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folding QQ to passive calling station on a x-raise all-in on flop

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  1. #1

    Default folding QQ to passive calling station on a x-raise all-in on flop

    Villains stats :35vpip/10pfr/1 AG/ (125 hands)

    PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 8 players
    Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

    UTG: $4.46 (223 bb)
    UTG+1: $2.43 (122 bb)
    MP: $1.68 (84 bb)
    MP+1: $2.43 (122 bb)
    CO: $2.30 (115 bb)
    BU: $1.77 (89 bb)
    SB (Hero): $1.61 (81 bb)
    BB: $2.16 (108 bb)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with Q Q
    UTG calls $0.02, 4 players fold, BTN raises to $0.06, Hero 3-bets to $0.22, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.20, 1 fold

    Flop: ($0.52) 5 3 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.34, UTG raises to $4.24 (all-in), SB (Hero) folds

    Total pot: $1.20 (Rake: $0.04)
    UTG wins $1.16

    I felt like this villain had a set every time since his aggression factor is so low and he was more of a calling type of player, does this seem like correct play? I first felt like it was a bad fold but after I watched a few more hands this player was showing up with the nuts whenever he went to a showdown, full-houses, Nut-flushes etcc. but some of his UTG raises pre flop I was beginning to get suspicous he had raised a few utg's in a row .heres another hand were I folded Top pair

    Villain from the last hand is UTG, so he had 40VPIP with 10PFR/ 1 AG. SB I only had 7 hands on
    he had 29vpip/0 pfr/1 AF, what could his min-raise mean ? medium pocket pair like JJ,TT? AA rigging up a pot ?

    PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 9 players
    Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

    UTG: $5.85 (293 bb)
    UTG+1 (Hero): $0.94 (47 bb)
    MP: $1.97 (99 bb)
    MP+1: $2.00 (100 bb)
    LP: $3.05 (153 bb)
    CO: $1.63 (82 bb)
    BU: $2.00 (100 bb)
    SB: $2.20 (110 bb)
    BB: $5.38 (269 bb)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG+1 with K Q
    UTG raises to $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, 3 players fold, CO calls $0.06, 1 fold, SB 3-bets to $0.10, BB calls $0.08, UTG calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.04, CO calls $0.04

    Flop: ($0.50) 5 K 6 (5 players)
    SB checks, BB bets $0.02, UTG calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, CO calls $0.02, SB raises to $0.32, BB folds, UTG calls $0.30, UTG+1 (Hero) folds, CO folds

    Turn: ($1.20) J (2 players)
    SB checks, UTG bets $0.60, SB calls $0.60

    River: ($2.40) A (2 players)
    SB bets $1.18 (all-in), UTG folds

    Total pot: $2.40 (Rake: $0.08)
    SB wins $2.32

    Did I make a good laydown in this hand ?
    Last edited by DonkeyBets; 02-01-2020 at 09:56 PM.
  2. #2
    The QQ hand is a pretty horrible spot and I could argue a case either way. Against some players I'm drooling, against others it's an easy fold. If I thought the guy was an idiot, I'm calling him. But you look A LOT like QQ+ here and villain is expecting you to call. Folding looks good here. But this isn't always a fold. It really does depend on the villain.

    The KQ hand, we should raise the 2c bet. SB is the guy who 3bet, and he checked. BB probably has a draw. Our hand is in decent shape here, and there's value. I think you're giving the 3bet too much credit. If this is rare, fair enough, but keep an eye on these kind of players to see how often they are doing it.
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  3. #3
    Actually KQo UTG+1, 8 handed, facing an UTG open, we can just go ahead and fold pre.
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    ongies gonna ong
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    Hand 1, you can happily fold any non-sets to this donktastic shove. Unless you see them shipping with TPTK on low boards, or valuing mid-overpairs on low boards like that, just fold any 1-pair hand or lower. If you had 2-pair, you probably sigh call and expect to lose. If you do that 5 times with 2-pair, you can stop calling with 2-pair until you see them show up with crap when you call with a set.

    Quote Originally Posted by ongbonga
    Actually KQo UTG+1, 8 handed, facing an UTG open, we can just go ahead and fold pre.
    So much this.
    KQo is just a fold PRE 100% of the time in that spot. Even with mouth-breathing fish in every seat, you'll face a lot of tough decisions post OOP.
    Focus on other things until you have evidence that you're UTG+1 ranges are too tight for the population. For now, they're definitely not.
    I mean... if Villain's aren't noticing your range, then you don't need to do anything tricky with it. KQo from UTG+1 is prob close to a 0EV hand to play, if you play well post flop. That means it adds no value in itself to your range, it only adds value in confusing the villains that were able to deal with your tight range by loosening your range and making them deal with more.
    You can find any pattern you want to any level of precision you want, if you're prepared to ignore enough data.

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