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    Default [Hand of the Week by donkbee] Week 2 - AJ in SB with 20 BBs (Part 2 Released!)

    Here is the next segment in our Hand of the Week series.

    Link to the video below:
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    Part I - Week 2A - AJ in SB with 20 BBs in an MTT (Preflop)

    Description: In the newest Hand of the Week segment, donkbee looks at a blind battle - AJo in the SB against an unknown BB with around a 20 BB stack. What is the optimal play when folded to Hero? She approaches different raise sizes and how your position should affect your preflop action.
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    Part II - Week 2B - AJ in SB with 20 BBs in an MTT (Postflop)

    Description: In Part II in Week 2 of "Hand of the Week", Courtney Gee now looks at how to play AJ blind vs blind after the flop. A lot of your actions depend on how to build the pot correctly and how your bet size makes the hand easier to play. What do you think of her play on this board?
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    Please post any questions, comments or feedback in this thread.

    Thanks!
    Last edited by givememyleg; 03-02-2012 at 07:36 PM.
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    404 issues, gimme a second.
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    folks, we're having some serious technical issues, this may take a bit longer.

    edit - all systems go
    Last edited by givememyleg; 02-29-2012 at 04:33 PM.
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    Here is a hand history so that drmcboy can follow along this time

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 3500/7000 Blinds 875 Ante (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Button (t136988)
    Hero (SB) (t126192)
    BB (t148584)
    UTG (t117867)
    UTG+1 (t81755)
    MP1 (t170142)
    MP2 (t71292)
    CO (t180895)

    Hero's M: 7.21

    Preflop: Hero is SB with A, J
    6 folds, Hero...?
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    In the video I mentioned that I would rather raise 3x than min raise, but I now I think I take that back. A 3x raise seems so huge to me right now. Don't really have time to think about it more but maybe I will next time I come to the thread.
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    2.3-2.4x/call seems far better than minraise and 3x

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    yeah that's what I think too
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    once again this depends on reads which we should have a decent amount of since this person is the one on our left and we are stealing as much as we possibly can.
    mr if they are 3b/folding. mr if they are folding > 62.5% is going to profitable with atc. and we don't really care if they are flatting when we have AJo although if they are really tough postflop open jamming could be better v someone like this.

    If they are flatting a tonne and defending > 62.5% then we are better off raising bigger. Anywhere from 2.5-3x. 3x is asking to get shipped on which is just fine with our hand and we should also 3x stuff we think is still +eV to open if we aren't getting jammed on enough and we should just limp stuff like T9o v this player if they aren't folding to minraises as this keeps in all there complete trash that we are crushing but we pretty much get raised by everything that crushes us or w/e.

    I'd default to minraising here and would pretty much never jam/limp(with this hand) and eventually may adjust to a bigger size. This stack depth is really interesting to play with our entire range because v some villains it'll be correct to minopen 100% but others we should only be opening like 40%(this was wrong, unexploitable jamming is 53% in this situation so v the tough villains we should probably be shipping this and being happy with our play)<---although this is wrong if they call too much obviously we should just drop the bottom fifth of this range or w/e. I'd also default to jamming small pairs and weak Ax as these hands BLOW OOP but are obviously fine shoves and I would probably do this versus just about anyone except the multi tabling ppl who are only shoving or folding obviously as we can raise/call and never have to worry about postflop v this type of player.

    edit: just watched the actual vid. just 1 problem with what you were saying. position is not going to make a huge difference postflop with these stack depths.
    Last edited by Icanhastreebet; 02-29-2012 at 08:36 PM.
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    2.7x but would shove a lot vs anyone stationy (like they might flat A5 and get off cheap) or if you've been shoving some already & BB seems fishy.
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    Vs. someone who is going to defend a lot but fold the flop a ton, do we have a limping range and should it be mega-polarized or what?

    I sort of like shoving here a lot because as stacks get any shallower we're going to be shoving most of the time in this spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    Vs. someone who is going to defend a lot but fold the flop a ton, do we have a limping range and should it be mega-polarized or what?

    I sort of like shoving here a lot because as stacks get any shallower we're going to be shoving most of the time in this spot.
    If risk reward is > 5. BB is going to have the advantage so we shouldn't be open jamming although it is 7.2 so we are pretty close to the point where jamming is going to be > everything v most villains.
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    part 2 up, see OP!
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    I raise/call a hand this strong vs most villians, and would even consider limping to trap sometimes as a sneaky move. Shoving obv isnt bad, its still profitable, but IMO not optimal in this spot.

    Playing postflop if you minraise bvb and get called can be tricky, but I'm still willing to bet/get it in on most boards (all that we hit, and several that we miss like 445 or 623 type boards).
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    (all that we hit, and several that we miss like 445 or 623 type boards).
    In general, Txx boards are good to bluff with broadway or big AX hands because any card bigger than a T on the turn will give us a straight draw or TP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    In general, Txx boards are good to bluff with broadway or big AX hands because any card bigger than a T on the turn will give us a straight draw or TP.
    Txx boards are terrible to get it in on though which is what he said. Txx is going to be nailing a lot of villains range etc.

    In the HHs in question I'd just bet flop jam turn and probably size flop same in both. Yes I overbet shove on the turn pretty happily.

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