Drug smugglers and Feds gameplay thread

[jyms]

My tendency would be to help defend jyms in a spot like this since it's easy for people to make the mistake of having their suspicion color a lot of things wolfy when they shouldn't be colored at all. His omitting some inactives, for instance, doesn't seem like anything but a hasty mistake.



This then the hasty post where he says he's not going to defend and throws the first pile of names he can pull from memory is raising alarm bells for me. Jyms, what about being a villager makes you uncomfortable?

I always post too much, get the obvious "no wolf posts that much and doesn't make a mistake" "obvious villager" and I get killed at night by wolves mid game to keep the confusion alive. The only thing that kills you getting to the end game is people thinking you are a wolf, or thinking your a lock villager. Wolves kill lock villagers.

[jackvance]

What if everyone started doing that?

[OngBonga]

Cmon bikes and pascal, hurry up and post so we can remove inactivity from our lynch criteria. It doesn't help us when so many votes are on these two, it's a nice place for wolves to hide whilst appearing to be pro-town.

I'm still happy with daven. "His spray feels different" is just plain weak. First page is random noise. My spray is random noise. It's no different to any other random noise I make on the first page. If daven really does think my spray is different, then why did he jump off my wagon? I got to four votes pretty quickly, I could get lynched today, so to say his vote wasn't much use is odd. It's reeks of opportunism, and he regonised it when others started to drop me, so he backed off. I'm with wuf, daven is a wolf.

[GatorJH]

@rilla/JV/Gator

What do you think of wuf's case against daven in post #100?

I can't imagine any wolf, especially Daven being that transparent on Day 1 unless it is a specific strategy which I think we would spot later, but not today.

[MadMojoMonkey]

vote count update
Jyms - 5 (jkds, MMM, NightGizmo, Savy, luco)
daven - 3 (ongbonga, wufwugy, aubreymcfate)
Pascal - 2 (gator, hoopy)
Bikes - 2 (gabe, JV)
Ongbonga - 1 (rilla)



Not voting: Daven, Keith, Eug, Jyms, Pascal, Bikes

Post #70:

[...]
lynch wuf

Post #95:

really?
lynch wuf

Looks like there are 2 votes for wuf. Am I missing something?

[Luco]

I don't think you are, no. Good spot.

[rong]

Meeting, will have to wait for 2 hrs.

[eugmac]

I agree with Jyms that it would seem stupid for a wolf to make a silly mistake on day 1, if we're all talking about the same mistake here (not counting me and Pascal in the non-poster group), and don't particularly want to see him lynched today. Thoughts coming on Daven.

[Savy]

I agree with Jyms that it would seem stupid for a wolf to make a silly mistake on day 1, if we're all talking about the same mistake here (not counting me and Pascal in the non-poster group), and don't particularly want to see him lynched today. Thoughts coming on Daven.

Why don't you want to see him lynched today?

[eugmac]

Because I don't think he's a wolf.

[eugmac]

Above I probably should have wrote "I didn't think he's a wolf". Because upon re-reading, this post

Probably because the last few games I am not posting in a way that feels comfortable to me. I tend to post far too much in these games and get too much villager cred and taken out by wolves in midgame to make it harder on the village. I have been purposefully trying to stay on the edge so that I can survive midgame. Probably not the best way to play, but what else can you do.

... indeed feels weird. Now I'm not so sure any more about my initial thoughts on Jyms. Apologies for flip-flopping on a double-post...

I promised thoughts on Daven and at the moment I can't say I have any after re-reading.

[Luco]

Honestly I don't know if jyms has the testicles to make that post as a wolf. Especially after all them nad-shrinking steroids he's been pumping.

[jyms]

Tons, but I take Nolva and HCG to keep my boys full. Wolves are safe, and planners on day one. Stop looking for mistakes and look for sheeps clothing as someone put it. We've played theeis game enough times to know this yet every fucking game everyone thinks they are going to be a fucking village hero and find a wolf day one from some huge tell

[JKDS]

unvote jyms i beleive him. Rillas response has me happy enough too.

@luco: sheeping just means following blindly, like a sheep.

I think mmm and Luco are town right now.

[NightGizmo]

rescind jyms, his explanation works for day 1 (esp with 2 inactives), although I'm not too keen on his new, balanced play style. We'll see how that plays out.

lynch bikes for inactivity.

[OngBonga]

Tons, but I take Nolva and HCG to keep my boys full. Wolves are safe, and planners on day one. Stop looking for mistakes and look for sheeps clothing as someone put it. We've played theeis game enough times to know this yet every fucking game everyone thinks they are going to be a fucking village hero and find a wolf day one from some huge tell

Why stop looking for mistakes? Wolves make mistakes on day one. Remeber when I got lynched on day one as seer? Who was I barking at? Yeah, you and stacks. Remind me again what your roles were that game. I'm sick of seeing people telling the village to not trust their gut on day one. There's literally nothing eslse to do. There's no role info, there's no associative tells, there's nothing but the very few posts we have. So I for one will continue to try and hound the wolves into making mistakes on day one, simply because if I didn't, then I'd have nothing to say.

[JKDS]

Lynch imsavy

Something about the way he joined the jyms wagon feels like bs. His vote post is a giant ramble of fence sitting, and then he echoes the other post a ton of ppl are talking about without really saying why its wolfy. He's also pushing the jyms wagon, which seems pretty inconsistent with his fence sit vote. I think he's a wolf eager for night, and sees jyms as the easiest vote. I also don't like how long it took for him to hop on, but he made no other posts before my case so that's prob meaningless.

[jyms]

Why stop looking for mistakes? Wolves make mistakes on day one. Remeber when I got lynched on day one as seer? Who was I barking at? Yeah, you and stacks. Remind me again what your roles were that game. I'm sick of seeing people telling the village to not trust their gut on day one. There's literally nothing eslse to do. There's no role info, there's no associative tells, there's nothing but the very few posts we have. So I for one will continue to try and hound the wolves into making mistakes on day one, simply because if I didn't, then I'd have nothing to say.

I was a vampire and stacks was a wolf. We weren't on the same team and both hunting the other as well. And If I remember correctly you threw out a ton of names that day 1 so saying you found wolves is pretty easy considering. Hell , haven';t you bolded like half the village today? Am I supposed to believe you found a wolf again>?

[OngBonga]

I got a villager vibe from ImSavy for #159, but it's weak.

[OngBonga]

I was a vampire and stacks was a wolf. We weren't on the same team and both hunting the other as well. And If I remember correctly you threw out a ton of names that day 1 so saying you found wolves is pretty easy considering. Hell , haven';t you bolded like half the village today? Am I supposed to believe you found a wolf again>?

Do you actually think my first three votes were a serious attempt at wolf hunting? Of course it's not, it's basically a reaction test. I've voted for wuf and daven seriously, and even then I'm not convinced yet. That game I refer to, by the end of the day I was convinced stacks was wolf, and pretty sure about you. Point is, I have no intention of changing my villager game to suit you, I'm happy with it just the way it is.

[aubreymcfate]

Jyms is definitely acting weird, but wolf? I mean... why? What's the point of even saying any of that as a wolf? I think I have a feel for jyms's general style now, and this is not a jymwolf.

I'm not sold on daven either but at least his was more of a fumble that a wolf might possibly make.

I honestly haven't even looked at the noobs closely yet - so hard to read.

whatup eug.

where the hell are bikes and pascal.

[jyms]

Bikes and pascal aren't wolf here most of the time. Unless one hasn't actually made contact with wolves and can't get to a computer. Wolves post, they try to look village and they stay in the weeds. Starting and climbing on and off wagons. They are careful, tehy don't get on wagons together or at teh same time. They make mistakes on purpose and the others point them out to distance themselves. Remember the whole "towning" debacle. It won the wolves the game when rong convinced everyone he was a villager.

[jyms]

I'm going to stay on a bikes lynch till he posts, then I will go for a pascal lynch. If they both post then I guess we will see what's next

[NightGizmo]

Ong/JKDS -- what is your take on lynching inactives? That's been my standard strat on day 1 (I've given my arguments for it in multiple games), but my only experience with WW is from this forum. Is it standard to eventually land on inactives rather than allow them to be modkilled?

[aubreymcfate]

I don't necessarily think bikes and pascal are wolves either. But like you said in post 148, it's hard on the first day.

The most likely thing is that wolves are well camouflaged on day 1. that's why a wolf bingo is our best bet, but that would also mean we'd be more likely to bag a wolf by going for someone random rather than someone who fumbled, 'cause wolves are going to be more guarded and less likely to fumble on day 1.

that's why i'm not sold on daven, but i also don't want to just pick someone at random because that's not cool.

[aubreymcfate]

Ong/JKDS -- what is your take on lynching inactives? That's been my standard strat on day 1 (I've given my arguments for it in multiple games), but my only experience with WW is from this forum. Is it standard to eventually land on inactives rather than allow them to be modkilled?

i go back and forth between this being a good strategy and a lazy strategy. i think it's a mix of both, lol.

[OngBonga]

Ong/JKDS -- what is your take on lynching inactives? That's been my standard strat on day 1 (I've given my arguments for it in multiple games), but my only experience with WW is from this forum. Is it standard to eventually land on inactives rather than allow them to be modkilled?

This game is different seeing as we have a reviver. We should probably lynch someone who will be useful if revived. Bikes is better than pascal on this basis, but he'd need to at least convince the reviver that he's going to participate. Dan has made it clear that before he modkills, he will warn us well in advance. If that warning comes, then we should consider lynching. Until then, voting for them is a wasted vote imo.

[NightGizmo]

If they both post then I guess we will see what's next

If both inactives show up, I'll probably switch to wuf. He doesn't know that Ong bolds half the village on Day 1 in every game? I think he's done that in every game I've played in the past year, and wuf was involved in all or nearly all of those games, iirc.

[JKDS]

I got a villager vibe from ImSavy for #159, but it's weak.

Why?

[OngBonga]

Why?

Seems like a natural concern, one that I shared. ImSavy seems to be asking the kind of questions that might provide associative tells later.

[eugmac]

I could go with a Savy lynch, yeah. He's on my radar after a couple quick read-throughs although I don't have anything more concrete to type here at the moment.

[eugmac]

I currently think aubrey's is town.

[jyms]

Savvy is noob. He can't go day one as much as we would like. We've always said we wouldn't do that to people that join our game. Day 2 lynches are fine. See if he can save his ass for a day 2 lynch.

[OngBonga]

rescind daven

lynch eugmac

[NightGizmo]

This game is different seeing as we have a reviver. We should probably lynch someone who will be useful if revived. Bikes is better than pascal on this basis, but he'd need to at least convince the reviver that he's going to participate. Dan has made it clear that before he modkills, he will warn us well in advance. If that warning comes, then we should consider lynching. Until then, voting for them is a wasted vote imo.

But if a player is modkilled for inactivity, how could they have possibly convinced us that they would be useful to revive? Sounds like a catch 22.

You do make a good point, though -- if Rong will give us ample warning, we can ignore the inactives until they are under threat of modkilling. Although with 2 inactives, we might want to kill off one of them and then ignore the other, so we don't end up sitting on day 2 with 2 potential modkills looming. Yes/no?

I've only played with bikes once before, and his attitude was "nothing good happens in the first 3 days, wake me later" (he was on the villager side, he might have been a special -- too lazy to check). So I'm inclined to think that bikes' inactivity means he's an uninterested villager -- so, I guess....

rescind bikes, lynch pascal

[eugmac]

Savvy is noob. He can't go day one as much as we would like. We've always said we wouldn't do that to people that join our game. Day 2 lynches are fine. See if he can save his ass for a day 2 lynch.

Didn't stop you from lynching Chipeaterman imo. I can't be bothered to check if you were on that wagon.

[eugmac]

CEM definitely deserved it though, to be fair.

[jyms]

ya bikes was seer that game if I recall. I'm not sure how much a revival really matters except it extends us another night with a known villager that the wolves have to kill. I don't think becaue it's a known villager, the opinion is any more valid than any other. Unless it's aseer lookup that we never got to hear about.

[eugmac]

rescind daven

lynch eugmac

fisticuffs! without any explanation either, nice. bring it!!

[jyms]

Didn't stop you from lynching Chipeaterman imo. I can't be bothered to check if you were on that wagon.

Ya but come on, it's CEM. His pics and posting had to go.

[OngBonga]

Yeah you have a point about two inactives, we can only lynch one. I'm expecting bikes to emerge, it would be strange for him to sign up after missing so many games, and then not bother, especially with dan being mod. IIRC bikes and dan have met up IRL and are friends. Plus, bikes is a good villager, especially at endgame, so I'm reluctant to lynch him purely due to activity.

Pascal is the better lynch of the two imo.

[OngBonga]

That was at gizmo ^^

[OngBonga]

fisticuffs! without any explanation either, nice. bring it!!

I point out that savy is making posts that could provide associative tells later, which could link you with jyms should either of you show up wolf, and you soft push ImSavy without having the metal to actually put your vote there. Seems like you're waiting to see if a wagon develops, a wagon that JKDS can take the rap for.

[OngBonga]

*mettle

[Savy]

Lynch imsavy

Something about the way he joined the jyms wagon feels like bs. His vote post is a giant ramble of fence sitting, and then he echoes the other post a ton of ppl are talking about without really saying why its wolfy. He's also pushing the jyms wagon, which seems pretty inconsistent with his fence sit vote. I think he's a wolf eager for night, and sees jyms as the easiest vote. I also don't like how long it took for him to hop on, but he made no other posts before my case so that's prob meaningless.

Pushing the boat or just asking for an explanation? The reason my post seems fence sitting is because I'm by no means convinced Jyms is a wolf and I was pointing out the gaps in my logic due to lack of knowledge of how people play.

As for how long it took me to "hop on", I unfortunately tend to sleep for around 8 hours a day.

[eugmac]

I point out that savy is making posts that could provide associative tells later, which could link you with jyms should either of you show up wolf, and you soft push ImSavy without having the metal to actually put your vote there. Seems like you're waiting to see if a wagon develops, a wagon that JKDS can take the rap for.

You really think you're see wolves associating with each other on day 1?

[eugmac]

my english good well type.

[OngBonga]

You really think you're see wolves associating with each other on day 1?

Sure. If I didn't think this, I wouldn't post on day one because there would be no point. Day one is only useful later when we know the roles of some people, and we can see how others interated with them. So yeah I think there's often associative tells on day one. It's just very difficult to spot them at the time. That won't stop me speculating though.

[jyms]

You really think you're see wolves associating with each other on day 1?

Ya this. Wolves are distanced in every way possible. They are careful not to be on wagons and defending each other. Most will take one for the team far faster than a villager would, because they know their team.

I'm willing to bet no 2 wolves have bolded the same villager yet, one may have bolded another wolf, but they wouldn't bold each other. They are weaving circles.

[MadMojoMonkey]

*mettle

Thanks. I was second guessing myself over that one. Had to look it up.

[aubreymcfate]

so far imsavy's lock villager to me. i understand the confusion of not knowing how people play your first game. i'm still figuring everyone out and it's my third game.

going after a noob for not making all the sense in the world on the first day and echoing other people is strange, to say the least, especially for jkds. there's no way he doesn't realize this is normal behavior. and the accusation is one thing, but a lynch? on a noob, first day, for not taking initiative quick enough and fence sitting? right, ok.

[OngBonga]

Ya this. Wolves are distanced in every way possible. They are careful not to be on wagons and defending each other. Most will take one for the team far faster than a villager would, because they know their team.

I'm willing to bet no 2 wolves have bolded the same villager yet, one may have bolded another wolf, but they wouldn't bold each other. They are weaving circles.

While I don't hate this post, it amuses me because it's the kind of shit you're really quick to hound me for... attempting to read wolves' motives and actions on day one. Keep up the good work.

[eugmac]

Ong, I think what he wrote was pretty generalized compared to the types of things you might be inclined to write, although I hardly know you in WW terms.

[jyms]

While I don't hate this post, it amuses me because it's the kind of shit you're really quick to hound me for... attempting to read wolves' motives and actions on day one. Keep up the good work.

I never bolded anyone claiming they are a wolf either.

I'm also not going to get into this with you like previous games. What will catch wolves is posting, lots of posting. When we, as villagers sit and argue over crap the wolves can just fuel fire and stay out of the way. Right now with two inactives, neither of which has much chance of being a wolf, we need to get the game moving. Many people that have yet to be involved, including gabe, rilla, JV, and gator are all going to be a huge problem if they turn up wolf. They need to be posting more and putting pressure on inactives will not do this either.

[OngBonga]

I've been wolf twice here I think, first time with jack and banana, and we hardly touched each other all game. Perfect win. Next time was with boog and pascal. Boog was voting for me every day from the off. We won again, near perfect. Point is, wolf strat varies from game to game, depends who the wolves are, how they're feeling, if it's raining, what they had for breakfast etc. jyms is second guessing what the wolves are doing here. This is no better speculation than anything I've ever posted on day one. But it's fine, because it's all we can do right now. I'm just pointing out that it amuses me.

I like jyms' recent post a lot though.

They need to be posting more and putting pressure on inactives will not do this either.

Yes.

[GatorJH]

Game Info
A quick point on modkills for inactivity. I will not modkill anyone for inactivity without stating it in this thread long before I do it, so you guys have a chance to take that information into account before it happens. I will also PM people a few times to encourage participation before modkilling them as well.

Just noticed this when reviewing something and will rescind Pascal for now as I assume Rong will give us plenty of notice before we have to lynch or modkill.

[rong]

vote count update
Pascal - 3 (Gator, Hoopy, NG)
Jyms - 3 (Luco, MMM, Savy)
Bikes - 3 (Gabe, Jyms, JV)
Wuf - 2 (Keith, Daven)
Daven - 2 (wuf, AUBREY)
Savy - (JKDS)
Eug - (Ong)
Ong - (Rila)





Not voting: Eug, Pascal, Bikes


Not even posted yet: bikes, pascal

Approx 14 hrs left of day one

[rong]

Just PMd both, they will both be modkilled at the start of night 2 if they haven't posted.

[Luco]

I never bolded anyone claiming they are a wolf either.

I'm also not going to get into this with you like previous games. What will catch wolves is posting, lots of posting. When we, as villagers sit and argue over crap the wolves can just fuel fire and stay out of the way. Right now with two inactives, neither of which has much chance of being a wolf, we need to get the game moving. Many people that have yet to be involved, including gabe, rilla, JV, and gator are all going to be a huge problem if they turn up wolf. They need to be posting more and putting pressure on inactives will not do this either.

Sounds good.

rescind jyms, lynch gabe

[bikes]

hi back. completely forgot sorry. am reading

[MadMojoMonkey]

Sounds good.

rescind jyms, lynch gabe

2nd
rescind jyms, lynch gabe

[bikes]

don't like lynching gabe now because he carries super hard early game and rarely if ever makes mid game.

[jackvance]

Ehh am I seeing this right 2 quick votes for Gabe of all people? And how am I not involved Jyms? Also seems a bit like he contradicts his own strategy, or thinks that what he says doesn't apply to him.

[Luco]

Glad you could join us bikes. Just need gecko for the full house... #onetime

[bikes]

jyms is talking an awful lot for day 1 dunno why. either you give yourself away as a villager early and get shot/nommed/killed whatever it is this game or you give yourself away as a wolf. w/e about missing 2/5 inactives. no stratagem would be that obvious.



normally i'd go with gabe on day 1 but seeing as he wants to lynch me (for totally justified reasons :[ )

i'll go with a pascal unless he shows up seeing as hes gonna be modkilled

[NightGizmo]

One inactive left and he won't be modkilled until after day 2, so I think it's safe to ignore Pascal for now.

rescind pascal, lynch wuf

[jyms]

Ehh am I seeing this right 2 quick votes for Gabe of all people? And how am I not involved Jyms? Also seems a bit like he contradicts his own strategy, or thinks that what he says doesn't apply to him.

Just thought I'd get you to post more. All I was saying.

Agree with bikes on the gabe not making mid game anyway as a villager since wolves usually take him out when he starts making noise.

[NightGizmo]

jyms is talking an awful lot for day 1 dunno why.

Jyms talked a lot in the other games I played with him, I wouldn't read too much into his volume.

[aubreymcfate]

rescind pascal, lynch wuf

why?

[NightGizmo]

why?

Because:

If both inactives show up, I'll probably switch to wuf. He doesn't know that Ong bolds half the village on Day 1 in every game? I think he's done that in every game I've played in the past year, and wuf was involved in all or nearly all of those games, iirc.

[aubreymcfate]

ah sorry about that. i even remember agreeing with you when reading that post this morning on the train, hah. ok yeah, fair enough.

in wuf's defense, i will say he has very glib play style. he's made many tenuous accusations before which he'll casually brush off later and not give a shit about, and he's been a villager all those times, so yeah. i dunno.

[MadMojoMonkey]

It's too early to bother voting for a no-show. Everyone will wagon a no-show if it comes to that.

The votes are too divided to even apply pressure on anyone right now; some consolidation is necessary to smoke out anything.

The jyms wagon got whatever it was going to get, so now pointless. (I still think jyms is acting funny, but maybe not wolfy.*)

Also, something doesn't feel right about JKDS.*

I'm guessing the votes for bikes are going to dissipate now that he's in the game.

IMO, Hoopy, Gabe and Keith have the least content so far (Pascal notwithstanding, and giving bikes the benefit of the doubt), with Gabe at just a single post.

Until people start being killed (or imprisoned), there is precious little to go on, and activity is what drives the game. So inactivity seems like a fine enough reason for a day 1 lynch.

*Any reads are lol at this point, and will need more info to become convincing.

[OngBonga]

Also, something doesn't feel right about JKDS.*

This is the kind of comment that experienced players make. Like those who have history with JKDS and knows when he feels right or not. I'm no longer reading mojo as villager for this single comment.

[Luco]

Yeah i'm not jumping on any coaching wagon

[OngBonga]

Yeah i'm not jumping on any coaching wagon

I'm not suggesting he's being coached. I'm suggesting his soft push at JKDS lacks basis. I'm not lynching mojo today because he's new, and I might be wrong. But I wanted to point it out because it pinged my radar.