Am I making the right move?

I agree raise flop, as there are to many weird draws on it

Originally Posted by PokerKing

Originally Posted by acg123

why not raise flop?

I agree raise flop, as there are to many weird draws on it

When someone asks you a question, be careful to not assume they were telling you something.

I think ACG wasn't telling you to raise the flop; he was asking you why you didn't raise the flop.

Here are some questions that need answering:
1) What are Villains' ranges going into the flop? / turn? / With what ranges do you think each Villain will call your shove?

2) Why did you flat call w/ 88 from the CO against a UTG open and MP cold call?

3) Why did you smooth call in position OTF?

4) Why did you raise OTT?

5) Why did you choose your bet sizing OTT as all-in?

Hi All,

Thanks for your feedback. I decided not to raise on the flop to get more chips in the hand. Also if someone is on a flush draw I would think I have to raise a lot to make them fold after the flop. I wanted to see a cheap turn and see if the flush came on the table. With the raise preflop I wouldn't put anyone on a hand like 5-7. I guess someone on a flush draw had a 40% chance of hitting the flush and a raise would not push them away.

On the turn I saw 2 largers bets and felt they were on a drawning hand, just bluffing or over pair and felt I hand a chance to make a good pot. If I was lucky one of them had an set smaller than mine and drawing to 1 out. So that's why I decided to shove all in. I felt that I was in the lead with the ranges I put them on and would be going all in with the best hand. I also though if they folded that's a good size pot considering the level I'm playing at.

MadMojoMonkey, I will take your advise and avoid posting the results. I will also provide more details about my thought process when posting a hand history. I'm new to this forum thing and posting hand history. I like to keep this thread running with better examples in the future.

Originally Posted by PJfan10

Hi All, Thanks for your feedback.

Hi. Thanks for posting. Keep it up!

Originally Posted by PJfan10

I decided not to raise on the flop to get more chips in the hand.

In general, if you want more chips in the pot, then you should bet/raise when it's your turn. You should avoid closing the action.

Originally Posted by PJfan10

Also if someone is on a flush draw I would think I have to raise a lot to make them fold after the flop.

This is exactly why you should raise. You have the best hand and you think they will not fold.
(If playing deep-stack poker) you should bet 1 BB less than the amount you think they will fold. You want to get as much money in the pot as fast as you can.

Originally Posted by PJfan10

I wanted to see a cheap turn and see if the flush came on the table.

YOU SHOULD NOT WANT THIS. You aren't the one with the flush draw!
You should bet in such a way that even when the flush draw comes in, you still win money by exploiting the amount they payed for the draw. In the long run, they will miss more than they hit, and you want to be on the winning side of the long-term.

Originally Posted by PJfan10

With the raise preflop I wouldn't put anyone on a hand like 5-7. I guess someone on a flush draw had a 40% chance of hitting the flush and a raise would not push them away.

These are reasons to bet/raise.

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Originally Posted by PJfan10

On the turn I saw 2 largers bets and felt they were on a drawning hand, just bluffing or over pair and felt I hand a chance to make a good pot. If I was lucky one of them had an set smaller than mine and drawing to 1 out. So that's why I decided to shove all in. I felt that I was in the lead with the ranges I put them on and would be going all in with the best hand.

This is decent reasoning.

What are these ranges you speak of?

Originally Posted by PJfan10

I also though if they folded that's a good size pot considering the level I'm playing at.

You want to maximize your wins and/or minimize your losses on every decision. It's not about the size of the pot you win in any one hand, it's about making every decision a net gain (or at least not a net loss).

When you settle for a pot that could have been bigger, then you're costing your own bottom line.

Originally Posted by PJfan10

MadMojoMonkey, I will take your advise and avoid posting the results. I will also provide more details about my thought process when posting a hand history. I'm new to this forum thing and posting hand history. I like to keep this thread running with better examples in the future.

It's all good. Please take my advice as friendly.

I know I can sound like a monkey sometimes, but I mean well.

Welcome to FTR!

nice hand to make your first post with!
preflop looks good, raise flop.

Originally Posted by PJfan10

I decided not to raise on the flop to get more chips in the hand. Also if someone is on a flush draw I would think I have to raise a lot to make them fold after the flop.

in this spot the best way to get more chips in is to bet/raise/bet/raise whenever you get the chance.
when you raise you aren't trying to make them fold their flush draws, you size it so that any call that they make is incorrect. That's how you win dollars in poker.
Keep posting hands like these and you'll learn a lot!

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

I think ACG wasn't telling you to raise the flop; he was asking you why you didn't raise the flop.

exactly. just wanted to know why so passive, and OP answered with "I decided not to raise on the flop to get more chips in the hand" which is counter-intuitive. if you want more money you have to put it out there, I don't mind a squeeze preflop, we have position and stacks are deep enough that we can 3b/fold to shove. or call a shove depends how your games run, if people only 4bet the top-top of their range then calling pre is better. so you flat pre and now flop a set.

on the flop you should always be raising here, I mean your at the top of your range theres not a better spot to do it. your thinking is logical but in the long run will work against you with 2 villains, if you were HU with UTG then flatting flop is standard but with MP in there you have to raise and get value for your set to make up for the times you call pre and the flop comes AK9,ATT,AJ9 etc. and are forced to fold. as played I guess jamming turn is only option left really, I still don't like it I feel like were letting our villains "catch up" by not raising flop. you giving them free cards basically and I don't like giving anything away, especially cards on wet flop textures. as played is ok, but next time squeeze pre or raise flop.