Operation- ABC Poker

Originally Posted by Zee Devee

Originally Posted by gop2004

Is the play at Stars really that insane or is this an elaborate joke? I'm serious! I understand you're only posting a selection of hands but it seems unbelievably loose/wild even if this is turbos. I play the 5.5o on UB often(it jumps from there to 10+1) and even bubble/endgame play is nothing like this. My god! It amazes me that there could be so much difference in similar levels at 2 sites.
That being said, you appear to be winning, at least recently, so congrats. From your HH it looks like postflop play is basically anathema to everyone on that site. I bet if you worked on your postflop play and looked for situations to use it you could cut your variance and win more. I just skimmed most of the HH and have no detailed or scientific analysis but wow! what a ride!

Can you elaborate on this a little more? What makes it so loose wild? Is it the whole concept of push/fold poker? Or the fact that I am playing donks who are actually that loose/wild?

Also, what do you recommend me do to improve my postflop play?

I hope you didn't take my comments as a critique of your play. It wasn't intended that way. You play a very different style from me but you look like you're getting in good plenty. It was more directed at the frequency of calls to your pushes. I typically don't see push/fold play at UB until in the money. The bubble usually happens before the blinds are that huge Therefore M is less of a factor.

As to the post flop comment, I'm still working that angle myself. I'm just saying that it looks like in the tourneys you've posted everyone is playing push/fold. If thats where they're comfortable, consider making them uncomfortable by doing something else. If you have position and a hand not worth a push, call a raise and see what develops. Limp and RR with a premium holding. Stop and go. Throw more than one pitch in other words. Making a play that costs a few hundred of your chips but makes them wonder what the hell ur up to can be worth more than getting them to fold.
I hit a stretch about a month ago where I could make the $$ almost at will but could not close out and get a win. Then I started trying more trickery in the endgame. I immediately started winning a percentage of the tourneys where I was 2 or 3 before. I'll post a HH when I have something concrete for you.

I am starting to hate myself. Every time I play I make stupid shit that I know is bad the second after I hit the button. I need to calm down when I play and just play solid poker. Fuck.
[\rant over]

Can anyone find a spot where I can play here. With its-$$-de being so laggy I couldn't find a spot to shove here until I hit a wall.

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---Tournament Summary---
$0 SNG: Finished 0/0 for $0
Data for 57 hands.
You played 8 hands (14.04%)
You raised 4 times preflop (7.02%)

7 5 BU (M = 50.00; f+f+c+f+f+f+F)
A 6 CO (M = 50.00; f+c+f+f+f+F)
2 Q CO-1 (M = 50.00; c+f+f+f+F)
T 5 MP2 (M = 50.00; f+r+f+F)

-----Hand 1-----
Hero's M = 50.00
PokerStars Game #11182157418: Tournament #56731510, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/07/28 - 14:25:30 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.2w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '56731510 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Zee Deevee (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: snatchpoit (1460 in chips)
Seat 4: {MAC}-523 (3000 in chips)
Seat 5: TM SiKTight (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: itz-$$-de (1420 in chips)
Seat 7: Jayou (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: Mabbs420 (1650 in chips)
Seat 9: mentr (1500 in chips)
itz-$$-de: posts small blind 10
Jayou: posts big blind 20
Preflop: Zee Deevee dealt Q Q
Mabbs420: folds
mentr: folds
Zee Deevee: raises 40 to 60
snatchpoit: folds
{MAC}-523: folds
TM SiKTight: folds
itz-$$-de: folds
Jayou: folds
Zee Deevee collected 50 from pot
Zee Deevee: doesn't show hand


9 Q UTG+1 (M = 51.00; f+F)
T 7 UTG (M = 51.00; F)
7 K BB (M = 34.00; f+f+f+r+f+f+f+F)
8 T SB (M = 33.33; f+f+f+f+f+r+F)
Q 4 BU (M = 33.00; r+r+f+f+f+F)

-----Hand 2-----
Hero's M = 33.00
PokerStars Game #11182219979: Tournament #56731510, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/07/28 - 14:29:14 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.2w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '56731510 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Zee Deevee (1485 in chips)
Seat 3: snatchpoit (1415 in chips)
Seat 4: {MAC}-523 (3060 in chips)
Seat 5: TM SiKTight (1260 in chips)
Seat 6: itz-$$-de (1530 in chips)
Seat 7: Jayou (1470 in chips)
Seat 8: Mabbs420 (1620 in chips)
Seat 9: mentr (1660 in chips)
{MAC}-523: posts small blind 15
TM SiKTight: posts big blind 30
Preflop: Zee Deevee dealt K J
itz-$$-de: calls 30
Jayou: folds
Mabbs420: folds
mentr: folds
Zee Deevee: calls 30
snatchpoit: folds
{MAC}-523: folds
TM SiKTight: checks
Flop: 3 T 5
TM SiKTight: checks
itz-$$-de: checks
Zee Deevee: checks
Turn: 2
TM SiKTight: checks
itz-$$-de: bets 60
Zee Deevee: folds
TM SiKTight: folds
itz-$$-de collected 105 from pot
itz-$$-de: doesn't show hand


9 2 MP2 (M = 32.33; f+f+f+F)
4 T MP1 (M = 32.33; c+f+F)
6 2 UTG+1 (M = 32.33; f+F)
3 7 UTG (M = 19.40; F)
T J BB (M = 19.40; f+c+f+r+f+f+f+F)
J 9 SB (M = 18.73; f+f+r+f+f+f+F)
3 5 BU (M = 18.40; f+f+f+f+f+F)
4 A CO (M = 18.40; f+r+f+f+F)
A 6 MP2 (M = 18.40; f+f+f+F)
3 4 MP1 (M = 18.40; f+f+F)
8 2 UTG+1 (M = 9.20; f+F)
K 3 UTG (M = 9.20; F)
J 9 BB (M = 9.20; f+f+f+f+f+r+f+F)

-----Hand 3-----
Hero's M = 8.53
PokerStars Game #11182399339: Tournament #56731510, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2007/07/28 - 14:39:20 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.2w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '56731510 1' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Zee Deevee (1280 in chips)
Seat 3: snatchpoit (1285 in chips)
Seat 4: {MAC}-523 (2370 in chips)
Seat 5: TM SiKTight (1380 in chips)
Seat 6: itz-$$-de (2465 in chips)
Seat 7: Jayou (1550 in chips)
Seat 8: Mabbs420 (1610 in chips)
Seat 9: mentr (1560 in chips)
Zee Deevee: posts small blind 50
snatchpoit: posts big blind 100
Preflop: Zee Deevee dealt 8 K
{MAC}-523: folds
TM SiKTight: folds
itz-$$-de: folds
Jayou: folds
Mabbs420: folds
mentr: folds
Zee Deevee: raises 1180 to 1280 and is all-in
snatchpoit: folds
Zee Deevee collected 200 from pot
Zee Deevee: doesn't show hand


Q 8 BU (M = 9.20; f+r+f+f+f+F)
7 Q CO (M = 9.20; r+f+f+f+F)
A 6 MP1 (M = 9.20; f+f+F)
8 5 UTG+1 (M = 9.20; f+F)
7 2 UTG (M = 6.13; F)

-----Hand 4-----
Hero's M = 6.13
PokerStars Game #11182463452: Tournament #56731510, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/07/28 - 14:43:03 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.2w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '56731510 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Zee Deevee (1380 in chips)
Seat 3: snatchpoit (1135 in chips)
Seat 4: {MAC}-523 (2220 in chips)
Seat 6: itz-$$-de (4295 in chips)
Seat 7: Jayou (1400 in chips)
Seat 8: Mabbs420 (1435 in chips)
Seat 9: mentr (1635 in chips)
mentr: posts small blind 75
Zee Deevee: posts big blind 150
Preflop: Zee Deevee dealt A 2
snatchpoit: folds
{MAC}-523: folds
itz-$$-de: calls 150
Jayou: folds
Mabbs420: folds
mentr: folds
Zee Deevee: checks
Flop: A 5 2
Zee Deevee: checks
itz-$$-de: checks
Turn: 6
Zee Deevee: bets 300
itz-$$-de: folds
Zee Deevee collected 375 from pot
Zee Deevee: doesn't show hand


T 4 SB (M = 7.13; f+r+f+f+f+F)
3 9 BU (M = 6.80; c+f+f+f+F)
7 7 CO (M = 6.80; p+f+f+F)
7 4 MP1 (M = 6.80; f+f+F)
A 3 UTG+1 (M = 6.80; f+F)
K 8 UTG (M = 6.80; F)
3 7 BB (M = 6.80; c+f+f+f+p+f+F)
K 8 SB (M = 4.60; f+r+f+f+f+F)
2 K BU (M = 4.27; c+f+f+p+F)

-----Hand 5-----
Hero's M = 4.27
PokerStars Game #11182562849: Tournament #56731510, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2007/07/28 - 14:48:39 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.2w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '56731510 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Zee Deevee (1280 in chips)
Seat 3: snatchpoit (1510 in chips)
Seat 4: {MAC}-523 (1795 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: itz-$$-de (4095 in chips)
Seat 7: Jayou (1400 in chips)
Seat 8: Mabbs420 (1585 in chips)
Seat 9: mentr (1835 in chips)
{MAC}-523: posts small blind 100
itz-$$-de: posts big blind 200
Preflop: Zee Deevee dealt 9 K
Jayou: folds
{MAC}-523 has returned
Mabbs420: folds
mentr: folds
Zee Deevee: raises 1080 to 1280 and is all-in
snatchpoit: folds
{MAC}-523: folds
itz-$$-de: folds
Zee Deevee collected 500 from pot
Zee Deevee: doesn't show hand


Q 9 MP1 (M = 5.27; f+f+F)
6 3 UTG+1 (M = 5.27; f+F)
7 4 UTG (M = 5.27; F)
J Q BB (M = 5.27; f+c+f+f+p+f+F)
3 7 SB (M = 4.60; f+r+f+f+f+F)
2 J BU (M = 4.27; f+p+f+f+F)
J 9 CO (M = 4.27; p+f+f+F)

-----Hand 6-----
Hero's M = 2.84
PokerStars Game #11182635194: Tournament #56731510, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/07/28 - 14:52:38 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.2w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '56731510 1' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Zee Deevee (1280 in chips)
Seat 4: {MAC}-523 (1195 in chips)
Seat 6: itz-$$-de (4495 in chips)
Seat 7: Jayou (3210 in chips)
Seat 8: Mabbs420 (1785 in chips)
Seat 9: mentr (1535 in chips)
All players post the ante 25
itz-$$-de: posts small blind 100
Jayou: posts big blind 200
Preflop: Zee Deevee dealt 7 8
Mabbs420: folds
mentr: folds
Zee Deevee: raises 1055 to 1255 and is all-in
{MAC}-523: folds
itz-$$-de: folds
Jayou: folds
Zee Deevee collected 650 from pot
Zee Deevee: doesn't show hand


J T MP1 (M = 3.79; f+F)
K 6 UTG (M = 3.73; F)

-----Hand 7-----
Hero's M = 3.68
PokerStars Game #11182658833: Tournament #56731510, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/07/28 - 14:53:58 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.2w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '56731510 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Zee Deevee (1655 in chips)
Seat 4: {MAC}-523 (1120 in chips)
Seat 6: itz-$$-de (4770 in chips)
Seat 7: Jayou (2835 in chips)
Seat 8: Mabbs420 (1860 in chips)
Seat 9: mentr (1260 in chips)
All players post the ante 25
mentr: posts small blind 100
Zee Deevee: posts big blind 200
Preflop: Zee Deevee dealt 4 3
{MAC}-523: calls 200
itz-$$-de: calls 200
Jayou: folds
Mabbs420: folds
mentr: folds
Zee Deevee: checks
Flop: 7 T A
Zee Deevee: checks
{MAC}-523: checks
itz-$$-de: bets 400
Zee Deevee: folds
{MAC}-523: folds
itz-$$-de collected 850 from pot
itz-$$-de: doesn't show hand


8 3 SB (M = 3.18; r+f+f+f+F)
2 3 BU (M = 2.90; f+p+f+F)
A 5 CO (M = 3.01; p+F)
4 3 UTG (M = 2.95; F)

-----Hand 8-----
Hero's M = 2.89
PokerStars Game #11182704146: Tournament #56731510, $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2007/07/28 - 14:56:31 (ET)
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.2w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '56731510 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Zee Deevee (1230 in chips)
Seat 4: {MAC}-523 (495 in chips)
Seat 6: itz-$$-de (6720 in chips)
Seat 7: Jayou (2410 in chips)
Seat 9: mentr (2645 in chips)
All players post the ante 25
mentr: posts small blind 100
Zee Deevee: posts big blind 200
Preflop: Zee Deevee dealt 2 5
{MAC}-523: folds
itz-$$-de: calls 200
Jayou: folds
mentr: calls 100
Zee Deevee: checks
Flop: K 2 K
mentr: checks
Zee Deevee: bets 1005 and is all-in
itz-$$-de: calls 1005
mentr: folds
Turn: 3
River: T
Showdown:
Zee Deevee: shows 2 5 (two pair, Kings and Deuces)
itz-$$-de: shows A A (two pair, Aces and Kings)
itz-$$-de collected 2735 from pot



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I think I am playing poorly because I am in the midset of being in a downswing and I am playing too fast.

Does anyone know how I can slow down my plays and think longer?

After 4 weeks I am at the same place I started. I think I am going to take a break for a little while from poker, I might show up here a few times, but overall just chill out and calm down.

My play has gotten substantially worse and I need to clear my head and get back to ABC poker. I am going to read more theory on this game, as well as HOH and TOP. When I come back I think I will be ready to kick some ass.

I don't know when I will come back, but it will probably be less than a month I am guessing.

Later.