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NL400 6max: OESD rr Pot - your flopplay

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    Default NL400 6max: OESD rr Pot - your flopplay

    SB: $400.00
    BB: $195.25
    UTG: $452.00
    MP: $870.10
    CO: $400.00
    Hero (BTN): $465.70

    Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is BTN with J K
    3 folds, Hero raises to $12, SB raises to $40, 1 fold, Hero calls $28

    Flop: ($84.00) Q T 4 (2 players)
    SB bets $52.00, Hero ?

    Villain is a masstabling-preflopguy and have 20% 3bet vs steal from blinds (solid sample)
    His fold to 4bet is 50%

    Cbet stats is 64/50/50

    Pre is imo vs. his wide range just an easy mustcall - additional question:
    What would be the worst offsuite-Broadways whicvh you would call vs. him preflop and the best ones which you would fold or often vs. him Bluff4bet?

    The thing is that small raising here and going broke is for sure +ev:
    I would need vs. a reasonable range about 36% FEQ for such a play.
    For instance vs. a range like this:

    QQ+, TT, AdKd, AQs, AdJd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, KJs+, QJs, Td8d, 9d8d, 9d7d, 8d7d, AQo, KJo+, Qjo

    This is here imo realistic even though this board hits my perceived 3betcalingrange, I think b/c his startingrange is sooo super wide pre, he will cbet/Fold here enough.

    I just wonder if calling is not maybe even more +ev here b/c he will barell some improvements from me in a high freq. on the turn, especially on an ace.
    What you think?

    And if u like calling play at best, then what plan we should take on turn whan he bets standart 1/2 pot
    a)
    b)
    c)
    d)
    Last edited by fedoskin; 06-27-2011 at 02:02 PM.
  2. #2
    worst broadway i would call, not 4B probably ATo, QJo, KJo
    I like calling flop always (dont see much point in raising and get shoved on having K high, he can jam any Ax guttshot, esp if he 2barrels a lot, you can win his turn barrel by calling flop, jamming turn), and than usually folding on the turn to a bet. If we had Kd i can see us shipping the 3rd diamond turn, just because than we need less FE to justify a semibluff
  3. #3
    i think its unlikely he barrels here w/out v good equity, so i guess that means i like a float on flop

    i also think u should consider minraising btn when these guys are in the blinds, and consider 4betting a hand like this (this one is close, but like KTo) instead of the (lol weak range = snap call) just because it's gonna be pretty hard to play post w/out initiative in 3b pots (less so if u minraise though since pot will be smaller)

    on another note i like floating a smaller flop say Txx and shove this hand over many turns like 9, Q, or if our hand is sooted and we pickup a fd.

    /random thoughts

    keep posting this forum needs solid analysis like yours
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  4. #4
    as for the rest of ur questions ill try add more stuff tmr when i have some time
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  5. #5
    Agree with Alexos's thoughts on not flatting too wide pre without initiative.

    I think on the flop both raising and calling are EV+. I think i tend to go with a call on the flop with most of our range since we dont have that many strong made hands in our range.

    Interesting turn cards.
    I probably call everything the first two looking to bluff some rivers.
    Jc im not sure what i do, and Jd i fold. The J strengthens our range and his
  6. #6
    what is his bb flat frequency vs steal? if it is 0% then you need to be playing a tighter range than the one i outlined below, if it is something like 10-15% then my range works well.
    im calling something like K9o+ Q9o+ J9o+ A9o+ T9o+ pre for offsuitbways.

    on flop id float mostly, altho i agree that raise/call is +ev.
    id call both deuces and fold both jacks, however the Jc is kind of close mb
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