SB keeps 3betting

6max large field MTT on Stars

This is the 3rd time that villain has 3bet from the SB when I have opened from the button. He was running 25/25/inf with a 17% 3bet and 0% fold to 3bet, but over a very short sample size.

What is the best pre-flop line to take here. What types of hands would you 4bet with? call? fold? Do you modify your btn open range against this type of villain?

Right now I am struggling with knowing when to push the envelope and when not to and it is these types of situations that are frustrating me.


No Limit Holdem Tournament
$10+$1
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG (3175)
UTG+1 (3410)
CO (8130)
Hero (BTN) (2445)
SB (2305)
BB (7585)

Blinds: 15/30

Pre-flop: (45, 6 players) Hero is BTN
3 folds, Hero raises to 75, SB raises to 240, 1 fold, 165 to Hero (2,370)?

way to early to start raising with K9 off from the button just fold it pre...
Its a clear fold after he raises, say you hit a king on the flop what are you going to do, raise his cont. bet with a 9 kicker without any idea of his holding

fold > call> 4bet

I agree that its a bit early to open K9o from the btn if you have a villain 3betting this aggressively in sb. 4 betting him here seems bad because you have a small sample of stats and are basically committing your stack w/K9o early in a tourney without enough reason to do so.

I would probably adjust by making my range tight enough that I could 4 bet shove him more often than not if if he kept it up. So open maybe like 22+, A5s+, ATo+, KTs+, KTo+, QTs+, QJo and 4bet shove the top 70% of those hands, take a flop with the next 25% and fold only the bottom 5%.

"Too early" to raise K9 from the button what does that even mean? You have the button, time to use it. Early on is when you want to play lots of hands in position against all of the terrible players who will probably be out by the first break. When I raise here I don't mind if the blinds fold, but I don't mind if they call either, they're just two more playas ready to get outplayed.

Now with that said, if the SB is a 3-betting maniac, yes I would go ahead and open fold your K9o to him just this once...but it would pain me to do it! Obv fold now.

Originally Posted by mcatdog

"Too early" to raise K9 from the button what does that even mean?.

Isn't there some "math" out there that suggests that your chips are worth more in your stack at this point in the blind levels of the tournament along with your compared stack to the blind levels.

IE the bigger your stack in comparison to the blind levels the greater risk you presnet to yourself when mucking around unless actually raising with premium hands.

Leading us to the argument that there's a certain point where if your stack is big enough the only hand you should ever play is aces..

K9o mathematically falls below that line at this point of the tournament where the risk versus reward comparison is unfavorable.

I think *that* is what he means by "too early".

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

Originally Posted by mcatdog

"Too early" to raise K9 from the button what does that even mean?.

Isn't there some "math" out there that suggests that your chips are worth more in your stack at this point in the blind levels of the tournament along with your compared stack to the blind levels.

IE the bigger your stack in comparison to the blind levels the greater risk you presnet to yourself when mucking around unless actually raising with premium hands.

No? There's not much risk at all since it's not like we're going to play for stacks if we just flop top pair. I think you need to just stop worrying about "risk" completely and just focus on making +EV plays, this idea of risk is poisoning your game.

The concept of "too early," in general, is something I don't get. I mean, at extremes I can understand it...with 100 BBs and a $45 pot, yeah, it might be too early to get it in preflop with AK vs. an UTG raiser. To me it's true that we want to play tight early on in most cases but yeah, playing pots with position vs. bad players is almost always a profitable situation.

Thats more an STT thing Ragnar. Get to the bubble of an STT with 1500 chips and you're probably not in bad shape, get to the bubble of an MTT with 1500 chips and you're not looking good at all.