Top pair oop vs fish on coordinated board-100nl

[shakesss]

Villain is 74/26 fish. Only 36 hands on him. He seemed spewy and spazzy. He had raised 3 cb's out of 5 during the short time he was at the table(including this, none went to sd). I wasnt too sure what to make of the min raise on this board. I felt he could be doing it with a lot of pair plus gutshot hands. Can i put enough of those in his range to make shoving the turn profitable or should i just fold. I assume he would raise bigger with a set or two pair on the flop given the flop texture, but hes a fish and might not be thinking that way.

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($102.95)
SB ($178.45)
BB ($107.35)
UTG ($109.10)
Hero (MP) ($107.35)
CO ($92.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J, K
1 fold, Hero bets $4, CO calls $4, 3 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 8, 7, J (2 players)
Hero bets $7, CO raises $14, Hero calls $7

Turn: ($37.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $37.50, Hero ???

[Carroters]

Even though he seems spazzy, I'm folding this turn. I think he can show up with a set or two pair pretty often, maybe AJ aswell here. I feel that having min raised the flop with a meginal pair + draw hand or whatever he'd continue by betting a lot less than this on the turn. This sizing looks a lot like a big hand trying to protect/shove a lot of money in given the board is somewhat coordinated and not so much like fish bluff sizing.

[shakesss]

Thanks for the insight man. What really got me thinking about this hand was that I think he would play his value hands and his semi bluff hands the same way. Thats what happens in these spots outta position i guess. Opponents can play pretty perfectly against us with a balanced range.

[gabe]

hes crazy and spazzy so i would reraise the flop and go allin on the turn

[oskar]

I b/c flop, call turn, call any river and shove river if he checks.
I don't hate a flop 3b, but I want to give him a chance to bluff the turn and don't want to give him a chance to fold JT, JQ...
And wtf @ folding the nuts 100 deep against this guy. His range is mostly Jx.

[gabe]

I b/c flop, call turn, call any river and shove river if he checks.
I don't hate a flop 3b, but I want to give him a chance to bluff the turn and don't want to give him a chance to fold JT, JQ...
And wtf @ folding the nuts 100 deep against this guy. His range is mostly Jx.

if his range is mostly Jx (or 89 type), and we know he sucks, then hes not going to fold them to a reraise and he is not going to have pure bluffs enough where we want to 'trap' him by just calling

[oskar]

if his range is mostly Jx (or 89 type), and we know he sucks, then hes not going to fold them to a reraise and he is not going to have pure bluffs enough where we want to 'trap' him by just calling

I disagree. I occasionally 3b bluff people who I know habitually c/minraise any TP hand because they think of it as somewhat of an 'information raise' and would almost never continue against a 3b. If you call he will probably bet the turn for value with those hands and think he's too deep into it to fold on the river.

[gabe]

I disagree. I occasionally 3b bluff people who I know habitually c/minraise any TP hand because they think of it as somewhat of an 'information raise' and would almost never continue against a 3b. If you call he will probably bet the turn for value with those hands and think he's too deep into it to fold on the river.

yea well the villain is not one of the people you are referring to

[shakesss]

This was really early on in the session maybe 20 hands or so and he had min raised before but it never went to showdown so i didn't know how he was reacting to aggression. When he min raised this board and the turn bricked I just couldn't find a fold and shipped over his turn bet coz i didn't think he would fold any top pair hand or middle pair with a gut shot. Thanks for the advice and insight guys. I appreciate it.

[griffey24]

I disagree. I occasionally 3b bluff people who I know habitually c/minraise any TP hand because they think of it as somewhat of an 'information raise' and would almost never continue against a 3b..

Hmmm maybe its just me, but really the only players that are doing this top pair minraise nonsense are whales and fish. And those players are DEFINITELY not folding to a 3bet on the flop here, especially if we make it kinda small.

I'd say its much more likely that if we call this minraise to a fish, that he checks back the next street or something, than if we 3bet and he calls and calls at least another street.

In this case, if he's that spazzy and we've seen him barrel bluff then I don't mind calling. But if he's that spazzy, he might just ship 89, JT type stuff over a small 3bet anyhow.

[BooG690]

Do we have any reads on his reaction to aggression? I've seen spewy players fire three barrels with air but fold to aggression. This player seems to be one of those players. I'm putting a lot of air in his range and would more than likely with Oskar's line.

I'm never folding this.

[oskar]

I just think we can make it easier for him to get his stack in with three easy payments instead of one complicated one. If we were 120+ deep and/or OOP, I would like a 3b a lot more.
No, I obviously wouldn't 3b bluff this guy, but that doesn't mean that he would never raise tpnk 'for information' and then timeout/fold to a 3b.

[gabe]

I just think we can make it easier for him to get his stack in with three easy payments instead of one complicated one. If we were 120+ deep and/or OOP, I would like a 3b a lot more.
No, I obviously wouldn't 3b bluff this guy, but that doesn't mean that he would never raise tpnk 'for information' and then timeout/fold to a 3b.

first you said "I occasionally 3b bluff people who I know habitually c/minraise any TP hand because they think of it as somewhat of an 'information raise' and would almost never continue against a 3b"

and now you say that you would obv not 3b bluff this guy?? your statements dont match up

[oskar]

Ok I suck at explaining myself, and for some reason I thought we were IP.
OOP it's an obvious 3b