Deep in $20, blind war, 44

PokerStars Game #12351966438: Tournament #61820657, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVI (2000/4000) - 2007/09/30 - 04:09:41 (ET)
Table '61820657 39' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: ChristaBorg (115822 in chips)
Seat 3: chaman007 (130555 in chips)
Seat 4: booradly07 (105514 in chips)
Seat 8: Texanbybirth (143309 in chips)
Seat 9: BleedBlue33 (187300 in chips)
ChristaBorg: posts the ante 400
chaman007: posts the ante 400
booradly07: posts the ante 400
Texanbybirth: posts the ante 400
BleedBlue33: posts the ante 400
BleedBlue33: posts small blind 2000
ChristaBorg: posts big blind 4000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ChristaBorg [4c 4d]
chaman007: folds
booradly07: folds
Texanbybirth: folds
BleedBlue33: raises 8000 to 12000
ChristaBorg:

Final table, stacks are deep. Obv fold/call are not options, the only question I have is am I shoving this or do we have enough room for me to re-raise light and/or rep a stronger hand (obv calling a shove preflop, shoving any non A flop)

OR is this just poooooooooosh?

-Chris

Reads: She's been tight, not nitty. Also, been raising in position a fair amount. I am 99% sure I'm flipping or better.

-Chris

i'm not sure i'd want to flip at this point. you have alot of time to pick your spots. you said villain has been tight.

you said coin flip or better. seems villain would have to have a 3 for this to be 'better'... other wise it's definitely 55/45 at best.

i say... see a flop.. you have position.

make it 30k and call a push

i guess i need to be enlightened here. why do we need to risk our whole stack on 44???

villain has been tight. and then we call a push?

if were down to 60k then fine. but we have lots of time yet.

original poster seems to think getting it all in with 44 is ok... and so does the last poster. what is the reasoning behind this?

Originally Posted by Sykedupp

Reads: She's been tight, not nitty. Also, been raising in position a fair amount. I am 99% sure I'm flipping or better.

I tried for 10 minutes to think of a reasonable reply to this absurdity. The best I could come up with is the top 25% of hands per NLHE T&P

AA-22, Ak-A5, ATC ten or higher, , K9s-T9s.

Originally Posted by drmcboy

I tried for 10 minutes to think of a reasonable reply to this absurdity.

I was planning on asking him if he was playing on Absolute Poker, but you're probably less of a dick than I am so I guess that's good.

Anyway, pushing is probably the best option because it's a blind battle and no one ever gives anyone any credit for a hand (so "repping" a big hand won't work). If you make a small re-raise he might be more likely to push with T9s or something which is a disaster for you.

As you noted in the OP this is an awful hand to just call with here. If you're calling a raise with these stacks in a blind battle you want a hand that hits more than 1/8 flops.

well your 99% flipping or better comment is dumb but....

just raise to 35kish - maybe it's just me, but I think the whole ultra-aggression thing preflop has gone over the top and can be exploited. You have 30x the BB here, why would you push here???

If overly-aggressive players are exploitable which they probably are, then it's mostly because they re-raise too many hands, not because their re-raises are the wrong size. 44 is a hand that would be in any decent player's re-raising range here so that doesn't apply. If I push here, how are you going to exploit me in a manner that you wouldn't be able to do so if I raised to 35K? And I'd push because I don't want him to come over the top with a hand I'm flipping with.

I don't hate a push, I just think a lot of people who play online MTTs don't know how to play postflop anymore so they dump all their chips in preflop and only get deep by winning flips and/or having their big hands run into smaller big hands.

With position, I actually don't hate a call here at all preflop.

push. It's just too difficult to play postflop imo, even in position.