Tricky AA Hand

***** Hand History for Game 3117322488 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:17840423 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Tuesday, November 29, 20:40:02 EDT 2005
Table Table 71465 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: Kev1016 ( $755 )
Seat 8: BANDA1 ( $2325 )
Seat 7: Hill72 ( $715 )
Seat 4: gt281h80 ( $707 )
Seat 6: MZachy ( $1838 )
Seat 2: berg123123 ( $1070 )
Seat 3: tteykl ( $590 )
Trny:17840423 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to gt281h80 [ Ac Ad ]
berg123123 folds.
tteykl calls [30].
gt281h80 raises [90].
MZachy folds.
Hill72 calls [90].
BANDA1 folds.
Kev1016 folds.
tteykl folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ks, Ts, Qs ]
gt281h80 bets [100].
Hill72 calls [100].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ]
gt281h80 ???

Ill post results laster

not too tricky, i think u have him beat at this point with just a call... kinda small bet actually . You should throw a big raise out on the turn and see how he plays back at you to really kn ow...

Does this guy play tight always? what reads u have on him?

I'd bump the PFR up to 120 with a limper ahead of you.

Also, put out a 3/4 pot bet on the flop - if you get smooth called, it's down to reads. No reads? I'd be inclined to check/fold this.

question to everyone

range of hands on the villian and given that range, do you even bother open betting?

It's tough without reads to put opp on a range

Originally Posted by lowBoy

It's tough without reads to put opp on a range

wat would a LAG have
wat would a TAG have
wat would a generic 11 player have.

Good question VQ.
Preflop, AXs, AT+o, JJ-55, KQ, suited connectors, lesser chance of QQ+ or 44-, KJ,

If he's suited not spades, then no point in betting because he can't call and can't catch up. Lower pairs... you run the chance of him catching a set if you check.

If he's suited spades, you are drawing to runner-runner boat.

You are a head of a single spade, or like KJo (barely).

I think the proper move is to check flop and turn, small bet river if no draws hit.
Only risk is that baby pair checks along and hits a set...

Problem with this hand is that you don't have chips to screw around with.

Obviously if an A or J (not spade) hits, you are allowed to bet.

That being said, the open bet here is not terrible, because that flop is scary for him, too.

Another possibility is to check flop and push turn if no spade. Pray he doesn't have 2-pair (which he should have bet/raised on the flop if he did)

Originally Posted by zenbitz

Preflop, AXs, AT+o, JJ-55, KQ, suited connectors, lesser chance of QQ+ or 44-, KJ,

Obviously if an A or J (not spade) hits, you are allowed to bet.

If you put your opp on JJ preflop, would the Ace on the river be something that you would be on.

What about JJ with the J of spades as a possibility postflop?

Tony

JsJx was included in the hand ranges. Second nut flush draw with a marginal pair sounds like a push for most people.

I agree with Zenbitz's range, and the reason to open bet is because it is a scary board and we have the initiative.

Your flop bet sucks. You still need another street to get the information you need.

-'rilla

I fell into something similar just last night. I held AA and the flop came TJQ (though mine was a rainbow) with a better behind me. I tried to push him out on the flop, but with no success. A harmlesss 5 on the river, and he goes all-in. I had too good of odds to fold, so I called to see his K5 for an outside straight draw he was pushing all the way.

The problem I see is that you can't rule out any and all pocket pairs calling you preflop. Therefore open betting is necessary to find out. Any call brings your opponent from being seriously behind to likely ahead on that board. The only possible calls I see as behind are Kx Js - Tx Js - Qx Js X - Js open ended Royal draws. A 9x 9s might also hang around.

I check this turn, though as Rilla said I would have bet more on the flop to measure my opponents committment.