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QTs 2nd pair HU facing river value bet

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  1. #1

    Default QTs 2nd pair HU facing river value bet

    Villain is a reg who has been pretty aggro with the minbets. I thought about 3betting PF but I would have to fold to a 4bet and that seems like a waste. Villain has been 3betting me some so I would have to think a weak 4bet is in his ability.

    The turn is a lame bet by me since I never have a 2 in my range but I will have an A with this line some % and it works kind of like a blocker. I checked the river because wtf can he call the turn bet with that I am ahead of. Figured it made more sense to check and keep his bluff range in but idk what to think when he makes this bet.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 12 Tournament, 2500/5000 Blinds 500 Ante (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB (t141194)
    Hero (BB) (t128806)

    Hero's M: 15.15

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, Q
    SB bets t10000, Hero calls t5000

    Flop: (t21000) 4, 4, A (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB checks

    Turn: (t21000) 2 (2 players)
    Hero bets t12500, SB calls t12500

    River: (t46000) Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB bets t25000, Hero ???
  2. #2
    how often is he raising pre and how often does he check top pair after raising pre? would he always bet a flush draw on the flop? would he bet river with pairs JJ- (you can have an ace after the turn bet but not after checking river)?

    c-c on river seems standardish.
    Last edited by baudib; 09-14-2010 at 02:57 AM.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
  3. #3
    looks good, call
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    how often is he raising pre and how often does he check top pair after raising pre? would he always bet a flush draw on the flop? would he bet river with pairs JJ- (you can have an ace after the turn bet but not after checking river)?

    c-c on river seems standardish.
    Villain was minraising a ton, probably around 3/4 his option when unopened. No idea about checking back top pair hands. He has been aggro so I would think betting the flop is more his style. However, villain is a thinking player and he knows I am as well so checking makes sense logically some % of the time.

    I would also think yes on betting the draws since I am going to be repping the turn a lot and he should know this.
  5. #5
    I'd check and call as well. He could have checked behind with an ace on the flop, but it's just as likely that he's read our turn stab as weakness and is making a stab of his own after we check the river.
    Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
  6. #6
    Results:

    I did end up calling and villain showed A9o. Do we like his check on the flop with two hearts?
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by revolvingiris View Post
    Results:

    I did end up calling and villain showed A9o. Do we like his check on the flop with two hearts?
    In heads up poker the chance that your single opponent has two suited cards that match the board are much, much smaller than in a full ring multiway pot. Protecting your hand from draws isn't nearly as important.

    Most of the time his A9 is so far ahead of your holding that he's right in letting you catch a little piece to be able to call a bet. On that board any card above a four could give you second pair (with no kicker problems due to the pair and ace on board) that would let you pay off a bet or even two.
    Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
  8. #8
    With how shallow you are I think he's way better off cbetting flop and trying to get stacks in. Your probably reraising with AT+ and when he checks back the perfect cbetting board, its easy to guess that he often has showdown value. I think he will enduce bluffs much more often by just cbetting (assuming you had similar thoughts about his range)

    The only bluffs I see him having on river are some of the better Kx's he decided to bluffcatch but now are bluffing to get you off Qx? Or maybe medium pairs? He really shouldn't be worried about that river so if villain is bluffcatching it doesn't make a ton of sense to turn a hand into a bluff. I'm thinking river should be a fold
    Last edited by fjuanl; 09-15-2010 at 02:37 PM.
  9. #9
    Fjuanl, you think villain would only bet the river with 4x and Ax?
  10. #10
    Ax, 4x and a rare Kx or mid/low pair like I mentioned
  11. #11
    he could also have hearts or just have been calling to try and hit something or bluff the river. it's closer than I was thinking though since we only chop with Qx, i play too much omaha.

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