Couple of spots 12$ 6max

#1 a few hands into a 12$ 6max turbo. no history, I open bigger for value, could even make it 120 probably since we don't have history. Along those lines I should probably cbet a lil' bigger too given board and me wanting value.


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NL Holdem $30(BB) Full Tilt
SB ($1,515)
BB ($1,500)
UTG ($1,500)
UTG+1 ($1,635)
CO ($1,395)
Hero ($1,455)

Dealt to Hero A K

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $105, fold, BB calls $75

FLOP ($225) K Q 7

BB checks, Hero bets $145, BB raises to $330, Hero calls $185


Don't want to fold but need a plan if I flat, thoughts? I guess I could shove too although I'm not sure how much worse calls. Pair + fd hands at worst probably, KJ maybe. Calling this pretty much commits me unless a heart rolls off though.

#2 bb is 0/0 over 17 I have stolen from him once bvb so far, he folded. I am opening atc (close to anyways) here but he doesnt have to know that My standard size here is 165 not that it's a huge difference but I couldnt type into the bet box correctly . . .

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NL Holdem $60(BB) Full Tilt
Hero ($1,155)
BB ($1,320)
UTG ($4,720)
CO ($1,380)
BTN ($425)

Dealt to Hero A 9

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $150, BB calls $90

FLOP ($300) 2 A 7

Hero bets $175, BB raises to $350, Hero

hey look I got min raised on the flop again and need a plan (... redundant?)


#3, I still dont know how to get value preflop with 99-JJ . . . I want to shove here. Villains are both kinda fishy running 30-40 / 10 or such. They haven't done anything stupid enough for me to mark down though.

Making it 300 or 400 leads to "awkward stacks" postflop. I think I overthink preflop a lot based on "awkward stacks".

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NL Holdem $100(BB) Full Tilt
SB ($1,506)
Hero ($1,399)
UTG ($185)
CO ($2,020)
BTN ($3,890)

Dealt to Hero J J

fold, fold, BTN calls $100, SB calls $50, Hero




Uh, this is kinda a brag I guess .. Pre is close otherwise I think it plays itself
Guy is "outrageousjuice" on Fulltilt. I think he must be making money via rakeback because his game is pretty darn nitty. He regs 10+ of these things in the lobby at once often. Is like 15/11/2 (3bet) over 300 hands. we've been trading blinds back and forth with minraises and just open folding with awkward stack sizes.

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NL Holdem $240(BB) Full Tilt
Hero ($5,085)
($3,915)

Dealt to Hero Q 5

raises to $480, Hero calls $240

FLOP ($960) T A 9

So he doesn't cbet which weights his range heavily toward some showdown value (any pair), air, and the occasional slowplay with 2 pair +. He has an ace very rarely here.

Hero checks, checks

TURN ($960) T A 9 K

Hero bets $505, calls $505

might be a close here if I didn't pick up a ton of equity. But I did so I bet expecting to fold out air get called by any pair T+, any decent draw.

RIVER ($1,970) T A 9 K 8

Pretty much planned to fire any card left in the deck that wasnt a King or Ten.

Hero bets $1,250, folds

Hero wins $1,970

Success (I like to spew, except for vs fellow FTR players, they should just fold)

Hand 1: yea i hate these spots, i probably flat and shove non heart turns. but that could be pretty bad.

Hand 2: i almost always shove as most players that have A10+ here with BB stacksize shove preflop. but against a 0/0 a bit scary, i think i still shove thou.

hand 3: i usually over raise preflop here to ~500 and shove almost every flop which is now a bit under potsized bet. both are almost never calling a shove since both limped. and like you said 300 makes an awkward stacksize oop

Hand1: What hand range do you put him on that is likely to minraise back ? if he had any non flush hand that beats you he would raise more, if he had vulnerable flush he would raise more. If he had a nut flush he would probably flat, he may minraise in order to build the pot. Villian's most likely holding is some form of a draw or a draw + pair that wants to get a free card on the turn.
I would reraise here mainly because there are too many cards that can peel on the turn and help him although I can see a case of calling and betting any non heart turn.

Hand 2: I would shove over, I think calling is your worst line here

Hand 3: raise 400

Hand 1: Tough spot. Personally I can't decide between shoving over right here and flatting with the intention of shoving over on any non heart turn. Probably lean towards the latter just because if he is trying to pick off your "c-bet" and you shove over you don't get any more chips out of him, but there's a chance that if you flat that he shoves the turn with a hand you beat.

Hand 2: Shove over, with your stack size I'm not folding

Hand 3: I agree with the others, 400-500 preflop and then shove a non-A flop

Hand 1:
All options suck. Guess flatting and re-evaluating on turn is the most comfortable way of playing it. Not sure it's the most profitable one, though.
Edit: Actually, since the board is so drawy and your bet is perversely small, shoving over immediately has lots of merit.

Hand 2:
Check flop. If he's behind, he's got very few outs. You'll extract way more if you postpone your bet to later streets.
As played, I don't really see any play other than folding. AT+, A7, A2, 77, 22 all make tons of sense.

Hand 3:
Shove, don't just raise. Considering the situation, JJ is a monster hand pre-flop. They will sometimes make very bad calls. But if they fold, you've added almost 25% to your stack just like that. However, if you decide to play the flop, they will make much less and much smaller mistakes than you will.

Originally Posted by Fielmann

Hand 2:
Check flop. If he's behind, he's got very few outs. You'll extract way more if you postpone your bet to later streets.
As played, I don't really see any play other than folding. AT+, A7, A2, 77, 22 all make tons of sense.

so does Ax(not 2 pair), 7x, and air trying to pick off a cbet. i would think that A10+ and 77(maybe 22 as well) would shove pre. so if your behind your looking at most likely A2, A7, and 22 and thats a pretty small part of his range.

Originally Posted by Fielmann

Hand 3:
Shove, don't just raise. Considering the situation, JJ is a monster hand pre-flop. They will sometimes make very bad calls. But if they fold, you've added almost 25% to your stack just like that. However, if you decide to play the flop, they will make much less and much smaller mistakes than you will.

i think its way more likely they make a mistake, by us raising then shoving pretty much any flop, almost no worse hands are calling a 13BB shove when they limp (as it's doubtful the BTN's limping 88+ AJ+) if we raise pre they might call with some of the hands they limp incl. some hands we dominate.

@ fulsky do you think a significantly different range will call 500 vs a 1300 shove?? I suppose from a fish's perspective 500<1300

also hand 2 went awesome. I decided he never calls worse (or a very small %) so I flat. We get to turn which bricks in some form or anther. I'm like wtf, I cant fold but I can't value bet either. I check, he fires 450 out of his 750 stack and I shove cuz lol 300 more chips. He folds quick Also regarding his range for flatting I think it's possible he knows I'm opening at least kinda wide and he can trap me with 99+, AJ+ so those can be in his range. Discounted but definitely could be as much as 25% (made up stat..) there. I was actually curious if I could fold but it seemed ridiculously nitty.

Originally Posted by dneureiter

@ fulsky do you think a significantly different range will call 500 vs a 1300 shove?? I suppose from a fish's perspective 500<1300

yea i don't think it would be ridiculously different (unless they're big fish, who will call off 2/3 of their stack then fold, ex. lol hand 2) but some players like calling with smaller pairs just to shove seemingly safe flops, so i don't think it has to be much wider to make raising more profitable. does that even make sense?

Originally Posted by fulksy

i think its way more likely they make a mistake, by us raising then shoving pretty much any flop, almost no worse hands are calling a 13BB shove when they limp (as it's doubtful the BTN's limping 88+ AJ+) if we raise pre they might call with some of the hands they limp incl. some hands we dominate.

Note that both villains are 30-40/10 donks. In my experience they'll limp-callshove with 55-TT, Axs-AJs, AT-AJo a lot.

Originally Posted by dneureiter

@ fulsky do you think a significantly different range will call 500 vs a 1300 shove?? I suppose from a fish's perspective 500<1300

Originally Posted by fulksy

yea i don't think it would be ridiculously different (unless they're big fish, who will call off 2/3 of their stack then fold, ex. lol hand 2) but some players like calling with smaller pairs just to shove seemingly safe flops, so i don't think it has to be much wider to make raising more profitable. does that even make sense?

Seems to me it has to be a lot wider, because if they call a shove, they're putting in 3.25 times more chips as compared to when they call a 500 raise. Countering this with a hope that they'll be stacking off on random flops with small PP's is lulz.

1) I just jam flop as played which I like, don't bet more

2) I check flop & hope for two streets, call and give up to more action as played. I have been trying out betting 125 here with any hand I bet with good results so far.

3) with reads I just shove. If you make it 400 it's much better to check some really bad/really good flops