180man Sanity Check

So I assume the chiplead 70-handed and then either I play bad or the deck just goes super-cold.

First AK hand is certainly debatable, but both players sucked at poker and I don't mind gambling to get a big stack.

Turb0 180man, last hand we're 24-handed and the BTN just doubled up, he is 20/20 over 15 hands.

-----Hand 5-----
Hero's M = 13.12
PokerStars Game #22027665575: Tournament #120425815, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/11/14 7:35:02 ET
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '120425815 8' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: cash011 (2590 in chips)
Seat 2: KubuX (2580 in chips)
Seat 3: Quickhand67 (3915 in chips)
Seat 4: Hoollie (5405 in chips)
Seat 5: JD_Gunn (3400 in chips)
Seat 6: marceli77 (2345 in chips)
Seat 7: LolTrappedU (3935 in chips)
Seat 8: Old Geizer (2315 in chips)
marceli77: posts small blind 100
LolTrappedU: posts big blind 200
Preflop: LolTrappedU dealt K A
Old Geizer: folds
cash011: folds
KubuX: folds
Quickhand67: raises 600 to 800

Hoollie: raises 4605 to 5405 and is all-in

JD_Gunn: folds
marceli77: folds
LolTrappedU: calls 3735 and is all-in

Quickhand67: calls 3115 and is all-in

Uncalled bet (1470) returned to Hoollie
Flop: T 7 9
Turn: K
River: 9
Showdown:
LolTrappedU: shows K A (two pair, Kings and Nines)
Hoollie: shows J J (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
LolTrappedU collected 40 from side pot
Quickhand67: shows J J (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
LolTrappedU collected 11845 from main pot



-----Hand 6-----
Hero's M = 39.62
PokerStars Game #22027676263: Tournament #120425815, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/11/14 7:35:54 ET
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '120425815 8' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: cash011 (2590 in chips)
Seat 2: KubuX (2580 in chips)
Seat 4: Hoollie (1470 in chips)
Seat 5: JD_Gunn (3400 in chips)
Seat 6: marceli77 (2245 in chips)
Seat 7: LolTrappedU (11885 in chips)
Seat 8: Old Geizer (2315 in chips)
Seat 9: WXYZ72 (2560 in chips)
LolTrappedU: posts small blind 100
Old Geizer: posts big blind 200
Preflop: LolTrappedU dealt A 7
WXYZ72: folds
cash011: folds
KubuX: folds
Hoollie: folds
JD_Gunn: folds
marceli77: folds
LolTrappedU: raises 11685 to 11885 and is all-in

Old Geizer: folds
Uncalled bet (11685) returned to LolTrappedU
LolTrappedU collected 400 from pot
LolTrappedU: doesn't show hand



-----Hand 7-----
Hero's M = 40.28
PokerStars Game #22027683109: Tournament #120425815, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/11/14 7:36:28 ET
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '120425815 8' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: cash011 (2590 in chips)
Seat 2: KubuX (2580 in chips)
Seat 4: Hoollie (1470 in chips)
Seat 5: JD_Gunn (3400 in chips)
Seat 6: marceli77 (2245 in chips)
Seat 7: LolTrappedU (12085 in chips)
Seat 8: Old Geizer (2115 in chips)
Seat 9: WXYZ72 (2560 in chips)
Old Geizer: posts small blind 100
WXYZ72: posts big blind 200
Preflop: LolTrappedU dealt A A
cash011: folds
KubuX: folds
Hoollie: folds
JD_Gunn: folds
marceli77: folds
LolTrappedU: raises 200 to 400

Old Geizer: calls 300
WXYZ72: folds
Flop: 5 3 K
Old Geizer: checks
LolTrappedU: bets 400

Old Geizer: folds
Uncalled bet (400) returned to LolTrappedU
LolTrappedU collected 1000 from pot
LolTrappedU: doesn't show hand



-----Hand 8-----
Hero's M = 42.28
PokerStars Game #22027689190: Tournament #120425815, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/11/14 7:36:57 ET
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '120425815 8' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: cash011 (2590 in chips)
Seat 2: KubuX (2580 in chips)
Seat 4: Hoollie (1470 in chips)
Seat 5: JD_Gunn (3400 in chips)
Seat 6: marceli77 (2245 in chips)
Seat 7: LolTrappedU (12685 in chips)
Seat 8: Old Geizer (1715 in chips)
Seat 9: WXYZ72 (2360 in chips)
WXYZ72: posts small blind 100
cash011: posts big blind 200
Preflop: LolTrappedU dealt 4 4
KubuX: folds
Hoollie: folds
JD_Gunn: folds
marceli77: calls 200
LolTrappedU: calls 200
Old Geizer: folds
WXYZ72: calls 100
cash011: checks
Flop: 9 Q K
WXYZ72: bets 200

cash011: calls 200
marceli77: folds
LolTrappedU: folds
Turn: 7
WXYZ72: bets 200

cash011: calls 200
River: 7
WXYZ72: bets 200

cash011: calls 200
Showdown:
WXYZ72: shows 8 Q (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
cash011: shows Q 4 (two pair, Queens and Sevens)
WXYZ72 collected 1000 from pot
cash011 collected 1000 from pot


9 2 CO-1 (M = 41.62; f+f+f+f+F)

-----Hand 9-----
Hero's M = 41.62
PokerStars Game #22027711327: Tournament #120425815, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/11/14 7:38:45 ET
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '120425815 8' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: cash011 (1990 in chips)
Seat 2: KubuX (2380 in chips)
Seat 3: TDF Kwiker (6730 in chips)
Seat 4: Hoollie (1470 in chips)
Seat 5: JD_Gunn (3400 in chips)
Seat 6: marceli77 (2045 in chips)
Seat 7: LolTrappedU (12485 in chips)
Seat 8: Old Geizer (2915 in chips)
Seat 9: WXYZ72 (2360 in chips)
KubuX: posts small blind 100
TDF Kwiker: posts big blind 200
Preflop: LolTrappedU dealt Q K
Hoollie: folds
JD_Gunn: folds
marceli77: folds
LolTrappedU: raises 200 to 400

Old Geizer: folds
WXYZ72: calls 400
cash011: calls 400
KubuX: folds
TDF Kwiker: calls 200
Flop: A Q J
TDF Kwiker: checks
LolTrappedU: checks
WXYZ72: bets 1960 and is all-in

cash011: calls 1590 and is all-in

TDF Kwiker: folds
LolTrappedU: folds
Uncalled bet (370) returned to WXYZ72
Turn: 6
River: 4
Showdown:
WXYZ72: shows J A (two pair, Aces and Jacks)
cash011: shows T K (a straight, Ten to Ace)
cash011 collected 4880 from pot


K J MP1 (M = 40.28; f+p+F)

-----Hand 10-----
Hero's M = 40.28
PokerStars Game #22027724584: Tournament #120425815, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2008/11/14 7:39:50 ET
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '120425815 8' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: cash011 (4880 in chips)
Seat 2: KubuX (2280 in chips)
Seat 3: TDF Kwiker (6230 in chips)
Seat 4: Hoollie (1270 in chips)
Seat 5: JD_Gunn (3400 in chips)
Seat 6: marceli77 (2345 in chips)
Seat 7: LolTrappedU (12085 in chips)
Seat 8: Old Geizer (2915 in chips)
Seat 9: WXYZ72 (370 in chips)
Hoollie: posts small blind 100
JD_Gunn: posts big blind 200
Preflop: LolTrappedU dealt A A
marceli77: folds
LolTrappedU: raises 250 to 450

Old Geizer: folds
WXYZ72: folds
cash011: calls 450
KubuX: folds
TDF Kwiker: folds
Hoollie: folds
JD_Gunn: folds
Flop: Q 5 T
LolTrappedU: bets 850

cash011: folds
Uncalled bet (850) returned to LolTrappedU
LolTrappedU collected 1200 from pot
LolTrappedU: doesn't show hand


A 2 UTG (M = 21.39; F)
7 9 BB (M = 22.28; c+f+c+r+f+f+f+F)
3 6 SB (M = 21.80; c+p+f+p+f+f+F)
5 A BU (M = 22.52; f+f+f+r+F)
5 7 MP1 (M = 20.60; p+f+F)
3 7 UTG+1 (M = 20.56; f+F)
5 4 UTG (M = 18.24; F)
5 3 BB (M = 18.90; f+f+f+f+r+f+f+F)
T K SB (M = 18.40; f+f+r+f+f+c+F)
J 6 BU (M = 18.13; f+f+f+f+f+F)
A 4 CO (M = 18.09; f+r+f+f+F)
K Q CO-1 (M = 17.39; c+f+f+r+F)
J 8 MP1 (M = 11.71; r+f+F)
J 3 UTG+1 (M = 11.66; f+F)
9 A UTG (M = 11.61; F)
6 5 BB (M = 11.56; f+f+f+f+r+f+p+F)
T 5 SB (M = 11.11; f+f+f+r+f+f+F)
2 9 BU (M = 10.86; f+f+f+f+f+F)
7 3 CO (M = 11.38; f+p+f+F)
5 Q UTG+1 (M = 8.28; r+F)
8 9 UTG (M = 8.24; F)
3 Q BB (M = 8.20; f+f+f+f+r+f+p+F)
7 5 SB (M = 7.70; f+r+f+f+f+f+F)
J T BU (M = 7.43; f+f+f+f+r+F)
3 K CO (M = 7.39; f+f+f+f+F)
Q 8 MP1 (M = 7.65; f+f+F)
3 4 UTG+1 (M = 5.51; f+F)
J 6 UTG (M = 5.47; F)
Q 7 UTG (M = 4.99; F)

-----Hand 11-----
Hero's M = 5.16
PokerStars Game #22027999454: Tournament #120425815, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2008/11/14 8:01:50 ET
Condensed history provided by the Tournament Trimmer (v1.1.4w) from http://www.FlopTurnRiver.com
Table '120425815 7' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Old Geizer (2990 in chips)
Seat 2: wingham111 (6055 in chips)
Seat 3: Royal2ME (6882 in chips)
Seat 4: cash011 (6155 in chips)
Seat 6: freshy555 (12433 in chips)
Seat 7: Dedinus (18131 in chips)
Seat 8: LolTrappedU (9285 in chips)
Seat 9: EL Pokerci (3605 in chips)
All players post the ante 75
Dedinus: posts small blind 400
LolTrappedU: posts big blind 800
Preflop: LolTrappedU dealt A J
EL Pokerci: folds
Old Geizer: folds
wingham111: folds
Royal2ME: folds
cash011: folds
freshy555: raises 1600 to 2400

Dedinus: folds
LolTrappedU: raises 6810 to 9210 and is all-in

freshy555: calls 6810
Flop: J 8 K
Turn: Q
River: 6
Showdown:
LolTrappedU: shows A J (a pair of Jacks)
freshy555: shows A K (a pair of Kings)
freshy555 collected 19420 from pot



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I must be missing something. You go from 40M to 21.39M without anythign happening?

well it's a turbo, so the blinds went from 100/200 Ante 25 to 150/300 Ante 50 I guess

yea, Im retarded and didn't even think of that. I honestly don't see any hands that you should have played differently. Oh the joys of the tubos.

a bunch of these are debatable spots here is what i personally do

hand 1 (ak)- fold

hand 2 (a7)- i guess i dont hate the play

hand 3 (aa)- i mean i would do what you did, the only thing i can think of is maybe minraising or checking just because its a very dry board and you want to give him a card to catch up and at least pick up a draw

hand 4(44)- easy fold

hand 5 (kq)- also easy fold, nice job of not c-betting into a pot with a huge amount of players, its definitely one of my pitfalls

hand 6(aa)- unlike the last aces hand you definitely have to bet, id probably shoot out one that was pot sized, but yours is fine too

all those folds are fine....you def went card dead lol

hand 7 (aj)- tough one, i mean i guess your play is fine here, i think id rather hear what some others have to say though

yea they're crazy, just got 3rd and 4th in two of them at the same time (with in 5 min. of each other) sooooo much variance

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

hand 2 (a7)- i guess i dont hate the play

This hand is the only one I wasnt sure about, but I dont play turbos and I figured you had your reasons.

Preflop sucks in the 44 hand, why are you playing for set value vs. a bunch of less than 15 BB deep guys?

Looks perfect otherwise. No big deal not winning a pot for 3 orbits, it happens.

what would you guys want me to do with A7 against an 11BB stack in B v B

yea, the 44 felt weird, I guess fold/shove

Originally Posted by mcatdog

Looks perfect otherwise. No big deal not winning a pot for 3 orbits, it happens.

I'm perfectly fine w/ not winning a pot in 3 orbits, but not even playing one seemed bad in a turbo, looking back on it there was like one spot that was even close (KQs), otherwise Lee Jones just shat on me I guess.

I shove a fairly wide range on a 11bb stack when sb vs. bb. When things go good in 180s you feel like you can't lose. But when they go bad............the variance will drive you insane at times. Just keep playing good standard poker and you will do well in these. I would keep the bluffing down and steal less. Chip preserve is important. You won't have that many opportunities to steal blinds due to stack sizes late.

I ship the A7, too, but I also ship the AA hand right after it. If you want to shove bad hands over the short stacks, you also have to shove the good ones, because you'll get called by a lot of Ax, Kx, and lower pocket pairs. I actually love picking up AK or JJ-AA right after I've open shoved. I just do it again and get a lot more calls than you would think.