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  1. #1

    Default Unsure on turn action

    This hand just occured and im thinking that I should be able to fold the turn. My flop play was probably the worse as I was hoping the chronic calling station left to act would call with some crappy 10x hand or pretty much any 2.

    I think the turn should be a fold?


    No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Hero (Button) ($128.17)
    SB ($59.13)
    BB ($101.26)
    UTG ($4.32)
    MP ($61.20)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with 6, 6
    UTG calls $0.50, MP bets $2.25, Hero calls $2.25, 1 fold, BB calls $1.75, UTG calls $1.75

    Flop: ($9.25) 6, 2, 10 (4 players)
    BB checks, UTG bets $2.07 (All-In), MP raises $10.14, Hero calls $10.14, 1 fold

    Turn: ($31.60) K (3 players, 1 all-in)
    MP bets $19.50, Hero raises $115.78 (All-In), MP calls $29.31 (All-In)

    River: ($129.22) 4 (3 players, 3 all-in)

    Total pot: $129.22
    Main pot: $15.46 between Hero, UTG and MP, won by MP
    Side pot 1: $113.76 between Hero and MP, won by MP

    Results:
    Hero had 6, 6 (three of a kind, sixes).
    UTG didn't show
    MP had K, K (three of a kind, Kings).
    Outcome: MP won $126.22
  2. #2
    It's just when the original raiser raises the short stack, I don't think he is ever doing this with AK, but obv 1010-AA.
    On the turn I don't think he ever bets QQ or JJ. I don't think calling myself is great due to the SPR on the river, so I really only beat AA.

    edit: I guess AQcc and AKcc etc hmmm I guess it was fine then

    Or am I being too results orientated?
  3. #3
    you're being results oriented

    just re-raise flop
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    Edit to take out the results and ask yourself if you'd have posted this if he'd flipped something like KQ
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  5. #5
    If you give him the tightest possible range of AA/KK/1010, this is still not a fold due to combinatrics.
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Alexos
    you're being results oriented

    just re-raise flop
    BB is massive CS, keeping him in with 10x and other shit is surely best.
  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Luke999
    BB is massive CS
    Say this in OP then, if its relevant to how you played the hand.

    As played, folding the turn is completely absurd.
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  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24
    Quote Originally Posted by Luke999
    BB is massive CS
    Say this in OP then, if its relevant to how you played the hand.

    As played, folding the turn is completely absurd.
    I did, "keep the massive calling station left to act in"
  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by Luke999
    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24
    Quote Originally Posted by Luke999
    BB is massive CS
    Say this in OP then, if its relevant to how you played the hand.

    As played, folding the turn is completely absurd.
    I did, "keep the massive calling station left to act in"
    my bad!... but still don't fold turn!

    MP can definitely have hands like KQcc, KJcc, AQcc, AJcc, QJcc, AA, maybe even KT, 222,all of which will bet the turn again. AK is even possible here, if he was trying to raise to take the dead money. Think of their entire ranges and hand combinations. The number of hand combos that you beat is waaaay bigger than the combos of hands that beat you (TTT and KKK)
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay-Z
    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  11. #11
    Yeah, normally I'd scoff at anybody saying folding this, its just with a tight player raising a limper and then raising when the limper was all in, with 2 people left to act, I gave him a very narrow range, but obviously this is wrong.

    Thanks for input anyway.

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