whenever I slow play... I kick myself after (2/5 pounds)

-BB in this hand is a solid player and this 3-bet is definitely more likely a solid raising hand than a squeeze (especially given that I am raising UTG)
-Button in this hand I perceived to be a big passive fish who was running like 45/12 at the time (small sample)
-I called preflop since I knew fish would call behind, and the only real question was whether to push or call flop. I called flop because I wanted to keep the fish in for one more street
-turn card is blah.. and now I'm kinda in a confusing spot. I think BB has AK/AA and its possible he has a high club... passive fish can have anything...


Cryptologic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$5
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $855.75
Button: $1177.50
SB: $632.20
BB: $553.55

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is UTG with
Hero raises to $20, Button calls, SB folds, BB raises to $67, Hero calls, Button calls.

Flop: ($203, 3 players)
BB bets $185, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: ($758, 3 players)
BB is all-in $301.55, Hero what to do.. with player behind still? (fish and I have about 604 left in stacks)

I dont see how we can fold this getting nearly 3:1. We dont need much more than that even if we KNOW a flush is out there so you dont need to be ahead very often to make it a call.

Originally Posted by Pelion

I dont see how we can fold this getting nearly 3:1. We dont need much more than that even if we KNOW a flush is out there so you dont need to be ahead very often to make it a call.

haha.. oh don't worry.. if people haven't realized from all my posts, my fold button does not work. Folding was not happening here (though if ppl think thats the best play, I'd like to hear it)

I guess the question was whether a call or push is better in this spot, and also how good/bad the idea of flatting the flop is to keep fish in?

well if you dont fold i think you have to push with so little behind. There are too many shitty river cards for us. There are way fewer cards that improve our hand AND get us value than there are cards that ruin our hand or our action.

edit: tbh I didnt really think of calling. it seems to be about a million times worse than the other 2 options on a board like this.

man thats a crap turn. hmmmm, i think a smallish flop raise like 2.5x wouldve been good cause it probably keeps the fish in w/ FD's and maybe a K, depending how bad he is. and i doubt BB folds AA/AK ever here.

as played, like pelion said ur getting great odds. i think the only thing to do here is shove.

you have to shove over here. Your getting 3.5:1 on a call but like pelion said there are too many river cards we dont want to see.

i like the flop call and yeah you shove the turn now

shove>call>fold