Early tournament hand. What do YOU do?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

SB (t1260)
BB (t1490)
UTG (t1460)
UTG+1 (t1450)
MP1 (t1630)
MP2 (t1450)
MP3 (t1570)
CO (t1850)
Hero (t1470)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, A.
3 folds, MP2 calls t20, MP3 calls t20, 1 fold, Hero raises to t80, SB calls t70, 1 fold, MP2 calls t60, MP3 calls t60.

Flop: (t340) 6, K, J (4 players)
SB checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets t350, SB raises to t1180, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero ... ??

Final Pot: t1870

i suppose since it's early in the tourney, you don't have any read on the guy.

Could be a split pot or he's got KJ. He could have middle pair for all you know.

I let it go. It's too early to call all-in.

bet less on flop, something like 2/3. only possible draw is striaght, it will help you get more out of weaker K's on top of that you have position, so you will have easier time getting away from the hand if needed to.

I think it's pretty boarderline, but I'm leaning towards folding because

1) SB check raised you, on top of your healthy potsized bet after you raising preflop. (he should put you on at least AK or possibly AA)

2) big blind is 20

3) big blind is 20


aurguements for call would be

1) 2:1 pot odd

2) possiblility of bluff/tying for the pot

I vote for folding especially because you are in a tournament but even in ring I would suggest making a tough laydown here. He could have AA, KK, KJ, 66, JJ or ,nothing.

Still check raising AI is the extreme show of strength, not sure though why he would make such a play with a set so I would guess he has KJ.

Were u playing aggressive so that he was fairly sure you would be betting the flop?

If I can re-buy then call.
If it's a MTT fold.
If it's a SnG, usually call.

I went in the tank for a relatively long time on this, and eventually came up with the conclusion that I can really only beat a bluff or semibluff here. He can pretty easily put me on AK so the bluff is not all that likely. There are several hands that he would just call 4xBB with that are ahead. He was nice enough to flash his AA after I folded.

wow my ass would have called. but thats me and mydicipline. grrr


good fold tyler

Why do people have such a hard time laying down hands, in situations just like this? I think you bet out the flop a bit hard. That guy you played is a fool for not reraising with aa, and check raising with top pair. For me, this is an easy lay down. Sometimes, people will bluff at the straight/flush draw, but you have to have a read on your player, which I assume you didn't this early in the tourney.

.02$

Originally Posted by iwa

Why do people have such a hard time laying down hands, in situations just like this? I think you bet out the flop a bit hard.

Yeah, I really wanted to get any better hands that might be out there to come back over the top of me, which is what happened.

Tyler, you still working the sats?

Originally Posted by iwa

Tyler, you still working the sats?

I've gotten my ass handed to me in a few of them, yep. Notably busting with QQ vs ace-low about 7 places from getting paid.

Yeah, the one I played was about the easiest field I have ever seen in my life. Played like 4 pots. Only time I lost was when QQ ran into AA.... the people in the sats are so easy to trap too

Hell, for 80 chips he could have had J6 or something. Bizzare way to play AA, call the PFR, then come over the top on the flop. If he had called the flop, he probably ends up with your stack. I guess he might have been scared of AQ straight draw.

Oh, yeah, I guess you have to fold.

He played his hand pretty poorly. With the limpers in front of you, he should've reraised to about 250 or so and get everyone else out of the pot. You'd call (or maybe reraise / shove), and then he could lead at the pot for lets say 350 - 400, and he'd be getting your stack, with you probably reraising all in immediately (and if not, likely calling an all in on the turn). He'd still get paid off (actually more so), without all the risk of letting so many people see the flop.

But forgetting what he actually had, if I considered him a decent player, I'd probably call this, the way it was played out, because it doesn't make sense why he's playing a hand that beats you so fast here, without raising preflop. It looks like an open ended straight draw, AK, or a K that's misread your flop bet or something ...

Although if I considered him a bad player (but not the passive type that only bets big with big hands), I'd probably call even faster, as he easily could have any K or lower pocket pair that he can't lay down. I think its debatable that a very good player would typically only make this play with an open ended straight draw or AK.

A set SURELY would be played slower, and I'd have to think KJ would be as well (call and then check raise all in on turn would be much more effective for both), and that basically just leaves AA as the only hand that beats you here.

If it weren't for the limpers, or if this were a blind war (SB vs. BB), AA would make a lot more sense.