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    Hand 1 simple spot, I think flop c bet should be smaller, but I'm not sure if we should be c betting in the first place. Turn seems like a standard spot to give up and river seems standard.

    Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    CO: 122 BB (VPIP: 7.69, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 41)
    Hero (BTN): 153 BB
    SB: 119.5 BB (VPIP: 46.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
    BB: 106 BB (VPIP: 17.86, PFR: 3.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 29)
    UTG: 109 BB (VPIP: 27.66, PFR: 25.53, 3Bet Preflop: 15.38, Hands: 47)
    MP: 476.5 BB (VPIP: 25.82, PFR: 17.86, 3Bet Preflop: 5.97, Hands: 344)

    SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

    Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q K

    fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

    Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) J 2 2
    SB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, SB calls 5 BB

    Turn: (17 BB, 2 players) 2
    SB checks, Hero checks

    River: (17 BB, 2 players) 9
    SB bets 7 BB, fold,


    Just worrying about the river decision here, we are getting a pretty good price here, I'm leaning towards a fold, but really not sure. Villain has 8.33 aggression factor over 132 hands which makes me think a call might be better, but I don't honestly know how to view this stat or whether the sample size here is enough to make the stat relevant.

    Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    BB: 40 BB (VPIP: 54.84, PFR: 19.35, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
    UTG: 115 BB (VPIP: 19.78, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 91)
    MP: 105.5 BB (VPIP: 23.44, PFR: 22.66, 3Bet Preflop: 2.04, Hands: 132)
    Hero (CO): 133 BB
    BTN: 36.5 BB (VPIP: 31.58, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 78)
    SB: 60 BB (VPIP: 30.86, PFR: 23.46, 3Bet Preflop: 15.15, Hands: 82)

    SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

    Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 9

    fold, MP raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold

    Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 3 8 T
    MP checks, Hero checks

    Turn: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 6
    MP bets 3.5 BB, Hero calls 3.5 BB

    River: (14.5 BB, 2 players) 5
    MP bets 7 BB, fold,

    In this hand our villain has a 0% 3b over 123 hands. His 3b here is very small, so I am for sure calling with 99, as well as very many other hands. With his flop sizing I cant really go anywhere. On turn I feel like his range is HEAVILY weighted towards qq-kk and maybe JJ. Given this I think we can profitably fire two barrels with a large % of hands, but flush draws are definitely better candidates. Thoughts?

    Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    Hero (BTN): 297 BB
    SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.69, PFR: 21.85, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 123)
    BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
    UTG: 40 BB (VPIP: 32.00, PFR: 24.00, 3Bet Preflop: 13.33, Hands: 76)
    MP: 146.5 BB (VPIP: 40.43, PFR: 36.17, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 48)
    CO: 117.5 BB (VPIP: 29.73, PFR: 24.32, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 37)

    SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

    Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 9

    fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB raises to 9 BB, fold, Hero calls 6 BB

    Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) 5 8 7
    SB bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

    Turn: (37 BB, 2 players) A
    SB checks, Hero bets 23.5 BB, SB calls 23.5 BB

    River: (84 BB, 2 players) 7
    SB checks, Hero bets 255.5 BB and is all-in, fold,



    Turn spot here is confusing to me. I think my call is probably pretty bad, but at the time I thought it was unlikely villain would be betting two streets with K. Seems like most aces would be checking back flop. Not sure here.

    Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    BTN: 79 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 35.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 22)
    Hero (SB): 100 BB
    BB: 145.5 BB (VPIP: 55.56, PFR: 44.44, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 9)

    Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

    Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q 7

    fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

    Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 7 K 6
    Hero checks, BB bets 4.5 BB, Hero calls 4.5 BB

    Turn: (15 BB, 2 players) A
    Hero checks, BB bets 10.5 BB, Hero calls 10.5 BB

    River: (36 BB, 2 players) 3
    Hero checks, BB bets 15 BB, fold,
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    On the 99 hand I realize at higher stakes or against better opponents their turn checking range is likely to be more balanced and this might be bad.
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    KQo: flop seems fine, but I much prefer to size down on such a dry board where we're cbetting close to 100% I.e. Bluffing a ton. If villain is smart, he can float flops often and bluff river, but I wouldn't expect many to do that. Nobody is folding Jx either.

    Black 99: I think this is a clear, exploitative stab with a wide bluff range versus a check on this texture, expecting to generate instant profit (unless villain is one of those shit, unbalanced aggro donks that cbet all air and try to get tricky for value). I'd also bet to protect my equity here with the 99 part of my range. Calling river as played - we look weak and draws miss on the river. We also don't hold a diamond, so don't block villains bluffing range.

    99: turn is interesting. It's difficult for us to have much Ax given action, but villain obviously can't hand read. Given you bet turn, I think river is a mandatory bluff against his likely range. I think this may even be better with 99 than taking a free turn and then likely having to fold river.

    Q7: I don't like to have this weak of a hand for check calling and don't think check calling is > betting flop. What else are you check calling here?
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    H1. KQ cbet flop or check are both ok
    H2. 99 c/f flop, as played, fold turn
    H3. 99 raise flop/ no one is paying 9/6 turns unless realy bad. stack of flop if the case, do a stove and see why. as played check back turn.
    H4. seems a pretty loose open for SB/ b/f or c/f flop. c/c is -EV. fold turn as played
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    H2. 99 c/f flop, as played, fold turn
    Nah, not folding to a half pot stab with 2nd pair and gutshot after flop checks through. This is a really easy call. River is questionable, I think reads are important here.

    Agree with raz otherwise.
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    H1: Thanks I got it.

    H2: I don't think I like betting flop. I'm 3 betting tens, I'm not flatting with T8s or 33, all my overpairs are 3betting. I don't really have a ton of strong hands here. I'm literally only betting here with 88, QTs, KTs, ATs, QJs, and KJs.

    H3: I don't understand how raising flop/getting it in is good here when villain hasn't 3bet yet over 123 hands. If we give his range a bunch of flush draws he will get it in with I get it, but I could definitely see his 3b range here being something like QQ+ AK.

    H4: My default opening bvb range includes any ace, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+, T9o+, 98o, 22+, 23s+, 53s+, 63s+, 84s+, 95s+, any suited king, Q4s+, J6s+. This is 45% of hands and I do not think it is too much. My plan is to c/c 88-QQ K2s-K7s, all of my 7x and my 6x with bdfd or bdsd. Let me know why this is bad?
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    H2. we bet flop because like this we have fold equity+ 2outs/ checking gives him a free card which he is happy to take . you hate any diamond/ J/Q/K/A / turns. even our 2 outs arent so great, we will get in trouble sometimes when we hit and stack of.
    H3. because he seems so tight as a 3b, thats why we raise. when we raise he should fold AK/ and continue w/ NFD + QQ+/ being so tight he might even fold QQ/ so your fold equity+ 6outs + slight chance of backdoor flush give you enough reason to raise. we stack of because after we raised and he shoves flop, his range is most likely AKss/ QQ+ and with the dead money we have enough equity to call/ thats why i said stove it
    H4. SB is OOP and a very weak position, you should tighten your opening range. by checking on flop w/ those hands, like you said you do, BB gets to see 4 cards for 2bb w/ most of his preflop calling range which is a dream for every poker player

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    Renton said a fabulous thing in my opinion : " any time you are willingh to call a bet, you are better of betting yourselve"
    Yeah I mean this is true like 95% of the time, but this could be in the 5%. You should only c/c for value if you have reason to think villain is more likely to bet than call, and even then we should do it occasionally to mix it up, make us less predictable. If villain knows we only ever c/f, b/f, b/c or b/r this flop, he can bet whenever we check. We have to have some c/c, and this isn't a bad hand to do it with. But that assumes villain is paying attention to us and acting accordingly. His stats are solid so I'm going to assume he's more likely to be adjusting effectively, so yeah this could be a c/c. Not as a default, but because I think villain is more likely to bet after a check than call a bet. But a b/f is also fine, because as raz points out, there are a ton of runouts that make life uncomfortable.
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    Definitely need help there I do not understand any of that VPIP, MP, NTN, 3BF or any of that stuff on a poker tracker.
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    If you do have a poker tracker, IT explains what all that meams and how they calculate it . If not, online poker dictionary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bean Counter View Post
    KQo: flop seems fine, but I much prefer to size down on such a dry board where we're cbetting close to 100% I.e. Bluffing a ton. If villain is smart, he can float flops often and bluff river, but I wouldn't expect many to do that. Nobody is folding Jx either.

    Black 99: I think this is a clear, exploitative stab with a wide bluff range versus a check on this texture, expecting to generate instant profit (unless villain is one of those shit, unbalanced aggro donks that cbet all air and try to get tricky for value). I'd also bet to protect my equity here with the 99 part of my range. Calling river as played - we look weak and draws miss on the river. We also don't hold a diamond, so don't block villains bluffing range.

    99: turn is interesting. It's difficult for us to have much Ax given action, but villain obviously can't hand read. Given you bet turn, I think river is a mandatory bluff against his likely range. I think this may even be better with 99 than taking a free turn and then likely having to fold river.

    Q7: I don't like to have this weak of a hand for check calling and don't think check calling is > betting flop. What else are you check calling here?
    I pretty much agree 100%.

    Q7 hand I think cbetting and c/c are probably ok. I'd just fold the turn though.

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