The Christmas Stiffs thread (Congrats to the Wolves and SDM)

[OngBonga]

Sucks don't it. Especially since I think I know exactly what's going on

Fuck's sake I know what's going on, I'm dying to shout it out. I reckon I've been following the thread more than the majority of you, stupid villagers.

[JKDS]

While I am certainly happy to be dead, Im pretty sure OngBonga is a wolf.

[OngBonga]

While I am certainly happy to be dead, Im pretty sure OngBonga is a wolf.

Shit, I should be more subtle, shouldn't I?

[philly and the phanatics]

in b4 onga bonga is lynched every day 1 ever

[OngBonga]

Pfft that was happening anyway. I'll just fake out myself as a special and you'll have no choice but to wait. Got it all planned already.

[supa]

Noob specials suck. Lynch ongady bongady the seer day 1.

[JKDS]

Oh shit, rilla has power again. WHATS GONNA HAPPEN???

[a500lbgorilla]

[wufwugy]

Holy moley what a bunch of nancies left playing. If I was still alive we'd already be on the next day

And that's why you never wanna lynch wuf. I'll see through the bull, make shit happen, and if I'm a wolf the village is already doomed

[GatorJH]

Dear Supa,
GOTCHA!!!!

Love,
Gator

[supa]

Dear Gator,
Wolves are still gonna kick your ass!


Love,
Supa

[Hoopy]

1 down 5 to go.

Village can haz comeback?

[supa]

NO COMEBACK FOR YOU!

[a500lbgorilla]

Don't call it a comeback. They've been here for years.

[rong]

Dear Supa,
GOTCHA!!!!

Love,
Gator

[Carroters]

Bastarding wolves

GOGOGOGOGO Village!

[Warpe]

two retarded vigs in a row. what're the odds?

GOOOOOOO VILLAGE!!! (although it ain't lookin' good)

[GatorJH]

two retarded vigs in a row. what're the odds?

GOOOOOOO VILLAGE!!! (although it ain't lookin' good)

Sorry bud, I tried.

[JKDS]

What for you kill warpe? =(

[wufwugy]

Why didn't the wolves get to gat somebody?

[GatorJH]

they did. They gat carroters

[wufwugy]

Oh for some reason I thought both warpe and carroters were vigged. Didn't make any sense

[a500lbgorilla]

Hey, here's an idea. If you're alive - GTFO out of this thread. You can't post about the game while you're playing the game. Even if you wanted to hang out, you'd still have to be in-character in this thread, and there's no good reason for that.

This is not a message from the game mod, just a mention of the obvious.

[wufwugy]

abooborilla don't take no shit

[a500lbgorilla]

[Keith]

is that rilla seeking enlightenment .....or taking a shit?

[Warpe]

is that rilla seeking enlightenment .....or taking a shit?

Invisible dicks, imo.

[Ragnar4]

Invisible dicks, imo.

4 of them

probably.

[philly and the phanatics]

Invisible dicks, imo.

hahah i didnt get it at first....then i remembered some picture of palin that said that

[Carroters]

You retarded fucking morons.....

[Carroters]

That was actually the worst lynch I have ever seen.

[OngBonga]

This is amusing to watch. This village is so fucking dumb, they'll probably lynch a special to finish off the job.

[Warpe]

From 5 wolves and 21 villagers to 5 wolves and 6 villagers (in the morning).
Can you say 'owned'?

[rong]

Maybe we should gave kept Keith alive?

[bigred]

Something about live players talking about game itt

[fulksy]

and... dead.
damn, i really don't understand how i was the best target, especially after the little back and forth with supa. after he was a wolf I thought finally i'll be off most wolf lists, but sadly no

[a500lbgorilla]

It's ok though, you're with us now.

[Hoopy]

That lynch was really bad.

Welves everyware!

[Carroters]

and... dead.
damn, i really don't understand how i was the best target, especially after the little back and forth with supa. after he was a wolf I thought finally i'll be off most wolf lists, but sadly no

I've no fucking idea why they killed you. This is such fail.

[a500lbgorilla]

Well, for 5 of them, it's such succeed.

[JKDS]

This game was so frustrating when i was alive, now that im dead its awesome! So many lols to be had!

[StillDeadMoney]

More like 6 wolves and 20 villagers, two of them being functionally or practically immune to the seer.

[fulksy]

I've no fucking idea why they killed you. This is such fail.

do rooks usually level as much as i was accused of doing, i think every day i was accused of voting for or beakin with another wolf to throw people off, not really sure why. i tried in so many times to ask why they thought i would be the one wolf chirpin all the time.

[fulksy]

JKDS good thing you didn't have to waste the "trust me village card"

[Roid_Rage]

GG fishes.

[philly and the phanatics]

GG fishes.

!

[lolzzz_321]

Congrats to the Wolves. Hopefully next game the winners can get achievement badges in their profiles.

Roles revealed - http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post2004847

[wufwugy]

GJ

I think this game is evidence that a two team game is way too easy for the wolves to win. Maybe when wolves were a bunch of newbs would the village have some decent equity in a two team game, but when the wolves have a semblance of any idea of what to do, the village is fucked. Just brainstorming, I've come up with several dynamic strategies that I'm confident wolves could do to ensure a win. But without doing anything unique, the ability to hedge because of no competing baddy team is off the charts, and essentially the wolves don't give any decent tells because they're hedging.

You could have an RNG playing the wolves and I think they would win the vast majority of the time. Wolves simply spreading the suspicion makes any non-seer induced lynch or vig a shot in the dark


GJ though guys.

[Roid_Rage]

If only Supa coulda made it to the promised land with us.

[TLR]

GJ

I think this game is evidence that a two team game is way too easy for the wolves to win. Maybe when wolves were a bunch of newbs would the village have some decent equity in a two team game, but when the wolves have a semblance of any idea of what to do, the village is fucked. Just brainstorming, I've come up with several dynamic strategies that I'm confident wolves could do to ensure a win. But without doing anything unique, the ability to hedge because of no competing baddy team is off the charts, and essentially the wolves don't give any decent tells because they're hedging.

You could have an RNG playing the wolves and I think they would win the vast majority of the time. Wolves simply spreading the suspicion makes any non-seer induced lynch or vig a shot in the dark


GJ though guys.

If you look back at most WW games with 2 teams, the vast majority of the games is won by the villagers. It was much harder for a wolf team to win then a villager team to win, so dont draw conclusions based on one game.

[DropTheBanana]

Sick title edit

The back and forth in the wolf den about killing off SDM was soo lol

You were like our little wolf with a gun!

GG fellas

[philly and the phanatics]

SDM do you not realize now why you should not bold anyone no matter how sure you are when the village cannot afford to be wrong?

ZORMG redemption for last game feels sooooo gooot.

GG all....especially JV, we were gonna kill you the night before you died but i convinced TLR that we could get you strung up, and when that backfired and you nailed 4 of the 5 wolves in your list we were like FUCK we cant even kill him now....but we still did and it worked out fine. the end.


and rilla....it wasnt me on night 1 i promise

[TLR]

SDM do you not realize now why you should not bold anyone no matter how sure you are when the village cannot afford to be wrong?

ZORMG redemption for last game feels sooooo gooot.

GG all....especially JV, we were gonna kill you the night before you died but i convinced TLR that we could get you strung up, and when that backfired and you nailed 4 of the 5 wolves in your list we were like FUCK we cant even kill him now....but we still did and it worked out fine. the end.


and rilla....it wasnt me on night 1 i promise

Yeah, JV had this entire game figured out at one point during the last day

I was all for killing SDM last night, good thing philly convinced me not to

[wufwugy]

If you look back at most WW games with 2 teams, the vast majority of the games is won by the villagers. It was much harder for a wolf team to win then a villager team to win, so dont draw conclusions based on one game.

Well, then those wolf teams should be made stronger. I think that the current rendition of one wolf team is too strong. Simple randomness beats the village more than not, I bet. Unless it's normal for the seer to stick around for a while and get off several good names still living

JV did get close, but pretty much everybody else was way off. I think when against a good wolf team, putting the pieces together doesn't cut it because the wolves realize that making things not make sense is right.

Either way, I saw the village losing this game from the very beginning because I started realizing that without several seer lookups, the wolves could just be randomly generating strategies and the village wouldn't be doing any better

Maybe in the two games I've played the seer died abnormally fast. It really does seem to be more of a seer vs wolves thing than a village vs wolves thing. Maybe what I'm getting wrong is that the seer doesn't usually die so early and when he doesn't the village usually wins. I still hope there's a better way to form a village than that though


I would very much like to hear JV's thoughts on how he caught four of the wolves.

[rong]

Wow, major fail village. Well played wolves, we were completely owned.

[JKDS]

Gator night 1 Jackvance night 2 yaawn night 3 warpe was an obvious villager. That post philly kept brinigng up was a lookup post, it was the only one where i actually listed people in a single simple sentence, and was my first post of day 3. GG wolves, we suck

[Carroters]

Lol WP to philly in particular imo, slipped pretty majorly under everyone's radar.

Sigh at the village being totaly retarded on the last 2 days.

[a500lbgorilla]

Sick title edit

The back and forth in the wolf den about killing off SDM was soo lol

You were like our little wolf with a gun!

GG fellas

And the back and forth to kill me, HOW LOL WAS THAT ASSHOLE!?

j/k really good game by you guys. Once Trip shipped me the list I was lol-ing at how you guys were cross suspecting each other so well. I'd bet even if SDM fired all his bullets and nabbed 2 or 3 wolves (I'm not sure if he had 2 rounds or 3), the village would still be hard pressed to find the rest of them without JV.

Plus the whole lot of you were playing on invisible mode for most of the game.

[jackvance]

Lol damn 4/5.. and I just opened my text file where I had made another list (never publicly posted) to remove WBF which as I mentionned was very inconsistent towards the wolves and believe it or not, that list had philly and I had you all 5/5 lol.

I didn't think I'd live long so I didn't pay too much attention to the game at the start, but everyone grew suspicious of me (even though the seer looked me up, and even somewhat said so), no idea why, everyone afraid of me or something, but I guess that is what kept me in the game til almost the end.

Gotta learn to listen to me people . My last few posts before I died were in succession "lynch TLR", "yeah donachelo good too", "roid is a good lynch too". And what happens the next day? Insta-lose when they bold WBF...

Soooo SDM. Thanks for calling me "the best WW player ever". Although, you were kinda the worst.

[bigred]

I blame you guys. I was just here for the trollz

[GatorJH]

I was all for killing SDM last night, good thing philly convinced me not to

philly was your mvp then for two reasons. First, pm'ing two inactives made me think he we definitely a villager and secondly I had protected myself every night except last night. I protected SDM last night thinking we would need a bullet to have any shot at winning.

[GatorJH]

worst showing by villagers (or best wolf showing) ever imo.

[OngBonga]

AAAAAAhahahahahaha!!!! Oh that was fun to watch.

SDM, how can I say this without offending you... you really are shit at this game. Honestly, I love the snap bolding of a villager when there's only one more villager than wolf, pure genius. That goes out to BR too.

And post 712...

My 2 cents:

1. Last game I played when I was a wolf, we led a BW on an inactive wolf. One, because he wasn't contributing to our well-being and two, it would give us credit if we we looked like we were heading up the wolf BW. If we get a wolf with XTR I would guess, one or two wolves are pushing this lynch. Especialy since we have pointed out a few as "confirmed villagers".

2. We can never be 100% sure about JKDS' lookups since if he looked up Santa he would show as a reg villager. Not to discredit anyones opinions, but we shouldn't blindly follow people without some of our own reasoning to back it up. None of our theories have been spot on yet, so it's possible we're still off on why they recruited on Night 2.

I'm in no way accusing Warpe at all and have no reason to do anything but believe him atm, but more so just a PSA to remember that nothing is 100% (except our outed specials)

That was the point I decided Warpe wasn't Santa, DTB was.

Posts 655 and 656 were obviously wolves trying to cast suspicion on Warpe, saying that he was almost a confirmed villager was subtly implying that he was a Santa suspect without actually saying it, since everyone should realise Santa would appear a villager to the seer.

I was wrong about JV, I thought he was a wolf and Roid Rage was a villager, otherwise as soon as JDKS died and DTB confirmed to me he was Santa, not Warpe, I had it all worked out. Stupid villagers.

And on the last day, even I was shouting "FUCKING RESCIND YOU TWATS", knowing full well what would happen if either BR or SDM had bolded a villager.

SO when's the next game? Lynch BR and SDM already, they have to be punished for woeful endgame strrategy.

[OngBonga]

The JDKS nom and the following day's comments should have given you all the info you needed to win.

[BennyLaRue]

I didn't know this was the Special Olympics version of WW.

Great job, participants! You all get ribbons! You inspire me with your inspirationalness!

[OngBonga]

Oh, and Fulsky, you made a critical error in suggesting the village discuss and vote for who the vig shoots, that made it very easy for the wolves to throw suspicion your way. That mistake had me wondering if you were actually a wolf, you had to be lynched.

[GatorJH]

Oh, and Fulsky, you made a critical error in suggesting the village discuss and vote for who the vig shoots, that made it very easy for the wolves to throw suspicion your way. That mistake had me wondering if you were actually a wolf, you had to be lynched.

That plus the fact that he had a decent BW on him day 2 (which could explain the recruit that night) AND Supa's excellent job with going at him just hard enough the day before had me convinced he was a wolf, even though at the beginning of that day I had him firmly in my "most likely villager" list.

Definitely not my best game, but I will take solice in that I found one wolf and had 3 others (banana, donachello and roid) pegged by the end.

Not sure I could have ever voted for philly though. He was an excellent wolf.

[Keith]

well played wolves

Maybe we should gave kept Keith alive?

didn't comment on this when it was originally posted in the thread since it could have affected the game but look back at post 203 in the game

I'm just a normal villager as i am virtually every game. There are wolves on my wagon.

when you get it confirmed look at supa - theres no evidence at all that I could be santa so why even start making the allegation. As I already pointed out why would santa put himself at risk by rescinding dan and making himself more likely to end up lynched and losing the recruiting chance. If he's not a wolf he'll be a liability in the endgame.

look also at kingnat for his poosition on the wagon and go back and look at his night one speculation about why the wolves are taking so long . Is he trying to give himself some cover.

Carroters is a liability. His record is leading the village to defeat, eaten first night , and couldn't be bothered to post in the epic game.
to close the gapand since he could get banned again anyway rescind supa lynch roid

then i couldn't help laffing at wilbur trying to pull the "handing my vote over" strategy to prove he was a villager.Sure i did it as a villager last game, but GATOR now a confirmed villager knew full well that i also did it as a wolf in the recruiting game. I made sure that the people who knew i did it as a wolf were not alive when i did it last game otherwise it would have seemed really wolfy last game.

[Carroters]

I can't believe we got so badly fucked up by a wolf pack lead by stoners....next game I will have my revenge and hopefully be a wolf for once!

[OngBonga]

Stoners make good chess players.

[Donachello]

I can't believe we got so badly fucked up by a wolf pack lead by stoners....

HOLDING IT DOWN FOR THE POTS!

Definitely the best communicating wolf pack I have been a part of. We made every decision together

[philly and the phanatics]

I can't believe we got so badly fucked up by a wolf pack lead by stoners....next game I will have my revenge and hopefully be a wolf for once!

hahahha #pots for the WIIIIIIN

but yea gg, i knew PM'ing the villagers would just be so lulsy....

and also it was awesome how we had figured out the specials by like day 3....dranger had called sdm was the vig before he even came out lol (i thought it was carrots being that Keith died on day 1 lol)

Also one thing that was huge, is the fulksy thing happened after the recruiting, i was seriously crossing my fingers the whole day hoping that nobody would correct gator on that cause i knew he wouldnt be as stoked to lynch him.

great game, and it feels 123091x better after botching the last game. Hopefully next time ill be a villager, being a wolf takes up too much time.

[a500lbgorilla]

Something worth discussing: philly's pms to players as a villager. And beyond that living players posting in the dead thread.

Trip asked me if philly should be modkilled for breaking the rules and I said No. It was my belief at the time that his actions shouldn't necessarily cement him as a villager since myself as wolf would always try to act as a villager outside of the game thread to reinforce my character within it. I haven't used this tactic, but it leads me to completely ignore the actions of players with respect to the game outside of the game thread. So if I heard that philly had pm'ed people outside of the game, I would scoff, ignore, and move on.

It is my belief that a wolf shouldn't be allowed to bolster their role as a villager by acting like one in the dead thread or acting like one in PMs (something that has been outlawed). And since a wolf shouldn't be allowed to act like a villager, and we'll all be wolves one game, villagers shouldn't be allowed to act like villagers.

Should a rule be made that players who are alive must not post in any thread but the game thread in the werewolf forum?.. outside of the forum, we're all just degenerates. Or should we agree that each player recognize that anything posted by an active player outside of the game thread should be ignored?.. like a jury being ordered to disregard a witness' statement.

[philly and the phanatics]

Should be made a rule that players who are alive must not post in any thread but the game thread in the werewolf forum; outside of the forum, we're all just degenerates. Or should we agree that each player recognize that anything posted by an active player outside of the game thread should be ignored?.. like a jury being ordered to disregard a witnesses' statement.

yea i agree,

and i was about to shit myself when trip was like "well then ur gonna get modkilled" lol

[GatorJH]

It is my belief that a wolf shouldn't be allowed to bolster their role as a villager by acting like one in the dead thread or acting like one in PMs (something that has been outlawed). And since a wolf shouldn't be allowed to act like a villager, and we'll all be wolves one game, villagers shouldn't be allowed to act like villagers.

IMO the timing of this pm is what made it a deliberate attempt by a wolf to look villagery. The village was about to loose two villagers to a modkill and pm'ing them is not generally something a wolf would do.

I think he should have been modkilled and I think that, in the future, anyone who breaks this rule should immediately be modkilled.