Assigning a 4bet shoving range to a complete unknown

Originally Posted by Lukie

I would probably call here but fold at most higher stakes (based on background probability, not the amount of money at stake.)

I don't understand this, it's probably a worse call at 10nl than it is at 100nl. You're literally never good here.

I also don't really see the point of 3betting JJ against a MP open.

Originally Posted by ImSavy

I don't understand this, it's probably a worse call at 10nl than it is at 100nl. You're literally never good here.

I disagree. Surely you must snap stuff like this off when you happen to have AA/KK and sometimes see stuff like QJo, J4s, KJs, 99. There's a high spaz factor at 10NL, and lots of easily tilted fish who will rage-spew. We have to give him some combos of spazz here when we see him sitting short and 4-bet shoving, I'm just not sure how many combos are appropriate.

I also don't really see the point of 3betting JJ against a MP open.

Don't quote me because I haven't checked the HH, but I do seem to remember the opener calls a lot of 3bets. Normally I'd be flatting JJ here.

Originally Posted by BorisTheSpider

I disagree. Surely you must snap stuff like this off when you happen to have AA/KK and sometimes see stuff like QJo, J4s, KJs, 99. There's a high spaz factor at 10NL, and lots of easily tilted fish who will rage-spew. We have to give him some combos of spazz here when we see him sitting short and 4-bet shoving, I'm just not sure how many combos are appropriate.

Very very few. If he is spazzing we can adjust but as far as you know he's just an unknown player.