrow unless I'm right on somebody. The correct move is to kill me sooner, so we don't waste time focusing on me instead of finding wolves. You aren't gonna seriously consider someone else until I die, so I should die.

[JKDS]

I think smf is a scapegoat too.

Wuf-hoopy-boog. I'm locked in. Lynch one of these, if it's not a wolf, shoot me so you consider someone thay could actually be a wolf tomorrow

[JKDS]

Im gonna talk slower.

I'm a villager. Wolves know I'm a villager.
Assume gator is a wolf.
Jkds gets to a lot of votes. Everyone hates jkds.
Gator decides, hey, you know what, let's rescind and post about how I don't think jkds is wolfy.

What.

In what universe does gator go so massively against the grain here as a wolf?

Is he fps-ing because lol gator always does that as a wolf (no he doesnt)

Or is the assumption that he's a wold fail...and he must therefore be a villager? Does villager gator ever reconsider his reads and go against the grain? YES

[wufwugy]

it makes more sense that both of you are wolves than that you're open to uber clearing gator based on that. it's a good move for a wolf to drop off a v wagon when it grows. it has been done before.

if you had called gator villy for it, that would have been fine. but you went way over the top and have called him unlynchable for it.

[BooG690]

JKDS/Wuf are (W/V) / (V/W) 85% of the time here, right?

Lynch JKDS

[JKDS]

it makes more sense that both of you are wolves than that you're open to uber clearing gator based on that. it's a good move for a wolf to drop off a v wagon when it grows. it has been done before.

if you had called gator villy for it, that would have been fine. but you went way over the top and have called him unlynchable for it.

Because I've never hard cleared someone for reasons like this before. Oh wait, I do it all the damn time and you know that for a fact.

You know what got me on your trail wuf? It was your ong vote. Pushing me was only mildly wolfy tbh, but it was your "oh hai, I'm back from studying and see ong is gaining steam, let's throw a vote on him. Oh but I'm not convinced really....never moving...but you know...gotta keep options open." That post.

What are you gonna do when I'm dead wuf? Lynch smf? Or is gator gonna still be your go-to once I'm cleared as villa?

[JKDS]

finished studying earlier than anticipated.

this does not feel like v ong. i'll reread to get a better grasp of it, but i like ong lynch the best right now, or at least equal to a jkds lynch.

ongbong

This one. The let's move off of jkds because I'm sorta ok but have to reread about ong vote.

[BooG690]

Wuf's conspiracy closely matches one I had on D1. Five minutes after Wuf voted JKDS to give him the wagon lead:

Today has been a very weird day. We have two, if not three, TWTBAW players; Rilla being weird; baud and wuf posting dramatically different; and JKDS " just shaking it up.

I really don't know how to react to all of this and am not sure I like my vote anymore. Would wolf JKDS really act this way?

rescind

If JKDS flips wolf, Gator climbs to the top of the list. The rescind five minutes after JKDS takes the lead makes me suspicious.

If he and I were wolves I would have found a way to rescind long before he took the lead and certainly wouldn't do it right afterward.

He hasn't been Bigred-like since page 1. Your rescind just got even more suspicious.

Are you even reading the thread? His comment about your avatar in post 158, the cat video in post 162, then posts 164 and 165 all scream bigred.

I like my JKDS vote even more now.

[JKDS]

What, you're hoping that you get cover by hard defending wuf right now?

Hey, real quick, why do you think wuf is wolfy.

[BooG690]

Hey, real quick, why do you think wuf is wolfy.

I don't. I think YOU'RE a wolf. Wuf's long post #693 and his associating of you and Gator sold me. I think you two are W/V a lot of the time with you being the wolf a huge percentage of the time.

[JKDS]

Page two is gold for a wuf-boog team. They practically high five as they go after gabe...someone that old school ww players fear

[wufwugy]

Because I've never hard cleared someone for reasons like this before. Oh wait, I do it all the damn time and you know that for a fact.

You know what got me on your trail wuf? It was your ong vote. Pushing me was only mildly wolfy tbh, but it was your "oh hai, I'm back from studying and see ong is gaining steam, let's throw a vote on him. Oh but I'm not convinced really....never moving...but you know...gotta keep options open." That post.

What are you gonna do when I'm dead wuf? Lynch smf? Or is gator gonna still be your go-to once I'm cleared as villa?

lol from your perspective if you're a villager, this would be a player moving off of your wagon, just like gator moved off your wagon, so you should think im v for it just like you say gator is v.

im on you because you keep saying things that are wrong or contradictions. it's that simple.