Congratulations to the Werewolves of the HMAS Drink Your Ass Off

In no particular order, these fellows owned: GatorJH, Roid_Rage, Donachello, Ragnar4, Carroters.

As an enjoyable moment of demonstrating the clarity that comes from being on the rails: 86% of responders correctly identified GatorJH as the final wolf. The only other candidate to receive any votes was XxStacksxX who will certainly never find the balls to play werewolf again!

Luls. If it helps I was pretty damn certain of Roid being a wolf long before he got lynched!

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As the man behind the veil, it was obvious to me that Gator was killing the people who were interested in figuring out who the wolf was. Those that survived to the final few days were there precisely because they didn't want to be there.

I also deeply enjoyed modding this game. It's fun to be in the position of both on the rails and having perfect knowledge.

BR was interested in figuring out who the wolf was??? Had me fooled. There was me naively thinking keith and BR were killed because everyone had them down as villagers.

edit oh you meant his lynch votes?

Oh and your modding was awesome rilla, you had me in stitches half the time I was reading your posts.

Originally Posted by Viscaro

Oh and your modding was awesome rilla, you had me in stitches half the time I was reading your posts.

Thanks you and thanks to everyone who enjoyed them.

Bingo Bango

well played gator, although in hindsight you played almost exactly like you did in the game Bigred was the angel with the flips at the end.Trouble is thats playing as a villager all game and then flipping on the last day.

Was the lynch the modkills a wolf plan or trying to be a villager. I still think its better for the modkill to occur rather than losing two chances to lynch a wolf, letting the wolves choose two villagers to kill and potentially hitting a special role etc while the village gets nothing.

The lynching of modkills seemed to genuinely come from villagers. But again, I forgot Ragnar4 was a wolf yesterday so my memory of events could be a bit off.

Well I must say I'm pretty upset. That's a personal problem though. This is just a game, and only a cunt like me would get his panties in a wad over it right?

Props to Gator. I'd rather reserve the props for a time that he wins a game by actually tricking people, though. There were no Gator tricks here. Let that sink in. There were no wolf tricks that won the game. In fact, they got their asses kicked until it truly mattered. But for some weird, weird reason, the village ship just completely collapsed in the late game. Like rilla said, none of the villagers really paid much attention or something, and it became a case of almost every dead villager thinking Gator was the most obvious lynch in the world. The simple fact that NOBODY so much as pointed out that Gator was still alive just goes to show that it was a systemic village failure. By the midgame I even thought to myself that if I were the last wolf Gator, I would just give up because I thought no village makeup would let me live to the final two players

I guess I owe DTB an apology for derailing the Gator wagon. I still think it was correct, and I would still do it again. I didn't think he would ever survive as long as he did, and no matter what, I refuse to lynch good players in the early game

Even though I'm reluctant to say Gator played some kind of amazing game, I will say he did two things that were great

1) He provided zero early game info and did the lynch modkill stuff. While I was alive I took this as meaning he's more likely a villager, but after I died I realized he did it because he needed to stay as far away from everything if he was a lookup, and that if he wasn't a lookup he wanted to remain off the seer's potential radar. So good job at that. I didn't think it would matter though because I would always lynch Gator in the endgame, virtually without exception. I thought most villagers thought this, but was wrong. Supa was right, I keep thinking people think like I do

2) The ragnar wolf list. I think it was plainly obvious there were no wolves on that (other than DC obv), but it really confused the hell out of the village, and I thought it was the one tool that the final wolf could use to derail the village just enough to win (which it actually fucking did). Y'all niggas didn't listen to your seer telling you to not lynch anybody on that list, yet Dan still got gat, and it was because of this that both Viscaro and Gator were left alive. Viscaro was not a bad lynch. He needed to be killed earlier, but wasn't. I guess the final mistake was that the village killed somebody on the list instead of killing Viscaro.

I'm also changing my strategy a little. All low content players must die as quickly as possible. Lynching modkills doesn't help because the village will still just waste lynches on those guys anyways. And now I think I realize that the way in which those lynches tighten the pool from whence the hidden specials come doesn't actually matter since they're never low content and the wolves never kill low content players anyways

Ironically, any SDM fail doesn't come close to the Ship at Sea late-game village fail. I've been pulling my hair out for like a week just waiting for somebody to so much as point the finger at Gator. Then when Dan did right before he died I was like "finally, now people gonna scratch their heads and wonder why this guy hasn't been eaten yet". But alas



So anyways, good job Gator, you played great. I just want you to know that the seer found you and all your buddies. So it's not a real win because the village stopped listening to their seer shortly after he died




Also, philly told me his save was of JV. Which is fucking crazy

Originally Posted by Keith_MM

Was the lynch the modkills a wolf plan or trying to be a villager. I still think its better for the modkill to occur rather than losing two chances to lynch a wolf, letting the wolves choose two villagers to kill and potentially hitting a special role etc while the village gets nothing.

Yeah I think you're right now, but I'm honestly not sure. Some of my reasoning I see now could be wrong. And like I said, I think the lynch modkill was borne out of Gator just wanting to do nothing for fear of what the seer thought of him, and that I wanted to steer as far away from anybody finding the angel as possible. Also, because philly opted to save JV, the wolves already had their angel targets narrowed down by a shitload, yet I couldn't know this at the time, so I was operating on the assumption that they were likely trying to find the angel.

Yeah, philly soulread night 2.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

I guess I owe DTB an apology for derailing the Gator wagon.

It's all good, I knew I was fighting an uphill battle on that one.


Gator had that one post after DC fake outed where he refered to "A vig" which kind of shouted he knew DC was full of shit, and I probably should have said something before I died but I didn't think I could make a case with it.

Rag on SDM all you want, but if the motherfucker lived in the late game this time, he would have snap-bolded Gator every morning. Actually, he would have snap-bolded Keith until Keith got eaten, then snap-bolded himself until he realized nobody cared, then would snap-bold Gator until the end

im not so sure about that lol

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Yeah, philly soulread night 2.

Sadly, it showed his hand, though

After philly died and he said he was close to protecting himself and throw me under the bus, I was pissed and glad he died since I think that would have been an awful move. But after he told me he saved JV, I thought maybe he should have saved himself since he had to know the wolves had the angel narrowed down

I would actually like to hear the wolves thoughts on the search for the angel

well, the wolves would be best suited for answering that.

Did you wolfen folk have philly narrowed down as the angel?

edit yeah, I didn't see the last sentence in your post, wuf. But still, the people demand an answer from the wolves and a redundant post only proves that.

Originally Posted by DropTheBanana

It's all good, I knew I was fighting an uphill battle on that one.


Gator had that one post after DC fake outed where he refered to "A vig" which kind of shouted he knew DC was full of shit, and I probably should have said something before I died but I didn't think I could make a case with it.

If you think about it though, lynching Gator wouldn't have done anything other than just kill a potential wolf. I mean, he gave out zero information linking him to anything. Which is what I expected. He's the kind of player I want to leave alive for a while to let him formulate thoughts, and if those thoughts don't win the game, then kill him. I think this is a good strategy (as long as it's adhered to) because the wolves won't be able to exploit it that well. They can to a degree (like how they were planning on doing with JV in the previous game), but it just wouldn't work that well since it's even more of a mistake for the wolves to leave good villagers alive and able to figure things out.

Honestly, in the beginning I had Gator as a pretty likely villager, but by the endgame I haven't been more convinced of anybody being a wolf as I was of him. Oh wells. I bet stax feels pretty bad. I would like to say that it's got to be more a product of him not having paid too much attention to the game throughout, so he didn't notice the things that made Gator the guy

Originally Posted by wufwugy

Honestly, in the beginning I had Gator as a pretty likely villager, but by the endgame I haven't been more convinced of anybody being a wolf as I was of him. Oh wells. I bet stax feels pretty bad. I would like to say that it's got to be more a product of him not having paid too much attention to the game throughout, so he didn't notice the things that made Gator the guy

I want to add that leaving Viscaro alive was also very confusing. Coming into the late game, I had Vis and Gator as my two potential wolves left, so obviously leaving them both alive till the very end would add to the difficult choice

I suck =(.

Originally Posted by XxStacksxX

I suck =(.

Considering that only two dead villagers even PMd rilla.....

Originally Posted by wufwugy

Considering that only two dead villagers even PMd rilla.....

7*

Though many of them said "ldo" with their guess...

Honestly think it was a bigger mistake to switch my vote from Viscaro to Dan at the last minute than the last day lynch of Viscaro over Gator. I don't think it can be argued that Viscaro and Gator both didn't look rather suspect. But looking back through the thread, I quickly realized it was relatively unlikely that Dan was ever a wolf =(. Had he not died, and I lynch Viscaro instead, I almost snap lynch Gator over Dan at the end. But I really leveled myself into lynching Dan.

The modding was great, thanks rilla.

I liked the set up very much. Mainly the fact that the first night is seer only night, and there's no recruit. I don't think I could ever be made fan of a recruit WW, and I don't like the wolves getting a kill on the first night at all

But I propose an improvement. I do think the game favors the wolves too much, but regardless of that, I'd like to see an improvement on early game. What I mean by this is that some villagers are kinda just always screwed. The same damn players are always early wolf kills. It hurts game quality IMO, and must be quite frustrating for those players.

So I propose a new role, Necromancer. He's just a regular villager who can raise one dead villager. He can't raise a wolf or a special back from the dead, if he dies before he raises somebody then he loses his power, and if he is the very first regular villager killed by the wolves, he himself raises back from the dead. The person he raises will obviously be a villager, and the wolves simply have to eat that villager again in order to get rid of him

I think this won't make modding much of any harder, will increase participation and increase the enjoyment of early to die good players since one of them will surely be the raise target, and it won't make things too much more difficult for the wolves. I don't care if it's harder on the wolves though. As I said, I think it's too easy for them anyways. I haven't been a wolf, so I guess you could say I don't know, but currently I feel like when I am a wolf I'd wanna do something screwy and dumb just to feel like I'm playing fair

I mean, think about it, the seer found 80% of the wolves in the early game, the remaining wolf was a high profile target, yet the wolves still won. Shit needs to get tougher for them. Regardless, I don't care about that, I just care about increasing participation for all and enjoyment for the players who are regularly eaten in the beginning. I mean, if your name is JV, you're one of the first to die like 90% of the time unless you're the angel or a wolf. The fact that philly even protected JV shows that there needs to be a change here.



Or we could do a Poltergeist. Something along the lines of the mod flips a coin to find out who becomes the poltergeist (the first or second wolf kill), then that player gets to return for one Day just after the midway point of the game, so like on Day 6. Something like that. I like the Necromancer better though. I think it could make some interesting game play. Honestly, I just want to force the wolves to start considering not always ldo killing the JVs, Gators, Rillas, JKDS, of the world first

Actually, I would support adding a necro, polter, and another wolf. Three more special roles, easy to mod, not much harder for the wolves since there's another one of them, and the necro and polter would go a long way in increasing participation of the incessantly early killed good players. Obviously, you don't want too many special roles, but a few more isn't too many IMO

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

7*

Though many of them said "ldo" with their guess...

Many or not many?

Didn't you say you were gonna post all the guesses up? I wanna see this shit

viscaro being alive at the end certainly made my job easier and I was shocked that no one asked the question about why I was still there. I made my late game kills for a specific reason. I was hoping that people who really looked at why those people were nommed they would wonder why Gator the wolf would kill them because neither Keith nor Bigred thought I was too wolfish.

Also stacks, had viscaro been lynched instead of Dan I was planning on trying to sell Dan that YOU were the last wolf. Not sure if it would have worked though.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

Many or not many?

Didn't you say you were gonna post all the guesses up? I wanna see this shit

I said 86% of responders picked GatorJH. I didn't intend to name names as it wasn't meant to be an anonymous tabulation.

AROOOOOOOOOO! LOLOLOLOL.
Etc Etc

We didn't so much as Soul-read Philly as the angel, as he made a HUGE ass mistake and basicly was making decisions on information that he just couldn't have possibly known.

On day 2... Philly comes out and says that our night 1 Nom target was "an epic villager". How the fuck would he know that? Literally, like I said in my DC, Dan and Staxx are your final wolves rant, Philly held up a sign that read "Hai gais, I'mma angel"

The "Drunk Ragnar fuck this game rant"" (planned obviously.) We had a tad bit of dissention on how I should handle it from there on out. DC didn't say much, but he wanted me to walk away. Gator and I were pretty much both together on my causing as much trouble as possible, Roid didn't say much about it. We spent a TON of time considering putting Roid in my list too. I fucked up pretty epicly when I tried to seal the deal by counting keith twice... fucker voted twice... and I had been monitoring that thread for like 6 hours.. I was wordblind at that point. I'm the one that brought it to the group as a Hail Mary type play.. It wasn't well recieved at first... I'm glad I was able to put it in terms to the rest of the guys: "Guys, we're fucked anyway, lets have fun with it". After that, everyone really contributed to making it look like a pretty sexy rant.

Not gonna lie: I honestly felt like Wuf helped the Wolves more than the village with some of his convictions. I'll bet money right now, that his declaration that Gator was a villager, and re-declaration made Gator hands off to the village even on the very last day. That's actually one of the reasons I came out and said: Gee Wuf, you sure did a good job... His answers got more than a few ROFFELS out of us.

I honestly was pulling for a Gator, Staxx, Dan final 3. But I couldn't talk to gator about it because when I realized it was a possibility... I had died.

The most surreal moment of the entire game I must say...

When DC outs himself as the fake vig, and then doesn't die to a bullet in the head that night. It was so... amazing..

Originally Posted by XxStacksxX

Honestly think it was a bigger mistake to switch my vote from Viscaro to Dan at the last minute than the last day lynch of Viscaro over Gator. I don't think it can be argued that Viscaro and Gator both didn't look rather suspect. But looking back through the thread, I quickly realized it was relatively unlikely that Dan was ever a wolf =(. Had he not died, and I lynch Viscaro instead, I almost snap lynch Gator over Dan at the end. But I really leveled myself into lynching Dan.

Here's my breakdown of the late-game village fail


Hoopy - low content, still alive = fail

fulksy - Did what he could, but didn't pull the trigger on any ideas. Not sure if he wanted to, not sure if he felt like he even should have

kfaess - low content, still alive = fail

Keith - Didn't provide a breakdown when I thought he should have. Maybe he wasn't thinking about it, but if he did, he had to know he was going to die on the night he did. At the time, I was looking it over, and Keith was the correct eat the night he died regardless of who the wolf was

Dan - If he wasn't on ragnar's list I would have wanted him lynched like crazy. He looked so wolfy and erratic that he almost couldn't have been a wolf, but still needed to die. Because he was on the list, I think he shouldn't have died (plus he was my final lookup), but he looked so weird in the endgame, and only made the correct choice right before he died

bigred - He was still alive because he was a ldo villager based on reasons I gave when I was still alive. However, I get the feeling he and his psychic cat are here for the buffalo wings, so he's generally not doing much

Viscaro - First timer, but I thought he played decent. Problem is that first timers like him seem to go by the wayside. So even if he was right about something, he would have a tough time getting the job done. Given the makeup of the village, I do think he needed to die earlier, and you're right that leaving him to the last three was an important mistake

Stacks - You seemed to not pay much attention to some parts of the game, and have been playing erratically



All in all, this makes for one crummy ass late-game doesn't it? Most people weren't trying to get shit done, and when people did, it was too late or too weak, and the one person who I think should have gotten shit done (Keith) didn't. He was the only high content vet who paid attention the whole game.

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

AROOOOOOOOOO! LOLOLOLOL.
Etc Etc

We didn't so much as Soul-read Philly as the angel, as he made a HUGE ass mistake and basicly was making decisions on information that he just couldn't have possibly known.

On day 2... Philly comes out and says that our night 1 Nom target was "an epic villager". How the fuck would he know that?

how did i know you were going to go for him at all then -___-????? it was pretty obvious you would go for a good player, i would have said that even if i wasnt the angel, but o well...i figured it was my post about having the vig shoot sdm and big red.

I think this victory proves the very important point that I am a superior WW player to Keith.

It was a great honour to be able to lead my side to victory.

Feb 13th.. We just killed JV Turns out Philly soulread our kill...

[2/13/2011 12:19:43 PM] Doug: Note to self, any time rilla mods one of these things, pick on the guys he puts in his flavor text.. WTF was that?
[2/13/2011 12:20:38 PM] Doug: *fingers crossed* hope this works.
[2/13/2011 6:36:16 PM] Dustin Ranger: w
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[2/13/2011 6:36:21 PM] Dustin Ranger: b
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[2/13/2011 6:36:44 PM] Dustin Ranger: HOW IS JV ONLY A VILLAGER FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFf
[2/13/2011 6:36:55 PM] Dustin Ranger: *head asplooooode*
[2/13/2011 6:43:42 PM] Donnie Chell: lol
[2/13/2011 6:43:50 PM] Doug: seriously.
[2/13/2011 6:43:53 PM] Doug: how the hell did that happen?
[2/13/2011 6:44:12 PM] Dustin Ranger: its an angel that is thinking on our level
[2/13/2011 6:44:18 PM] Dustin Ranger: i think we should nom Keith tonight
[2/13/2011 6:44:32 PM] Dustin Ranger: this is just shotgun reaction obv
[2/13/2011 6:45:00 PM] Dustin Ranger: and ill re-eval as day goes along, but its someone thats thinking along the same lines as us, which makes me believe its going to be a reg the vasssstt majority of the time
[2/13/2011 6:45:25 PM] Donnie Chell: yeah
[2/13/2011 6:45:28 PM] Donnie Chell: very true
[2/13/2011 6:45:35 PM] Donnie Chell: like
[2/13/2011 6:45:38 PM] Dustin Ranger: key suspects - Keith, WBF, BR (probably not), mmm
[2/13/2011 6:45:39 PM] Donnie Chell: 100% of the time
[2/13/2011 6:45:50 PM] Dustin Ranger: possibly Dan...
[2/13/2011 6:45:56 PM] Dustin Ranger: honestly maybe philly
[2/13/2011 6:45:57 PM] Dustin Ranger: FUCK
[2/13/2011 6:46:01 PM] Dustin Ranger: <- mindfucked atm
[2/13/2011 6:46:08 PM] Donnie Chell: lol yeah I was thinking maybe philly
[2/13/2011 6:46:21 PM] Doug: why not take a run at him and see if he outs himself?




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[2/13/2011 11:25:46 PM] Doug: Philly just about has to be the Angel. How the hell does HE know that JV is an "Epic confirmed villager?

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[2/15/2011 10:06:11 PM] Doug: Philly's "super villager" argument for SDM just doesn't make sense
[2/15/2011 10:06:21 PM] Doug: if he is truly talking about last game.
[2/15/2011 10:06:22 PM] Doug: so be it
[2/15/2011 10:06:32 PM] Doug: but if he's not, it means he's clued in to info he shouldn't have

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

Not gonna lie: I honestly felt like Wuf helped the Wolves more than the village with some of his convictions. I'll bet money right now, that his declaration that Gator was a villager, and re-declaration made Gator hands off to the village even on the very last day. That's actually one of the reasons I came out and said: Gee Wuf, you sure did a good job... His answers got more than a few ROFFELS out of us.

Well then people didn't read what I said. I did probably make the mistake of claiming "villager status" for Gator. But that's how I say things, and it's always degrees and changeable

I did say several times that if Gator was still alive in the late game then he needs to die. I didn't think it was gonna be a problem. In my mind, I never had Gator as a confirmed villager, and I thought I made that clear. I thought I had stated that bigred, WB, Dan, Stax, Keith, and even Ong were all ahead of him in the "confirmation" category

If you notice, I call all the high profile players villagers at any juncture I can in the early game because lynching them at that time is shit and they are almost never villagers if they're still alive in the late game. I thought that was how everybody felt, and honestly expected everybody to jump on Gator if he was alive long enough. All my talk of "villager Gator" was in an attempt to derail his early game lynch and establish a hierarchy that didn't include killing him until the mid-late game


For some reason I thought Rilla was gonna extend my last day alive, since he said he would consider it I thought me being wasted and babbling then claiming I was gonna sober up and post mega epic greatness was enough. But that was not to be, and I never got a chance to post the definitive breakdown which would have made it very clear that Gator was not to be left alive in the endgame

Keep in mind that the last person I bolded was Gator. But then I rescinded because I liked the idea of going down in flames better

Honestly Wuf. The most fun I've ever had in a WW game was this one.. After I was outed. Trying to figure out how to actively battle against someone mentally in an attempt to sway a village even though they KNOW you're a wolf is a new kind of fun. I felt like it was you and I fencing a couple of times.

Well played sir... Well played.

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

Feb 13th.. We just killed JV Turns out Philly soulread our kill...

[2/13/2011 12:19:43 PM] Doug: Note to self, any time rilla mods one of these things, pick on the guys he puts in his flavor text.. WTF was that?

lol wut

The scene where I went in, and killed JV on my own by beating him to death. With more omniscience, than the normal village.. I felt like it made me look "wolfier"...

I told philly after he died that the reason we killed him is because he was one of only 2-3 people who would have saved JV as a distraction.

Interestingly my outing though deemed a bad play ended up giving Gator some cover. Kind of like bluffing with the best hand and getting called

Also, so many things had to go well for this to get pulled off haha. Thank god Ongbonga left me alive for a couple days.

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

Trying to figure out how to actively battle against someone mentally in an attempt to sway a village even though they KNOW you're a wolf is a new kind of fun. I felt like it was you and I fencing a couple of times.

Well you did a good job by getting everybody to keep talking about your list. I didn't even bother reading much of the ensuing dialogue because it couldn't be anything other than you trying to trick

Originally Posted by Donachello

I told philly after he died that the reason we killed him is because he was one of only 2-3 people who would have saved JV as a distraction.

Interestingly my outing though deemed a bad play ended up giving Gator some cover. Kind of like bluffing with the best hand and getting called

Also, so many things had to go well for this to get pulled off haha. Thank god Ongbonga left me alive for a couple days.

Next time you gotta play it hard though. Shoulda come out as the REAL seer IMO. Now that woulda been fun

Also, OngBong had me baffled. Not shooting DC seems weird, and revealing the vig role just made little sense. The only reason I can see for the real vig to come out is if he's on the verge of getting lynched. Even if he's a close but not cinched lynch target, he shouldn't come out IMO

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

The scene where I went in, and killed JV on my own by beating him to death. With more omniscience, than the normal village.. I felt like it made me look "wolfier"...

It was my intent the entire time that it should be a bad idea to infer from my writings anyone's role. I think I did well enough.

My thoughts:

It was a great game and one of the most enjoyable I've been in, mostly because the modding was absolutely fantastic. I'm not just referring to the descriptions and such, but the fact that he was actively involved and kept the game moving.

My Day 4 wolf suspects which I posted in the game thread were DanA, Keith, and Gator. Expected value of random guesses = 0.6905 wolves, I got 1 wolf correct, so that means I performed 44.8% better than random chance.

Great game all.

Tails from the rails. GG wolves. This is why we lynch gator early...

Oh, and Wuwugy, get over yourself

It's not like I didn't question why Gator was still alive, I just felt that the individuals that would get eaten was pretty well mapped out for the wolves. When philly kept bringing up the roles regarding the Angel and Vig, after Wuf stated not to a couple of times, I felt this made it relatively likely he was a special at the time. So the Wolves kill him, then Wuf, who names 2 confirmed Villagers (Fulksy and DTB). Then OngBonga comes out. Then Keith is almost always a villager given the Carroters debate. And the post that Gator linked of BigRed's almost certainly clears BR as ever being a wolf imo. Everyone knows that confirmed villagers are bad for the wolves in the end game, and there were just a lot of confirmed roles imo floating around. So when it came down to, while Gator being alive in the end game is suspicious in itself, I didn't think I could infer too much from it being there were so many obvious villagers floating around that the wolves needed to kill.

As well as the fact that if Gator wasn't the last wolf, leaving him alive for people to wonder why he is alive is also a pretty viable wolf strategy. In the end game is going to be an easy player to cast suspicion on.

And yes, at one point I really was very disinterested in the game. Up until Ragnar named me on the list, I really didn't care too much whether I died or not. I hadn't played WW in a while (>1 year), and I guess overestimated that I would have more fun when I signed up. Then regretted it relatively quickly, but didn't want to be a douche and get modkilled.

It may be really clear on the outside looking in that Gator was the final wolf, but being the one that has to make the decision... That shit clouds your judgment. I do feel pretty bad about it, as the village practically rocked the early game.

As a sidenote, has XTR ever posted in a single WW game he has signed up in? If not, motion to ban him from future games?

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

It was my intent the entire time that it should be a bad idea to infer from my writings anyone's role. I think I did well enough.

That is not to say that I thought your modding was done poorly Rilla. You did a stellar job. I just sorta felt singled out. It was a phantom worry though.

I loved the flavor text, I think you pushed when it needed to be pushed, and laid off the gas when it needed to be laid off. I respect your choice to keep the Deadz thread well moderated, and agreed with it.

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

The most surreal moment of the entire game I must say...

When DC outs himself as the fake vig, and then doesn't die to a bullet in the head that night. It was so... amazing..

Meh, leaving DC was fine, leaving you was not. I made some dumb mistakes for sure, but leaving DC woulda looked a lot better if I shot a wolf that night. I shoulda realised that leaving you and shooting two villagers would mean us having to waste a lynch on you, dan was right when he said my choice was plain wrong. But I stand by my decision to leave DC for a night, I thought it would be funny and I wasn't in danger of getting nommed.

I'm stunned the wolves won this one. It all went wrong after I died. I blame SDM.

Well played wolves, especially gator. I nearly shot you on that fateful night, I thought DC's outing was your idea to waste one of my bullets on him, thus decreasing the chances of me firing at you (which DTB, a conf villager was suggesting), but I decided that you were too much of a loss as a villager at that stage, and I figured, like wuf did, that you would get lynched. I admit I was too easily levelled, the fact DC was giving you heat when DTB was on your case made me think you were more likely a villager than my other shot targets at exactly the right time for you.

Nailing roid was satisfying, but then he was getting lynched regardless, I can't take any glory from that. I'll make up for my fuck-ups next game.

I didn't say it was bad, it was just surreal.

We actually had that whole night mapped out, and were in total agreement how it would play out, simply by virtue of you having 2 bullets. DC and I both catch bullets, and it's pretty much Game over.

Your choice to shoot the 2 wolfiest characters in the game could have made you a total hero.. It was my estimation that you capped who you capped because those two AND bigred were the only ones supporting the "there has to be at least one more wolf in Rag's list" theory... (acting on info they shouldn't have had) I was POSITIVE BR was the vig at that point..

You had greater odds of binking the wolves by not spending a bullet on me... so I think your play was fine.

Sadly you went from hero to zero in the space of 2 bullets

basically i ran bad that Dustin and donnie were wolves and knew id be capable of something like that, nobody else would give me that sort of credit in my opinion....either way gg and you guys def pwned me i still suck at this game.

Originally Posted by bigred

Tails from the rails. GG wolves. This is why we lynch gator early...

You got what you wanted, the village lost :P

Pretty shocked that Gator was the last wolf. I just didn't think he would think outing DC was a good strat. Wp sir never trusting you again.

Hoopy - low content, still alive = fail

Can't disagree with this. I don't usually make tons of posts but do normally get more involved in the later days, this time I was lazy and got lynched.

GG all.

wooza - gg Gator.

Still don't get how I was shot....

Urghhh.... I'm not usually one to trust gator in thr slightest, but he had me fooled until the very last minute. Don't see how your lynch of me wasn't looked at in more detail on the last day. But w/e.

Still quite thrown by the dc fake vig outting, surprised gator went with that, its what made you a likely villahwr for me.

And also, gator you totally were lurking in the forum until the last minute of the day to lynch me.

TBH DC outed himself as the vig before we really had a chance to discuss it. I went back and looked at our conversation and my only input when it was first mentioned was that he would get shot that night.

In the end though it turned out REALLY good so I can't complain about the move.

Originally Posted by StillDeadMoney

You got what you wanted, the village lost :P

hi5

Originally Posted by WillburForce

wooza - gg Gator.

Still don't get how I was shot....

Because the vig was a retard noob maybe?

Here's the message I sent to supa after I was deaded.

Ok now I'm dead I figured you'd appreciate me explaining why I shot you.

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Originally Posted by supahaole View Post
I don't get it. You're not going to devulge your wolf look ups? If not, why?

Roid turned out to be a wolf, so I wasn't barking up the wrong tree with this logic of people trying to get wuf to share his wolf finds.

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Nothing useful to say really (guess that makes me a useless asshole) other than I think WF is playing like he said he would so prolly isn't the best choice for a lynch right now.

This post made you both targets.

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Will the wolves please eat SDM?

Ok that made me laugh.

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supahaole goes flying up my list after this post.

Finding out you're a villager resulted in hoopy shooting up my suspect list.

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Hey wuf? Got any info?

Now I'm shooting you.

I lost my notes two days ago so I've just pulled that from glancing the thread, I'm sure there were a few other comments here and there that supported my choice.

Basically, I had a pool of 5 potential shots... you, wilbur, roid, gator and hoopy. I figured gator was too much of a loss at this stage as a villager, and roid was obviously getting lynched because he was a terrible wolf this game.

All in all, it was a bad read, but I wasn't just firing randomly to see what happened. I genuinely thought you were a wolf, and if I was wrong I had info from your death.

I shouldn't have come into the dead thread, I was a bit drunk and I assumed I was dead that night.

Oh, and one thing that freaked me out... you came and sat down at my table to play poker like ten minutes after I shot you. It was like I was playing against a ghost!

Sorry for the bad shot.

Ong.

I honestly thought I was hitting one wolf and one villager. I figured that if I found a wolf, I would have won it for the village, since rag and DC were exposed, and roid was sloppy this game (he was an excellent wolf at Christmas, I'm sure he agrees he was poor this time around).

Rag summed it up perfectly... from hero to zero, but does anyone expect different from the vig? My record is two villagers and a wolf, so I'm not bottom of the vig league!

If roid was a villager, I'd have taken the rap for the defeat, but I can't honestly blame myself for this, we were in awesome shape when I died. And didn't I ask the village to lynch gator after kfaess and hoopy?

Viscaro seemed an obvious villager to me. Not getting on stacks' case, I realise it's a lot more difficult when it's you who has to make the decision, and I hardly had a great game, but visc was hard on DC when it would've been a bad move, and his post after gator bolded him on final day looked so fucking villagery that I cheered thinking that gator had made a big mistake lunging in for visc. I guess gator knew stacks would go for visc, which is precisiely why he didn't nom either.

Yeah, gg, looking forward to the next already.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

I guess gator knew stacks would go for visc, which is precisiely why he didn't nom either.

You hit the nail on the head here. I knew I couldn't get into a long discussion with Visc and I both trying to explain why we were villagers so I gambled that Stacks was close enough at that point to bold viscaro.


Also, everyone keeps talking about how the village failed, but I think I deserve at least SOME props for helping the wolves win this thing despite us making some pretty big errors. I worked pretty hard at subtly trying to guide the village to specific lynches during the day and had the nightly noms mapped out to get to the final day like I did. That's not easy to do.

You guys have fun on the next one. I think I need to sit out 1 or 2 cuz this game burns me out.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

Also, everyone keeps talking about how the village failed, but I think I deserve at least SOME props for helping the wolves win this thing despite us making some pretty big errors.

Damn Gator are you really asking for praise? You're already the king of WW. Do you really want us to start tithing you too?

Originally Posted by StillDeadMoney

Do you really want us to start tithing you too?

Is that an option? Is 20% too much?

I'd just like to point out.. Viscaro's last post, I didn't see it until I had already put in my vote. I started my post, went and chilled to think on it a bit more, then came back and submitted it. Then noticed Viscaro's post =(. I can't say it would have changed my mind, but I would have definitely had more to contemplate. But honestly, I had already spent much more time on this game then I had intended to, and was just ready to get it over. I still put in a fair amount of thought about the lynch, just leveled myself. Everything I thought about a level too deep, and it turned Gator into the villager, and VIscaro into the wolf.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

Also, everyone keeps talking about how the village failed, but I think I deserve at least SOME props for helping the wolves win this thing despite us making some pretty big errors.

Well sure. The thing is that I'm pretty butthurt over this. I've been wanting to play seer forever because I felt I would do a great job, then when I had such success finding wolves and doing well, I started getting really excited. Obviously I have to point the fingers at other people now

What were some of those pretty big errors you think you guys made? I think you guys did quite well, especially due to finding philly when you did

Carroters was unavoidable because I was gonna look him up before the game even started. Ragnar played great, but I looked him up simply due to where he fit. I honestly expected him to be a villager. Remember I said I was looking for villagers who could also be hard to spot wolves. I didn't pay too much attention to what happened with DC except that he seemed to just be a target for so many reasons so he needed to die. I mainly wanted Roid to die because Keith pwned him. And while I felt like you personally stood out as a wolf in the late stages, I also thought you were doomed regardless, and given that, you played very well. I thought to myself if Gator is the wolf then he would want his last two eats to be Keith then bigred, which is what you did

I remember in the first game I played, I picked TLR off for two reasons: 1) he was still alive, and 2) he was taking too suspiciously active a role in the late-game village. The latter is something you didn't do this time. So you definitely played very well. I'm just butthurt over my thought that no matter how you played, you shouldn't have been left alive

Regardless, you did play quite well, SDM still woulda killt you tho

Originally Posted by wufwugy

Carroters was unavoidable because I was gonna look him up before the game even started.

Simply out of curiosity, why? I figured I'd be a fairly low priority look up for a seer so saw no problem with grabbing some limelight early on so as to start portraying a situation where I had to be a villager.

Originally Posted by Carroters

Simply out of curiosity, why? I figured I'd be a fairly low priority look up for a seer so saw no problem with grabbing some limelight early on so as to start portraying a situation where I had to be a villager.

The seer wants to make sure that his lookups are still alive after he comes out, that they give lots of info, are hard to read, are good players, etc. I thought you fit the bill perfectly. I was planning on coming out after just a couple days anyways. I honestly think you're the perfect seer lookup because of all the variables of how you give out lots of info and don't die easily and such. Also, I generally agree with you, so I thought it would be nice to know what you think without suspicion

Normally people say the seer should look up the highest priority players (like Gator), but I didn't agree because they're so likely to be eaten, and if they're wolves it shouldn't matter because they will eventually be lynched due to suspicion of being alive in the late game (go figure, huh)

Originally Posted by wufwugy

and if they're wolves it shouldn't matter because they will eventually be lynched due to suspicion of being alive in the late game (go figure, huh)

apparently not lol

wow been bust missed this, GG wolves, especially gator.

I don't get why everyone keep saying gator being alive at the end make him such an obvious lynch. I assumed the wolves were just killing the ldo villagers. Surely wolves need to prioritise outed villagers and people everyone thinks are 99% villagers such as keith and BR over even a good player like gator? Him still being alive didn't even factor into my decision to make him my main suspect last couple of days.

everyoen had said gator was a villager, he got cleared like 10 times....why would wolves not eat cleared great players who have voted successfully for all the wolves so far rofl....its not like he can even be like "well ive been way off the whole game maybe they are keeping me around cause im not on the right track" because he was right the whole game lol

Originally Posted by Viscaro

I don't get why everyone keep saying gator being alive at the end make him such an obvious lynch. I assumed the wolves were just killing the ldo villagers. Surely wolves need to prioritise outed villagers and people everyone thinks are 99% villagers such as keith and BR over even a good player like gator? Him still being alive didn't even factor into my decision to make him my main suspect last couple of days.

It was an issue until fulksy died. There were two more eats after that. Part of it is looking at who died instead of Gator, and how much worthless information he provided. I think the effect cascades as the pool gets tiny

Personally, I think it is reasonable to treat the highest profile characters like such: leave them alive long enough to find every last wolf, but if they don't, they're the last wolf. Some players are just simply really good at finding wolves. I think Gator is one of them, and so the fact that he was not finding the wolf and didn't even seem to be looking for one that intently....

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

everyoen had said gator was a villager, he got cleared like 10 times....why would wolves not eat cleared great players who have voted successfully for all the wolves so far rofl....its not like he can even be like "well ive been way off the whole game maybe they are keeping me around cause im not on the right track" because he was right the whole game lol

This cracked me up. I have to admit that finding the wolves this game was SOOOOO much easier than last game.

I feel like I contributed in that I mentioned philly's name first.

FUCK YO COUCH.

I love it because me and philly and DC were all wolves the previous game so I had a pretty decent idea of what level philly was thinking on which is why his name popped into my head. He was the perfect person to do something like that that would think it utterly hilarious (it was). I'm glad Ragnar posted our reactions lol, I'm pretty sure I was baf at the time so it blew my mind even more haha.

GG Gator.

Keith and wuf can go get a room and stroke each other's ego.

no thoughts on the necro or polter ideas?

I disagree with the premise that the last game favored the wolves by design, I think that assessment comes with the natural frustrations that villagers enjoy. I would like to see a game with more characters or some such in them, but I'll leave that for trip to figure out and set up.