QQ coldcalling reraise pre, flopping overpair, shitty spot.

Opener is pretty nitty, like 17/12. Villain is solid aggressive 23/20 tag. No real history at this point.


POKERSTARS GAME #8909263041: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($2/$4) - 2007/03/15 - 02:19:31 (ET)
Table 'Kunigunde' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Nite54Ryder ($245 in chips)
Seat 2: -GeT Loo$e- ($864.20 in chips)
Seat 3: slothwear ($65.80 in chips)
Seat 4: contriboy ($297.20 in chips)
Seat 5: Renton555 ($396 in chips)
Seat 6: WSU Slacker ($655.20 in chips)
contriboy: posts small blind $2
Renton555: posts big blind $4

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Renton555 [Qd Qs]

WSU Slacker: raises $8 to $12
Nite54Ryder: folds
-GeT Loo$e-: raises $34 to $46
slothwear: folds
contriboy: folds
Renton555: calls $42
WSU Slacker: calls $34

*** FLOP *** [9c 9h 7d]

Renton555: checks
WSU Slacker: checks
-GeT Loo$e-: bets $105
Renton555:

stick it in

Pushy McPusherson.

so the fact that he's reraising a nit preflop shouldn't concern me?

Originally Posted by Renton

so the fact that he's reraising a nit preflop shouldn't concern me?

Is PFR of 12 all that nitty? What range do you put the nit on then? I still need some help with PT numbers.

Hmmm, in retrospect: He's probably reraising the nit with TT+, AQ+? Your cold call OOP preflop to him and a nit obviously means you have something golden. So with that in mind he's probably not calling a push with TT-JJ because he puts you on QQ+. Obviously not calling with AQ+. I wonder how EV it really is to shove? Call and see what he does on the turn maybe? Would he be the kind of guy to push the turn with TT-JJ on a blank?

I don't know what any of the above means but tere's my thoughts. Interpret as you wish.

I think pushing is BY FAR the worst thing you can do and would definately be -EV, I think it would be similar to 4 betting tens and jacks preflop. basically blowing all worse hands away. Even though its more than likely its you who has the worse hand here. If hes any good at hand reading he wil put you on 1010-QQ. Not to mention there is another guy to act behind.

Fold.

Originally Posted by Toadstool

Fold.

WTF? No.

To be a good player you really need to be able to make folds like this. Opponant likely knows what you've got, he bets into you and another person. More often than not he has AA/KK here. If i was opponant and I stacked Hero here with KK/AA I would add them to my buddy list.

No maybe its not that bad to not fold but I really cant see the merits of doing anything other than fold. Your hand may be good but if you shove hes not calling with AK.

If you choose not to fold then check/calling is better because it gives him a chance to try and blow you out of the pot if you are beating him.

Originally Posted by Renton

so the fact that he's reraising a nit preflop shouldn't concern me?

You don't get to 23/20 by being shy about three betting in those games, even against nits.

Nits can be easy to play against. UTG's hand looks like AK or TT-QQ. Most nits are so happy to finally see KK/AA that it's an instapush after you call. So don't worry about him.

I think CO's range is fairly wide; it could easily include mid-suited connectors and mid pairs or even any two depending on how well UTG plays postflop and how often he folds to a threebet preflop. Plus, CO is pretty much obligated to bet after the preflop action when checked to. He puts in a standard continuation bet, and you pretty much have to stick it in or fold. Calling isn't bad on that board, but it's fairly dry, you'll be pot committed after calling (so less likely to see a second barrel), and there are lots of scary turn and river cards. You figure to be ahead on the flop a lot.

If you are behind, tough cooler. It shouldn't be anethema to get it all in with a good hand.

Is it interesting that hero has 100BB while villains have 150BB and 200BB stacks respectively? Maybe you should have 4bet pre-flop?

What I don't like about this hand is that if you think the flop spot is bad, why cold-call pre? You can't play for set, this board likely whiffed everyone.

You hand is almost strong enough to just call the flop, but you are OOP so I guess you have to raise.

Anyone ever lead this flop 2/3 pot or so into 3 opponents then calling a shove from CO but folding a shove to the nit?

I don't like a push all that much on this board, I'm contemplating the profitability of a minraise and calling a push; or just check/calling down and folding if an overcard hits.

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

Anyone ever lead this flop 2/3 pot or so into 3 opponents then calling a shove from CO but folding a shove to the nit?

Why? Hero is almost never behind the nit. MP3 never has AA here and rarely has KK.

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

I don't like a push all that much on this board, I'm contemplating the profitability of a minraise and calling a push; or just check/calling down and folding if an overcard hits.

The pot is $348 after Hero calls and Hero is left with only $245 behind. I guess Hero could call the flop, but then on the turn AA, KK, and AK can and will play perfectly against him.

I think a minraise looks very strong in this spot and is no more likely to get action from AK, TT or JJ than a push. Also, Hero is pot committed at that point anyway, so he might as well get it all in.

To those of you saying push, why not call and let villain overplay JJ/1010. I assume villain would know he was beat to a C/R push

Seriously I think the worst thing you can do is push by quite a way.

toad, villain is calling a push with any two he's making that bet with.

Originally Posted by Renton

so the fact that he's reraising a nit preflop shouldn't concern me?

I'd be much more concerned that he is betting this flop after you called the 3-bet cold. Calling 3-bets cold like you did should send off warning bells. When someone does that you can easily put them on a very narrow range of hands and that flop helps none of them. Villian is either dumb or he has you beat IMO. No doubt you're ahead of WSU Slacker PF, but a large portion of his range is PPs and he is likely to check a boat/quads so you can't just totally ignore the fact that he's still in the hand.

Unless I had a read that villian is stupid enough to bet the flop with a hand worse than QQ or has otherwise been getting out of line, I'd fold.

waitaminit now, a solid lag player's gonna bet more than KK+ here to prevent us from making such a clear read on his range, right?