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    His vpip by position is ep 22 / mp 13 / co 18 / btn 24 / sb 20 / bb 22 , most of it should be 5 or 6 players as i don't usually sit if the tables break up.

    I don't really know how to use the filters so i'm unsure how to filter by position and number of players at the table. Id appreciate if you could tell me how to do that on Hem 2 though.


    I could of raised i'm not sure why i didn't at the time but bb having to act probably had something to do with it i would assume i was allowing him to call or raise on the flop maybe a bad idea on such a wet board to allow him to call ?


    Thanks for the help.
    Last edited by AceVentura; 07-16-2015 at 04:10 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AceVentura View Post
    His vpip by position is ep 22 / mp 13 / co 18 / btn 24 / sb 20 / bb 22 , most of it should be 5 or 6 players as i don't usually sit if the tables break up.
    Oh wow. So he isn't really positionally aware. He is playing the same range from all positions, but not to all opening bets.

    24 from BTN, and 22 from EP? That's a major leak. BTN range should be ~2 times wider than CO. Ranges should get tighter again for each seat off the button. This is not the same for the blinds. Their dead money in the pot gives them better calling odds, blah blah.

    You described this player as "solid." He's not solid, he's "rigid." He's button mashing PRE.

    Back on topic:
    We can be fairly sure about the 22% range that he's showing for BTN, SB, BB, UTG.
    This means he's probably playing all his PP's all the time. I suspect this player finds it hard to fold any double broadway hand. These two bits of info get us up to 18% of all hands already. Add in all the suited Ax, and we're at that magical 20%. The rest of his range is going to come down to his personal feelings on playing suited Kx or playing suited connectors.

    Here's one way it could work out:
    { 22+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,J9s+,T8s+,98s,87s,76s,ATo+,KTo+ ,QTo+,JTo }

    Now that you have an estimate for his range (from all positions) do you still feel like he's making "disciplined" lay-downs?

    Quote Originally Posted by AceVentura View Post
    I don't really know how to use the filters so i'm unsure how to filter by position and number of players at the table. Id appreciate if you could tell me how to do that on Hem 2 though.
    I'm sure someone on FTR knows how to do that, but I don't.

    No worries, though. We've got our info.

    Quote Originally Posted by AceVentura View Post
    I could of raised i'm not sure why i didn't at the time but bb having to act probably had something to do with it i would assume i was allowing him to call or raise on the flop maybe a bad idea on such a wet board to allow him to call ?
    I was just asking why you did what you did. I did not mean to imply that what you did was incorrect.

    If you're not sure now, though.... that's something I would work on. It's fine to act off of intuition when you're under a time crunch. After the fact, if I'm still unsure of what motivated me to a certain choice, then I take that as a red flag to study that choice. This sets me up to make a more informed decision next time I face that choice.

    If you called PRE because you wanted action from a fishy blind, then I don't hate the call. I think in the greater context of your range OTF, you should be favoring your ability to win a big stack off the pre-flop raiser.

    For the purposes of this discussion, I'm going to assume that your call OTF was fine. I suspect that a raise is most profitable for the spot and your range, but simply ignoring the 2nd Villain simplifies the analysis.

    Quote Originally Posted by AceVentura View Post
    Thanks for the help.


    So we assume something like this for Villain's range PRE:
    { 22+,A2s+,KTs+,QTs+,J9s+,T8s+,98s,87s,76s,ATo+,KTo+ ,QTo+,JTo }
    If there's a surprise at showdown, then learn from that surprise by taking a note.

    He has a flop C-bet of 71%.
    This does not mean that he will C-bet 71% of his range on all flops. It kinda indicates that's a good ballpark to look at, though.

    What hands in his range do you think he C-bets the flop with?

    It may seem tedious, but these are the kinds of questions we need to answer to figure out Villain's range to x/r OTT.
    What's your best guess for his range to x/r OTT?

    You asked if you should shove to his x/r. We need to speculate his range to make the x/r and also his range to call your shove. Once we have those, it's simply a bit of math to answer your question of whether or not to shove. (I'll do the math, no worries.)

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