2nl - QJ w/ turned top pair wtf do i do

Winning Poker Network - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): $5.18
BTN: $1.23
SB: $1.86
BB: $1.82
UTG: $3.75
MP: $1.12

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has Q J

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.06, BTN calls $0.06, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.15, 2 players) 8 4 3
Hero bets $0.10, BTN calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.35, 2 players) J
Hero bets $0.22, BTN raises to $0.44, Hero calls $0.22

River: ($1.23, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.63 and is all-in Hero???

Villain was spewy and a bit of a blufftard. I had been in a couple of pots with him earlier where he bluffed river just like this in a similar situation and I called and won the pot. Villain was running @ 37/13/0 over 249 hands.

On the turn, you need to decide whether you're going to get it in or not. If you're not, then you should fold. If you are, then you should take the line that you think gets the most value. Given the description of Villain, I think the line that gets you the most value would be calling the turn and checking the river to give him another chance to bluff.

On a more general note, any time you make a bet, you need to think about what you're going to do if you face a raise before you make that bet. You don't need to plan for him calling since you don't know what the next card is going to be, and you don't need to plan for him folding since there's nothing to plan for. As far as planning goes before making a bet, facing a raise is the only thing you should be considering every single time, and a failure to do so is not only a major planning mistake, it's the only way to make a planning mistake.

As played, the river is an easy call. You only need to win something like 25 percent of the time for a call to be correct, and it's clear from your description of your opponent that you're going to.

Fantastic information here. Thank you. I've seen/heard people pound the drum of "always make decisions this street with the next street in mind", but nobody's emphasized how preparing to handle a raise is the most important part of planning...and then explained why. I appreciate it.

Here's how it played out:

River: ($1.23, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.63 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.63

Hero shows Q J (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 13%, Flop 3%, Turn 11%)
BTN shows K K (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 87%, Flop 97%, Turn 89%)
BTN wins $2.37

Well congrats to him for playing KK about the worst possible f'ing way he could. Your EV appreciates his donation to the cause.

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Well congrats to him for playing KK about the worst possible f'ing way he could. Your EV appreciates his donation to the cause.

LOL...indeed. Yeah, I wanted to post this hand because it got me in a tough spot there but I knew you guys were going to /facepalm when you saw what villain had. These 2nl and 5nl donks are unbelievable.

Just for your satisfaction, I got it all back from Moby Dick a few hands later...

Winning Poker Network - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): $4.13
SB: $1.51
BB: $2.24
UTG: $1.94
MP: $2.00
CO: $2.06

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has 7 7

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.06, SB calls $0.05, fold

Flop: ($0.14, 2 players) 7 J K
SB bets $0.07, Hero calls $0.07

Turn: ($0.28, 2 players) 3
SB bets $0.18, Hero calls $0.18

River: ($0.64, 2 players) K
SB bets $0.30, Hero raises to $3.82 and is all-in, SB calls $0.90 and is all-in

Hero shows 7 7 (Full House, Sevens full of Kings) (Pre 53%, Flop 93%, Turn 100%)
SB shows 9 K (Three of a Kind, Kings) (Pre 47%, Flop 7%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins $2.89

Raise flop, raise turn, etc.

Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Raise flop, raise turn, etc.

Well, my rationale behind call, call shove was that I didn't want to put him off the hand. I was hoping he would keep betting with his top pair or top two pair, etc. The fact that he rivered trips on the same card that gave me a full house was just perfect. when he laid out the 1/2 pot river bet, I knew he had the k and just shoved for value knowing he would come along for the ride.