Help with this hand plz, was confused on how to play it

As for what to do on the flop, just fold. We have no fold equity, we need to win more than 3x the bet size to break even, and our stack isn't big enough to win that much.

Your repeated arguments to play on a short stack are, indeed, indicative of you having a fishy leak in your game.

We've explained multiple times why sitting on a short stack doesn't limit your losses, it limits your wins. Still you persist to say fishy stuff like, "I don't have alot of money to keep topping up right now and I want to get used to playing with different sizes."

If you can't afford to lose 30 buy-ins, then you can't afford to play. Even a winning player can hit some brutal downswings.
If you're choosing to play when you can't afford it, then fine, but you really shouldn't then get uppety when someone says you're not playing like a person trying to be a pro.
Of course you're not, that's not your goal. You're just having a bit of fun and burning a bit of your disposable income on a hobby. That's legit.

However, if your goal is to play like a pro and to move up in stakes out of the micros, then we're giving you advice with a full explanation of the reasons behind the advice, and you're coming back at us with, "This guy who wrote a book says no." OK. What were his reasons? Let's talk about whether those apply and if they do, let's talk about whether I am wrong. I don't like to be wrong. I don't want to give bad advice. If you're looking for someone to just tell you what to do without reasons, then 2+2 is a better poker forum for that, IMO.

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

Your repeated arguments to play on a short stack are, indeed, indicative of you having a fishy leak in your game.

We've explained multiple times why sitting on a short stack doesn't limit your losses, it limits your wins. Still you persist to say fishy stuff like, "I don't have alot of money to keep topping up right now and I want to get used to playing with different sizes."

If you can't afford to lose 30 buy-ins, then you can't afford to play. Even a winning player can hit some brutal downswings.
If you're choosing to play when you can't afford it, then fine, but you really shouldn't then get uppety when someone says you're not playing like a person trying to be a pro.
Of course you're not, that's not your goal. You're just having a bit of fun and burning a bit of your disposable income on a hobby. That's legit.

However, if your goal is to play like a pro and to move up in stakes out of the micros, then we're giving you advice with a full explanation of the reasons behind the advice, and you're coming back at us with, "This guy who wrote a book says no." OK. What were his reasons? Let's talk about whether those apply and if they do, let's talk about whether I am wrong. I don't like to be wrong. I don't want to give bad advice. If you're looking for someone to just tell you what to do without reasons, then 2+2 is a better poker forum for that, IMO.

Thats your opinion and your outlook on things, If I want to play with whatever money I have I will do so, I can learn and play without topping up to max, I can get better at the game without a full buy in while playing still. and yes I would take a pro poker players hand charts and guides over a random guy whos getting stupid with me for no reason. We don't even need a discussion about the hand selection its not a super in depth problem its 2c call with a 20c pot already out there, it would be borderline silly not to call but if you guys wouldn't be comfortable playing the hand and would rather fold it that is your preference and thats fine but its not cool to make is sound silly for calling which is what keith tried to do

Thats your opinion and your outlook on things, If I want to play with whatever money I have I will do so, I can learn and play without topping up to max, I can get better at the game without a full buy in while playing still. and yes I would take a pro poker players hand charts and guides over a random guy whos getting stupid with me for no reason. We don't even need a discussion about the hand selection its not a super in depth problem its 2c call with a 20c pot already out there, it would be borderline silly not to call but if you guys wouldn't be comfortable playing the hand and would rather fold it that is your preference and thats fine but its not cool to make is sound silly for calling which is what keith tried to do

This demonstrates a huge failing that many people have that makes them unprofitable .you are calling us /me out for highlighting the 2 cent call because its "duh obvious a call using pot odds". This is because you are misapplying concepts and ignoring your implied odds (chances of hitting a winning hand) and reverse implied odds chances of losing when you do hit your hand you are drawing to .

The point is not the 2c ,its the money you lose when you call multiway out of position with a small stackthese losses will swamp what you will likely win making it -ev to be in the hand in the first place. Until you start realizing that money not lost is just as important as money won you will continue to bleed chips /money using the "its only 2c " argument. The smaller the stack you start the hand with the tighter your range should be and the nittier you should play.

"You are posting like a fish"

I mean.. you didn't give any ranges, or any reads at all in the hand you posted in this thread, which is indeed, "posting" like a fish.
Do you agree?

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

"You are posting like a fish"

I mean.. you didn't give any ranges, or any reads at all in the hand you posted in this thread, which is indeed, "posting" like a fish.
Do you agree?

No , I was tired and felt like maybe I could wait til later in the day to do so....? or maybe you could give a general analysis like other forums...? This is the only forum where I post things and get flamed for no reason, I came and showed a very reasonable spot and got nothing but backlash

The problem you have is that you don't know what you don't know i.e asking "Pot committed what does that actually mean"

We are giving you advice how to beat 2nl and you keep posting like a fish.

You can't call multiway with 39bb with Axs out of position as you dont have the stack size to realize your equity , the pot will rapidly bloat and you will find yourself pot committed , either having to call off your stack or fold what you've put in the pot.
Short stacking takes away post flop play because you are facing all in or fold decison post flop, you have no fold equity ever.(this is telling you what pot commited means in practice, by making this bet you are committing the whole of your stack on subsequent betting rounds if called)becuase you've already committed a high % of your starting stack to the hand.

For someone who's delusional , i've never deposited personal funds into poker . I built an initial bankroll from freerolls and then ground it up and have been withdrawing ever since for the last 11 years .I expect that Mojo and Ong are similar. Run multiple challenges where i've run sub 5$ balances up without busting. That started out1/2 stacking and adding tables and then increasing the buyins as soon as possible.


the question about the post had to do with the technical side of shoving and calculating if it’s EV or calling with pot odds or just folding


You are completely missing the point . You can't estimate your equity without putting the villains on a range and the villains ranges will depend on your reads of them . If Btn is a fish , playing any two cards and you've seen him bluff raising flops in the past then you have a lot more equity than if he's a tight player and hes always had it when youve seem him raise cbets on the flop.

For poker , you have to be able to think about the situation and reason out what you should do . Given any situation you may play it differently against one person compared with another person based on a whole range of factors, be player type , people still to act , stack sizes , likely equity etc etc.

The more information you give the better advice you will receive and by the arguments used you will start to think like a profitable poker player. studying won't make you profitable if you study the wrong things , apply concepts where they shouldn't be applied etc etc. Those things you learn from experience . If you talk like a fish , post like a fish and play like a fish , you are a fish. You will only improve when you learn to accept that you are a fish and that you have areas to work on.

10 years on and withdrawing continually i'm still a fish, i accept that there are people that know more than me and that there are limits where i will get crushed . I don't have the time to put the work in to no longer be a fish at those limits but if i did i'd still be a fish at higher limits.


Pokercoaching.com has tons of hand charts and live webinars with actual professionals



You need the quote where it is better to teach a guy to fish that to give him a fish to cook. hand charts are generalizations , you need to learn how your range should change depending on your opponents , stack sizes etc hand charts wont give you that .

Is that the only poker book you've got? Poker books have a tendency to contradict each other, in my experience.
It's not enough to just take blind advice. You need to know what assumptions are behind the advice and if those assumptions apply to you.


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I've noticed that when someone criticizes your poker play, you turn and criticize their person.
Not very high equity on your end of that, IMO.

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

Is that the only poker book you've got? Poker books have a tendency to contradict each other, in my experience.
It's not enough to just take blind advice. You need to know what assumptions are behind the advice and if those assumptions apply to you.


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I've noticed that when someone criticizes your poker play, you turn and criticize their person.
Not very high equity on your end of that, IMO.

he didn't criticize just my play he was calling me a fish and being disrespecful sorry if you guys are used people who just take it but I dont, I'm done with these forums I've got more constructive things to do and Pokercoaching.com has tons of hand charts and live webinars with actual professionals that I watch and get involved with. I didn't do anything wrong here, Best wishes guys, enjoy your day/

Well... now it's later.

What are your reads and ranges for the villains in this hand?