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Originally Posted by vqc
Originally Posted by soft
I disagree with all who thinks you have to go into push or fold mode when you have 10xbb left, this is still a good stack when playing turbos. If you dont get the chance to double up before the blinds increase I have seen a pattern in the big stacks play. The big stacks seems to call with less good hands to my all-in when 4-5 left, they are just dying to kick me out and when I get a hand like AJ+ im all-in and I often see them call with hands like K9 A3, and this is just inviting to double me up.
Yesterday I played a Turbo, we are 3 ppl left (this is a shorthanded sng 5 ppl) the blinds were 150-300 and I had 1700 chips left, I stayed patient and only pushed with Ax and K9+ and keeped my stack at 17oo for 1,5 min or so, the other guys had 2800 and 3000, the guy with 2800 aparently thinks the same as many others "that you have to push with less than 10xbb" he pushed with A30 and got called at the 3000 stack that showed AKs and he lost, and im in the money. I now started pushing with more hands and got called 2 times with hands that were worse than mine even I one of the times only were 56% favorite and I ended up winning that SnG. This tells me that you dont have to push with less than 10xbb, its stupid.
I once had a text file with Sheetsworlds Step Higher $5000 buy-in Handhistory I found somewhere on google, but I cant seem to find it anymore, but it had some very interresting play that is a lot like the situations youre in, in a Turbo with sky high blinds and small stacks.
If anyone here can find that Sheetsworld Handhistory it would be cool
the blinds are
150/300
u have 2400 chips
u raise to 900 with AJo
someone who covers u shoves
ur pot odds are now 3300:1500 are u going to fold?
if ur answer is no,
then u probably shouldve shoved int he first place.
this is wat we mean by push fold.
Are u suggesting that the guy with 2800 chips should have raised to 900? to 1200? 1000? Limped?
That is a question that can be asked for regular SNG's as well as Turbo's. The big difference though is the rate at which the blinds go up and how that affects when you go into push/fold mode.
I certainly agree that you don't need to go into push/fold mode at 10xBB in a regular SNG because you will see more hands before the blinds go up again. However, in a turbo I don't think you can be as patient.
I compared two tournaments, one regular and one turbo, and show below how many hands were played at each level for both tournaments.
Level Turbo Hands Regular Hands Blinds and Antes
1 4 10 10/20
2 6 9 15/30
3 6 10 25/50
4 5 18 50/100
5 7 10 75/150
6 9 11 100/200
7 9 15 100/200 25
8 9 22 200/400 50
9 12 (heads up) 21 (4 players) 300/600 50
It's not hard to notice that once the blinds get higher the amount of hands you get to play per blind level go up dramatically in a regural SNG, but not so in a Turbo.
The reason I point that out is that this is why many people (and I am one of them) agree that you can't wait on Ax or K9+ type hands to push in a turbo game or you will die a slow death.
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