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 Originally Posted by OngBonga
You didn't plan the hand very well either. By planning the hand, I mean betting such that we're not having to make overbets to get the money in. On the river, you had to overbet to shove. Had you bet a little more on the flop and turn, then your river shove would be under the pot. That's a more natural line to take with value hands. It wouldn't have made a difference here, largely because you were bluffing, and also because villain is really bad, but if you had AK vs 99 against a reasonably skilled player, for example, you might have got a fold on the river with this line that would have called if villain had better pot odds at the river.
This is another reason to be at least 100bb deep. You don't really have to think about this so much when you're deeper, because it's less likely you'll get all of the money in anyway, even if you want to.
Very interesting stuff. I have a question though, isn't overbetting on the river giving villain worse pot odds to call? I don't know alot about giving villain specific odds on the river like with all the bluff:value ratios OTR and how they tie in with balance. On this river we are giving villain roughly 2:1 , if the pot was large and we put less into the pot that would give him better pot odds to call? I google search and it says 1 bluff to ever 3 values so is that what you mean? we will be giving him those odds if we bet differently with a bigger stack against a competent opponent?
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