Standard check fold against solid tag?

villain is a solid winning tag. pretty standard line here? i think i should have raised more preflop.

***** Hand History for Game 4258239712 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, May 13, 11:44:04 ET 2006
Table Table 106634 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: RickyButler ( $191.73 )
Seat 5: SmackinYaUp ( $276.05 )
Seat 2: gene_frenkle ( $94.86 )
Seat 4: hess_n_ness ( $201.95 )
Seat 1: Fenixx111 ( $389.57 )
Seat 6: colbymules ( $93.50 )
SmackinYaUp posts small blind [$1].
colbymules posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to SmackinYaUp [ Kd Kh ]
Fenixx111 folds.
gene_frenkle calls [$2].
RickyButler calls [$2].
hess_n_ness calls [$2].
SmackinYaUp raises [$11].
>You have options at Table 106635 (No DP) Table!.
colbymules calls [$10].
gene_frenkle calls [$10].
>You have options at Table 107392 Table!.
RickyButler calls [$10].
hess_n_ness folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7d, 4h, 3s ]
SmackinYaUp bets [$30].
colbymules folds.
gene_frenkle folds.
RickyButler calls [$30].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8s ]
SmackinYaUp checks.
RickyButler is all-In [$149.73]
SmackinYaUp folds.
RickyButler does not show cards.
RickyButler wins $256.73

Not sure, flop does look like set heaven though. I get stacked here unless the guy is a total nit. Your turn check could have induced a bluff or a hand like 99 pushing thinking you have AK.

BTW, I was watching a friend of mine 3-table 200nl and saw you at one of his tables. His handle was PeeringGaze and you and one other guy gave him a lot of shit for when he sucked out with QQ on the river saying he can't fold an overpair. He is probably one of the best 200nl players on party and you should be avoiding his tables if you can.

nh

Originally Posted by aislephive

Not sure, flop does look like set heaven though. I get stacked here unless the guy is a total nit. Your turn check could have induced a bluff or a hand like 99 pushing thinking you have AK.

BTW, I was watching a friend of mine 3-table 200nl and saw you at one of his tables. His handle was PeeringGaze and you and one other guy gave him a lot of shit for when he sucked out with QQ on the river saying he can't fold an overpair. He is probably one of the best 200nl players on party and you should be avoiding his tables if you can.

Nah, I wasn't giving him shit. I was giving shit to the other guy who said "why would you ever fold an overpair" and I was being sarcastic in response to that guy when I said "yea lolzz why would anyone ever fold an overpair??"

His calldown with the overpair wasn't that bad because his opponent in the hand was re-raising him and playing at him really hard before that if I remember correctly.

I never berate a fishy play. Even if it is the most annoying suckout ever. The worst I will say is "good play."

But back to the hand in question, I don't think anyone would want to push with a hand like nines because why would you push the turn if someone is on missed overs? If your read is correct, then you're only letting them draw to about 6 outs on the river and a push isn't going to make any money; it will only lose money when you're wrong. I think the villain knows this, but I could be completely wrong. He claimed to have two pair after the hand, but I don't know.

lol AP showed me this thread, though I'd reply. That guy was really on my balls almost every hand, I think he may have just been a heater because in the three hands that got showed down he showed two sets and QQ for an OP.

But I don't think I'm that great, just play, make mistakes, learn from them and move on.

But with that hand its a funny bet on the turn after you check to him, I dont know what he expects will call unless he puts you on an over pair. It seems like he doesnt want a call, but the hand gives me a sick feeling and I really think if you call there he'll show you a better hand.

I'd give him a lot more credit if you bet the turn and he moved on you since it would definately seem like he's looking to stack QQ+.

I probably puke and fold wondering if I just got moved off the best hand. Ricky was at one of my tables too and I didn't have much of a read on him as I never really played a pot vs him but he gave me the impression of a tighter quieter player. Actually his turn push here was actually surprising to me when I saw it was him in the hand for that reason.

Not many hands play this way other than two pair or a set, so this is a pretty standard fold.

It looks like he doesn't want a call, but a lot of players freak out with two pair (his most likely holding, I think) thinking their hand is vulnerable and just want to win the pot immediately. I might even play it the same way if I turned two pair.

Hey, its good to see you post here peering! You should definitely stick around and share your experience. I'm still somewhat new to 200NL so its cool to have more of you who play at or have graduated from 200.

And to both of you, I folded thinking along the same lines. 2pair does make a lot of sense and I would play it the same way except I'd probably have raised the flop. I always get screwed with 2pair so I'm always happy to get as much money in as early as possible. It was hard to put him on any particular hand, but I just had the feeling I was beat here. Especially since the reistance was coming from this fairly quiet player.

SmackinYaUp raises [$11].

What's your raising range there?

Originally Posted by johnny_fish

SmackinYaUp raises [$11].

What's your raising range there?

I'd have to say AA-99, AKo, AKs, AQs, and AQo. With the lower end of things, I'd sometimes raise more and try to knock some of the limpers out. Well, actually I need to raise more no matter what.

I'm much tighter with the cbet though depending on how many people stay in. Being out of position with a big pot sucks.

Originally Posted by SmackinYaUp

Originally Posted by aislephive

Not sure, flop does look like set heaven though. I get stacked here unless the guy is a total nit. Your turn check could have induced a bluff or a hand like 99 pushing thinking you have AK.

BTW, I was watching a friend of mine 3-table 200nl and saw you at one of his tables. His handle was PeeringGaze and you and one other guy gave him a lot of shit for when he sucked out with QQ on the river saying he can't fold an overpair. He is probably one of the best 200nl players on party and you should be avoiding his tables if you can.

Nah, I wasn't giving him shit. I was giving shit to the other guy who said "why would you ever fold an overpair" and I was being sarcastic in response to that guy when I said "yea lolzz why would anyone ever fold an overpair??"

His calldown with the overpair wasn't that bad because his opponent in the hand was re-raising him and playing at him really hard before that if I remember correctly.

I never berate a fishy play. Even if it is the most annoying suckout ever. The worst I will say is "good play."

But back to the hand in question, I don't think anyone would want to push with a hand like nines because why would you push the turn if someone is on missed overs? If your read is correct, then you're only letting them draw to about 6 outs on the river and a push isn't going to make any money; it will only lose money when you're wrong. I think the villain knows this, but I could be completely wrong. He claimed to have two pair after the hand, but I don't know.

Yeah well I couldn't tell if you were being sarcastic or not, I can certainly see it now though. Looking back at this hand if I saw him as a solid player I would probably fold. I still would rather bet and fold to a raise than to check/fold since you may have induced a worse hand to bet where as if you bet and get raised it's obvious he has you beat since bluffing there would be horrible.

Yea, sorry if I came off like that at the tables. It would probably have been better to PM me or say it at the tables than mention it out here in front of everyone since it ended up just being a misunderstanding. But, no harm done.

What do you think would be a good bet size? The pot was $110 on the turn, so it could get pretty ugly if I do fire again.

I haven't seen too much of you on Party yet, how often are you playing 200nl? Are you like jumping from 100nl-200nl lots? Just curious. The 200nl games on party are incredibly soft and 100nl probably is the same level of players except they have more money, lol.

I think a turn bet of like 60-65 leaves you enough room to lay down if he pushes and he has to expect a call from you so a bluff would be dubious. Just my two cents on the hand.

Originally Posted by aislephive

I haven't seen too much of you on Party yet, how often are you playing 200nl? Are you like jumping from 100nl-200nl lots? Just curious. The 200nl games on party are incredibly soft and 100nl probably is the same level of players except they have more money, lol.

I think a turn bet of like 60-65 leaves you enough room to lay down if he pushes and he has to expect a call from you so a bluff would be dubious. Just my two cents on the hand.

I agree, 60-65 and you can still get away from it.

The level of play at NL100/200 is pretty much the same, is what I've found after 20k hands at each. You'll run into a *little* bit better competition overall.....but not by much.

Hmm..interesting thoughts. I'll have to get used to making bigger turn bets when I'm not too sure where I'm at. The problem for me is just being a puss and sometimes not laying down when I've got such a big pot in front of me.

Yea, 200NL is super soft. I've just been playing 200NL at party for about 2 weeks and played it before at a PR skin for a couple weeks. It is pretty damn easy minus a couple of tight, avoidable regulars.

Originally Posted by SmackinYaUp

Hmm..interesting thoughts. I'll have to get used to making bigger turn bets when I'm not too sure where I'm at. The problem for me is just being a puss and sometimes not laying down when I've got such a big pot in front of me.

Yea, 200NL is super soft. I've just been playing 200NL at party for about 2 weeks and played it before at a PR skin for a couple weeks. It is pretty damn easy minus a couple of tight, avoidable regulars.

I notice that there are 1-2 regulars there aside from myself at your average table, most regulars are not very good, easy to exploit.

I think that even with half your stack in you aren't nessicarilly "committed." Especially there where you could be drawing dead or to two outs.

What's your name on there? You too UG. If you don't want to say on the forum, I completely understand.

I think a check is fine. All you have is an overpair (which should be obvious to your opponent, yet he still calls on the flop), and the board suggests numerous possible sets and two pair combinations as well as a possible straight. I prefer checking to give my opponent the opportunity to bet, at which point I can make a read based on the size of his bet, and then proceed from there.

In general, when your opponent calls you on a coordinated board with middle / small cards, and then another coordinated card hits, I think it's best to proceed cautiously with one pair.

I am NineHighFTW on party.