Flopped Q trips Bad ending

Full Tilt, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

CO: $25.11 (100.4 bb)
Hero (BTN): $62.59 (250.4 bb)
SB: $24.65 (98.6 bb)
BB: $18.69 (74.8 bb)
UTG: $25 (100 bb)
MP: $20.20 (80.8 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q 8
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.65, SB calls $0.55, BB folds

Flop: ($1.55) Q Q 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.88, SB raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $5.50, SB calls $3

Turn: ($12.55) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5.93, SB raises to $18.50 and is all-in, Hero calls $12.57

River: ($49.55) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)

Results: $49.55 pot ($2.47 rake)
Final Board: Q Q 4 5 K
Hero showed Q 8 and lost (-$24.65 net)
SB showed 4 4 and won $47.08 ($22.43 net)

First of all, you should not post results, it has a tendancy to influence the comments if people know what villain had. That said, I'm not sure what you expect him to continue to your flop 3bet with that we beat. He's either outflopped us with better Qx or 44, or he's bluffing. If it's a better hand, then we are just setting fire to money, while if he's bluffing he folds when we reraise. So value is non existant. I would call his flop raise, and probably c/c to showdown, or b/f turn. It is a tricky spot because we're strong, but I really don't like it when he raises. We're not that strong that we're fistpumping when stacks go in, on the contrary I think we're nearly always losing when all the money goes in. There's just no draws he can do this with, and his pocket pairs other than 44 are not exactly thrilled by this flop.

Make a note villain flats 44 in SB vs a button open because it's good info to have.

I think I like checking this flop, it's very dry and our hand is very strong relative to villains range whilst we don't block high cards which allow villain to think he has caught a bit of the board on later streets and we aren't getting large amounts of value from anything.

3betting the flop, betting the turn and calling the shove all seem bad. Care to explain why you did them?

Originally Posted by ImSavy

Make a note villain flats 44 in SB vs a button open because it's good info to have.

I think I like checking this flop, it's very dry and our hand is very strong relative to villains range whilst we don't block high cards which allow villain to think he has caught a bit of the board on later streets and we aren't getting large amounts of value from anything.

3betting the flop, betting the turn and calling the shove all seem bad. Care to explain why you did them?

I'm starting to make notes on players. It's a good habit

I 3 bet the flop and called his shove because he was bluffing a lot in previous hands and showed his cards.

If he's bluffing a lot why would raising him be a good idea? Surely letting him continue to bluff is better than giving him the chance to fold?

Originally Posted by ImSavy

If he's bluffing a lot why would raising him be a good idea? Surely letting him continue to bluff is better than giving him the chance to fold?

I raised only half of the pot on the turn, a standard continuation bet. I expected him to bluff re-raising and he did.

Originally Posted by ManchesterUnited

I raised only half of the pot on the turn, a standard continuation bet. I expected him to bluff re-raising and he did.

I'm unconvinced that reraising fours full is a bluff.

villain won't be getting it in here with less than Qx after you 3bet the flop, call the flop checkraise to maximise your chances of villain continuing with the hands you beat.

fold pre

Originally Posted by ManchesterUnited

I'm starting to make notes on players. It's a good habit

I 3 bet the flop and called his shove because he was bluffing a lot in previous hands and showed his cards.

1) Notes are absolutely essential. Are you using any tracking software? Even if you're not, you need to at least keep detailed notes on villains in spots like this. Understanding their tendencies and patterns is a huge part of winning the cash games.

2) As others have said - There's no value to this. One would suggest to just 4bet shove the flop and GII except that he wouldn't call that shove with anything other than hands that beat you. As it is, he's only making his reraise in the first place with hands that beat you. Your call and continuation of the hand after that on the flop is extremely questionable.

3) Now is where you just spew. He checks the turn after that and you bet like 47% of the pot? Of course he jammed over you and of course you were supposed to fold. You never even should have been in the hand at that point. Why on earth would you bet the turn like that and then call the shove?

4) It's not standard to "continuation bet" the turn less than 50%. You're thinking about cbetting the flop on an extremely dry board when you want villain to continue with everything worse. Not this scenario. Your turn bet is just pure spew. Again, then going and calling his shove after that is just atrocious. Make sure you really learn from this hand. Mishandling paired boards can make you look absolutely horrible and cost you a fortune fast. I seem to have totally kicked that habit very early on and it's only because I was getting raped in these situations right off the bat myself.

There's very minimal value in 3b the flop with this particular hand. You'll blow out bluffs, and only get it in with better Qx.

Flop is a very standard call, especially IP. In that case I would call flop, call turn and re-eval river.

As played, I think turn is almost a b/f with an 8 kicker. You're just crushed here so often and ppl aren't bluffing.