nope shoving for value . Had checked the password release thread reguularly in the runup to the event to answer questions and correlated his screename to FTR name and knew he wasnt an FTR reg ,so implied read of fishier than an FTR reg.M was 6.5 ish so seemed obvious shove with all my range here and had been shoving a fair bit already,so was likely to eventually run into a hand that would call me.