To raise... or to wait to raise...

That is the question. original pf raiser has been playing very lagg, explaining my preflop call. cold caller is solid.

PokerStars Game #7053165085: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/11/16 - 20:22:28 (ET)
Table 'Echo II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: fightingnuns ($46.80 in chips)
Seat 2: NJ_devs87 ($65.70 in chips)
Seat 3: larryab ($34.05 in chips)
Seat 4: thatpfunk ($57 in chips)
Seat 5: windowbobby ($97.50 in chips)
Seat 6: redgrape ($72.20 in chips)
fightingnuns: posts small blind $0.25
NJ_devs87: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [Jh Qc]
larryab: folds
thatpfunk: raises $1.50 to $2
windowbobby: folds
redgrape: calls $2
fightingnuns: folds
NJ_devs87: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [Js Jc Qd]
NJ_devs87: checks
thatpfunk: checks
redgrape: bets $3
NJ_devs87: calls $3
thatpfunk: folds
*** TURN *** [Js Jc Qd] [9d]
NJ_devs87: checks
redgrape: bets $6
NJ_devs87: raises $12 to $18
redgrape: ????

I think maximizing expectation orders a raise. I think, without doing the math to get the exact potsize, you should make it around 35-40 and let him push over.
Pushing is fine too. You get called by AJ, a straight, 99, etc etc.

I'd reraise him to $36 and hope he pushes over. If you shove he can still get away.

he has either AJs, KTs, or KJs imo, id make it 38 and push any river.

Originally Posted by Warpe

If you shove he can still get away.

shit.

Originally Posted by Warpe

I'd reraise him to $36 and hope he pushes over. If you shove he can still get away.

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

original pf raiser has been playing very lagg, explaining my preflop call

but does that explain your preflop call?

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Originally Posted by Warpe

If you shove he can still get away.

shit.

...happens. I know, you look back at these and wish you'd slowplayed, but you've got to try to strike a balance by raising him an amount he can call with a lesser hand. Nothing wrong with shoving, 'cause you'll get called a lot, but I like letting the fish get the bait down a little deeper before I yank on the line.

Originally Posted by gabe

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

original pf raiser has been playing very lagg, explaining my preflop call

but does that explain your preflop call?

isn't it good to call laggs with top pair meh kicker hands like QJ because of how much they spew into you when you hit a pair on the flop?

This is why 1/2 pot flop bets suck.

Even if you bet just $4 on flop. Now with 1 caller pot is $14, instead of $12. Turn bet $8, he raises to $24, villain now has 1/2 his stack committed instead of 1/3 of his stack. Maybe he can't get away from the push anymore?

Then again, maybe villain only played that way because the bets did look so weak and he knew he could get away...

renton: everyone has their own way of fighting them, i dont think theres a right answer rly. maybe debating reraising/ calling/ folding preflop would be helpful. personally, i like reraising often on the button vs them, and if im calling its because i have a hand with implied odds, which i dont think QJo does. assuming they are going to spew chips into you with your top pair is probably a bad assumption too.

swiggidy, good post

Originally Posted by gabe

personally, i like reraising often on the button vs them

I do this often as well, but I find that they call me lightly and I have trouble knowing where I am at. This results in big swings vs these players postflop, so I began to think that simply calling with hands that flop well (like QJ) was better.

I think what you are saying is that whenever you have a hand that beats their raising range (such as AT or something), you reraise, and if they call lightly they are making a bad call equity wise, and then you are depending on your ability to play postflop with position.

also reraising should tighten up their raising range, so you have more chances to isolate fish yourself

I normally mix up calling a reraising light versus them. But the truth is I wanted to call to keep him firing, he was spewing a lot.

Originally Posted by Renton

Originally Posted by gabe

personally, i like reraising often on the button vs them

I do this often as well, but I find that they call me lightly and I have trouble knowing where I am at. This results in big swings vs these players postflop, so I began to think that simply calling with hands that flop well (like QJ) was better.

I think what you are saying is that whenever you have a hand that beats their raising range (such as AT or something), you reraise, and if they call lightly they are making a bad call equity wise, and then you are depending on your ability to play postflop with position.

I also have a problem with this postflop against laggs when I reraise them preflop. Very hard to gauge where you're at.

haven't read other replies yet so hope I don't just repeat everything that's been said

he prob has a straight : just shove so the board doesn'T dbl pair or some garbage... Call the flop raise the turn is a STRONG fucking line.